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The dog that didn't bark: Because the Enemy was known.

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posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 03:16 AM
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I found this article to be an interesting and unique thought concerning the events of 9-11 and 'What Really Happened'. It looks at the details of the Terrorist Attack in terms of 'What happened' and also 'What didn't happen' and 'Why'. While on it's own it is not enough, but along with the other pieces of the puzzle makes for power evidence that '9-11 was known' by many who both then and now claim ignorance about what happened that day.

They use an example of a Sherlock Holmes Mystery to better explain the 'Logic' behind the process of thinking which is involved, which is:


The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" deducing that it is the owner of the house who is the criminal. How does he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only criminal who could could carry out the crime and not arouse the dog was a criminal the dog already knew as a friend, the dog's owner.


Now, apply that to what we know was happening at the time of the attack.

Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory nobody could have known how many there are or if more planes were not in the process of being hijacked. How could they? Two of the planes had crashed into the World Trade Center. There is an airport only four miles from Booker Elementary School, and Bush's presence at the school was known to the public 24 hours in advance. Nobody would have assumed he was not a target.

And yet the President's Secret Service Detail did not rush in and remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with so many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the President's Secret Service Detail did nothing. The dog did not bark.


Take it a step further, and ask yourself why was the President allowed to even proceed after the first crash? Most will say because it was not known to be an attack yet. To me that is just weak justification, but as they say hindsight is 20/20 so debating that excuse now is pointless.

However, even after the second plane hit, the President is allowed to sit there. Now, according to their story they had no idea what was happening. Yet that also means they didn't know how many planes might be under the control of Terrorist. Or that there could be a car bomb or something already at or speeding toward the school. Or any other possible danger that might harm the President, yet they don't do anything to secure his safety. It does stand to reason that the reason they did not worry about such a thing, is because they already knew he would not be attacked. Yet, it was publicly known in advance that the President would be at that school, so how could they have known such an attack would not take place there?

If nothing else this should at least make people 'Think'!!! Also, it should make people question just 'Who' & 'How Many' people either Knew what was going to happen or conveniently had their Backs Turned, which allowed for it to happen. Keep in mind, when a Fight has been Fixed, it is pulled off by one Boxer 'Intentionally Dropping his Guard and Allowing a Punch'. It would be too obvious to just fall down or knock yourself out, but lowering your guard looks very real when done right. IMO, the events of 911 were not even a convincing example of 'Throwing a Fight' in the slightest way, yet there are many people who were totally convinced.

Here is the Full Article that I site in this post:
www.whatreallyhappened.com...




posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 03:24 AM
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Yea, I don't buy that President didn't know what was happening story. Literally, all of the country knew it was a terrorist attack while it was happening. What are the chances that two planes would have mysteriously crash landed around the same place. I'm pretty sure there was radio communication with the first plane, but I'm not certain. But anyway, that is a very interesting point to bring up.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 03:42 AM
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You guys have TOO much time on your hands to just sit around and pray to your GOD Michael Moore!!!!
Has it ever crossed your mind that there are a couple of reasons this information was handled with utmost care???
1. You don't freak out in front of kids - Period. End of story.
2. As the President, you are expected to act in a manner of control and dignity at all times.

There are also some other reasons to not feel that the President was in any immediate danger. You need to check your facts about the airport in Sarasota. If you check the flight status for 9/11 you will see that all flights were cancelled for 2 hours prior to the Pres' visit. There is a 25 mile no-fly zone around the President at ALL Times when not excorted by military jets so they had to cancel flights because of the airport's close proximity. This has been standard security procedure since since 1999. They would immediately know if someone crossed that line and be able to get out.
Do you really think President Bush would have solved the whole thing by dropping to his knees and crying in front of the children??? What did you expect him to do?? Obviously there was something awful in the world going on but the Pres. is smart enough to know what he can control and what he cannot.
Michael Moore is very good at telling only half the truth. He is an entertainer, that's all!!! So, just like any other entertainer he is pretty much politically inept.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:02 AM
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drop to his knees and cry? no that will happen in november. as for the "noflyzone" was the pentagon in a no fly zone? we were "under attack" right? maybe, just maybe , when someone attacks you, they throw in a cheap shot, ya know? maybe they didnt give a crap about the "no flyzone" where was flight 93 going? i think the best thing to do would be to politely "bow out" and then get the hell out of there and back to washington. or you could just sit there and read with the kiddies and hold your book upside down. oh and as for "never freaking out the kids..never.." im sure every single one of them saw the news that night....hope me and mr. moore see you at the ballots in november...ill bring the tissues..



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:17 AM
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If you check the flight status for 9/11 you will see that all flights were cancelled for 2 hours prior to the Pres' visit. There is a 25 mile no-fly zone around the President at ALL Times when not excorted by military jets so they had to cancel flights because of the airport's close proximity. This has been standard security procedure since since 1999.


First of all, the point was not about how Bush carried himself in front of the kids. The point is that the Secret Service didn't think Bush was in a danger to be removed from the school. That has nothing to do with freaking out. As well, there is also a limit in altitude for planes when they are flying, whether it be city or rural. Plus, the planes that were hijacked were going in the wrong direction. Just because they cancel flights doesn't mean other planes won't fly down to the Pres's location. In addition, if the military jets didn't shoot down the other planes, would they have shot down one in Florida. The planes would have to take off still once they realised the plane was coming into the radius, I doubt there would have been enough time between the communication, taking off, and shooting the craft.

I am getting the picture that everytime someone tries to find the truth about 9/11 you will call them Moore worshippers. Yea, I've never seen those tactics before. Label them something petty and extremist so they will stay in line with the official story. The sheep policing the herd. I cannot even tell you how angry people like you who pass extremist labels make me. Someone doesn't agree with Israel's policy, call them a Jew-hater. Someone doesn't believe in affirmative action, call them racist or prejudice. Why don't