Anti Moore Nitwits, leave us alone.

First of all, I think Moore's docu wasn't all that great, nothing I hadn't seen before over the last few years and imho, a lil bit to focussed on Bush instead of all the other things that have gone awry over the last douzen of years. He should have made it a 4 hour docu and put in some detail and other important facts he left out.

The more experienced participant of sites like ATS totaly heard or saw nothing new in that docu. And if they went to see it, like me, came outside with the thought in their mind of, hrm, this smoking gun had a limp barrel ...

NOW, since that movie came out, there is a whole sludge of annoying flamers, that come out of the blue, remarking replys of experienced and intelligable users are based on and supportive to "your Moore God", saying they believe anything Moore said and bla bla bla.

Moore's movie is out for a few weeks and people think that every argument made about subjects covered by that movie, wich have been covered on ATS and other sites FOR YEARS, are all taken from Moore's movie and because of that, the people making the argument are Moore Lovers that don't know jack # and support Moore.

Moore showed and knows NOTHING compared to the things some people on ATS and other sites know and tell, people that have been into ATS topics for years and some even decades. Don't try to be a smartass and flame those people because some of the things they say sound alike what Moore said in his documentary.

Have some goddamn respect.

Saying these members got all their info out of Moore's movie is like saying an american citizen is getting all he/she knows about america out of a flyer on america in a travel agency in china.

I think it's our duty to treat these people with compassion and tenderness, thematrix. After all, it can't be easy when you're beloved president is proved to be not only a stupid, ignorant, lying, conniving drunkard - but to be in league with some very questionable people too! That would be enough to make anyone lose any shred of humour and good grace.

They attack Moore because they can't defend Dubya. They rant and rave because the facts are against them. They won't shut up because...

Well, they won't shut up because if they admit, for even a moment, that Bush is exactly as bad as we know he is, then the whole GOP house of cards will come crashing down.

It's a shame, really. We right-thinking people should all be more charitable.

Yes I agree, it seems many have found their Boogie Man with whom they can exploit as the ring leader of other peoples "paranoia", conveniantly forgetting the fact that many of us have been saying these things for a long time.

Originally posted by StrangeLands
They attack Moore because they can't defend Dubya. They rant and rave because the facts are against them.

On any discussion of bush that is not 100% supportive of the president the poster is subjected to a personal assault on his intelligence and character, as well as, a repetitive tirade of unsupported and unproven drivel that is suppose to be accepted as fact without question. Failure to accept the garbage which is spewed forth results in being called a 'moore lover', 'dead beat', socialist, communist, marxists or something along those lines. Being a libertarian of sorts, these remarks would be laughable at hearing them a couple times, but these message board storm troopers will not stop. I have come to believe they are very much a reflection of the bush administration, using threats, intimidation and slander as a way of doing business.

Reluctantly I have started using the "IGNORE FUNCTION" on the most vile of these brown shirts. I have already heard their propaganda more than enough times to understand their position. No form of discussion is possible with these people, without lowering yourself to their level of name calling and insults.

Several weeks ago my position was that I would not vote for either bush or kerry and would vote for the libertarian candidate as form of protest since I am not pleased with either candidate. However these attackers are swaying me into the Anybody-But-Bush camp, as I do not wish to tolerate 4 more years of thuggery from bush and his supporters.

I may hold my nose while doing it, but I am darn close to punching the kerry chad.
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Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right. We trash him because he is dead wrong. It's very simple. He is dead wrong, he is dragging people down into the darkness of ignorance with him, AND he is bad for America. Pro-Moore people are welcome to pretend otherwise, and to try to convince themselves that Bush is guilty of slander, when in fact it is Michael Moore who is slanderous. His whole film is slander and lies. Continue to pretend whatever you like ... Michael Moore is a liar and an idiot who is stealing the money of those who pay to see his ignorant propaganda.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right.

I do not even like moore. I support the right to keep and bear arms. Because I do not support bush, you wrongly assume I support moore. The problem is that bushies infer not liking bush is support for moore. Moore is running for nothing and does not merit all the lipservice being paid to him. Try promoting bush with reason instead of being attack dogs, it will serve your position better. Is the bush position so indefensible that this is all you can do?

Keep up the good work, your creating kerry voters with your tripe.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right. We trash him because he is dead wrong. It's very simple. He is dead wrong, he is dragging people down into the darkness of ignorance with him,

I have to disagree with this. I cannot comment on F911, haven't seen it. But I have seen his previous work. Is he self promoting? Yes. Does he skew things in a certain manner? Yes. The fact is that the ammo is there for him to use. The problem for the Right is that he's DAMN good at what he does. If he wasn't good at movie making, no one would go to see his films. Everyone would say "big deal, let him rant." However, the opposite is true and the only way to make the facts that he puts forth go away is to paint him a liar and propagandist. I don't think he is, I also don't take every word he says at face value. I have found that there is more truth there than propaganda though. 2 cents.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right. We trash him because he is dead wrong. It's very simple. He is dead wrong, he is dragging people down into the darkness of ignorance with him, AND he is bad for America. Pro-Moore people are welcome to pretend otherwise, and to try to convince themselves that Bush is guilty of slander, when in fact it is Michael Moore who is slanderous. His whole film is slander and lies. Continue to pretend whatever you like ... Michael Moore is a liar and an idiot who is stealing the money of those who pay to see his ignorant propaganda.

Did you even read my opening post before replying?

I don't give a bloody day in hell about it what Moore sais or did. What I'm saying is that when people post threads about topics like it, people should stop bitching at them for being Moore lovers and stuff like that.

Moore's movie is a few weeks old now. The members talking about these Moore like subjects have been around for ages and have been talking about these subjects for ages.

All those reply's to these people's threads and posts saying they are Moore lovers and get all their info from that movie is rediculous and has no grounds at all. If you'd just go over the board, talk on subjects like covered in F9/11 have been around for years before anyone even heard about Moore.

It just has to stop. If the only defence you have in a discussion covering the Bush administration, Iraq, Terrorisme, the NWO and other things like it, is saying that it relates to Moore's movie and Moore is unreliable, then your making an ass out of yourself, especialy when these reply's are done in threads and topics started before Moore's movie was even in the media. Or when these reply's come to new threads of people that have been partaking in discussions on these subjects way before Moore was in the picture.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Anti-Moore people don't trash Moore because he is right. We trash him because he is dead wrong. It's very simple.

Thanks for proving my point, FlyersFan. Y'know, it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic. How can you expect to be a credible, ignorance-denying member of ATS when you're still buying the crap pumped out by pro-Bush fanatics? This isn't about Moore, this is about page after page after page of evidence of Dubya's lies, stupidity and incomeptance. It's about thousands and thousands of examples of his staggering, breathtaking ignorance. It's about the fact he was handed the White House by the Supreme Court.

How many times does this need to be repeated before you open your eyes?

And I'll tell you something else. The people who have thousands of dollars invested in Halliburton have an excuse. The people who are officially or unofficially on the GOP payroll have an excuse. Even small-minded selfish bastards who only care how much of their money goes to the federal government have an excuse.

Unless one of those conditions applies to you, you're just stuck in a right-wing rut.

But hey, thanks for playing.

Originally posted by df1


I do not even like moore. I support the right to keep and bear arms.

Are you implying that Moore is against the right to bear arms? I don't know if you saw Bowling for Columbine, but Michael Moore is one hell of a gun-lover. Saying he isn't is like saying you really weren't paying attention during the movie.

Wow!

Good to know a nice reasonable discussion can be had.

I have been called a thug and a brownshirt in the same thread because of what I believe.


Bye Bye

True, the discussions that Moore brings up have been around since the first day GWB was made dictator by the supreme court. I haven't seen his new movie, but guess what? I bet I have made the same arguements Moore does. Maybe Moore comes to ATS?? Wouldn't that be a nice thought for all Bush Lovers?

Anti Bush Nitwits, leave us alone.

First of all, I think thematrix�s post wasn't all that great, nothing I hadn't seen before over the last few weeks and imho, a lil bit to focussed on Bush bashing instead of actually defending the film Moore made. He should have made it a little less insulting to other opinions that are not the same as his.

The more experienced participant of sites like ATS totally heard or saw nothing new in that post. And after they read it, they see, like me, that it is truly just another Bush bashing post like as are many others here, another smoking gun with a limp barrel ...

NOW, since that Michael Moore movie came out, there is a whole sludge of annoying flamers, that come out of the blue, remarking replies of experienced and intelligible users are based on and supportive to "your Bush God", saying they believe anything Bush said and bla bla bla.

Moore's movie is out for a few weeks and people think that every argument made against subjects covered by that movie, which have been covered on ATS and other sites FOR YEARS, are all taken from Bush sources and because of that, the people making the argument are bush Lovers that don't know jack and support Bush.

Moore showed and knows NOTHING compared to the things some people on ATS and other sites know and tell, people that have been into ATS topics for years and some even decades. Don't try to be a smartass and flame those people because some of the things they say against what Moore said in his documentary.

Have some respect.

Saying these members got all their info out of Administration sources is like saying an American citizen is getting all he/she knows about America out of a flyer on America in a travel agency in china.

Originally posted by Seth Bullock

You totaly missed what I said didn't you?

This thread was not intended to defend Moore or to review his movie.

It was to tell certain people on here that there is alot of discussions on ATS and other sites that have nothing to do with Moore's movie, but the only argument certain individuals seem to be able to make against it, is that the topic is started because of and in relation to Moore's movie.

What I said is that certain people give other people "Moore lover" and other remarks and flames in threads that have nothing to do with F9/11 or Moore, I didn't say anything about Bush lovers and other things.

If someone starts a topic on a subject like it, someone comes in jacking his neck about the movie Moore made, stating that the creator of the thread got all his info out of Moore's movie, while a rather good number of these people haven't even seen that movie.

Then, where the hell do you get that my thread is made for Bush bashing? I think I even said I think Moore's movie is a lil to much focussed on Bush instead of all the other things going on.

If your just trying to show the rest of us how you and your kind act. Don't bother, we already know, you can only use other people's words, twist them and spout out nonsence.

If your like that other guy up there that didn't even bother to read the thread right before replying, then "thank you, come again, next time better luck".


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No thematrix, I understood what you were saying very well.

Maybe you did not intend to support Moore and his film, but you are.
Maybe you think this is not a Bush bashing thread, but just read the responses.

Whether you got your info from Moore or Moveon.org, isn't the issue.

The issue is one of respect as you pointed out.

If I make a post about, say, WMDs was an intelligence problem not a lie, "your kind" would be the first to say "just a Bush lover citing party line bla bla bla".

Heres an example of exactly what I am talking about:

If your just trying to show the rest of us how you and your kind act. Don't bother, we already know, you can only use other people's words, twist them and spout out nonsence

So much for the respect I guess.

Ok, 3 things:

1: I don't support Moore's movie and stated in my opening thread that I think hes focussing on the wrong subjects.

2: I didn't say anything about Bush, except that Moore foccusses on him to much.

3: Respect for someone else opinion is replying to their threads with supported information. Not just calling people names or saying they got their info from some movie you don't like.

I have respect for everyone who partakes in a conversation and backs up his claims.

I have no respect for people who twist other people's words, who read things that aren't there (hrm, so I support Moore you say ... while I said I don't) and most definalty I HATE THE #ING GUTS of people who try to turn threads into something they aren't, just what you are trying to do.

Just earlyer today I saw someone ask for info about a certain image in a book. He or she asked about a certain images presence in a book. Instead of replying yes or no, certain individuals attacked the asker about being an antisemetic person and for looking conspiracy's about Zionisme where there aren't(according to the replyer).

The asker did not ask for a page full reply with insults and zionist propaganda, the asker only asked about 1 specific image, with description, if it was there or not.

I totally agree with the poster of this tread.
Nice to see this pointed out.
Still some people insist on being blind, they just refuse to see what they don�t want to see. Open your eyes. Think. Don�t be ignorant. "If you don�t agree with this guy, then you must agree with that guy". This agenda, that agenda etc., etc. The world is not black and white.
BTW, You�re talking bullocks Bullock...

Originally posted by thematrix
The members talking about these Moore like subjects have been around for ages and have been talking about these subjects for ages.

I had to nit pick but youve repeated this same sentiment several times, and I cant help but think your trying to lump yourself in this group.

Now the second part about this sentence is true. These subjects have been around for a very long time and have had a lot more in depth discussion.

Its easier for a moore hater to pick apart him rather than address the questions poised prior to the movie. This behavior isnt so prevalent in the WOT forum discussing 9/11. I would speculate that if you took Moore out of the equation the traffic would be cut in half. His name just buts a giant bullseye on a thread.

When the questions of 9/11 are rehashed and dumbed down for the public and the director may or may not have misrepresented the truth then you open up this can of worms.

It only goes to show that you reap what you sow. This whole forum shouldnt exist.

Yeah, sorry, wording things isn't my best of abilities, especily not when agitated and in a language that is not my own, actualy, not in dutch or french either

Originally posted by thematrix
Yeah, sorry, wording things isn't my best of abilities, especily not when agitated and in a language that is not my own, actualy, not in dutch or french either

No worries, your opening post was elequent enough to drive home a good point.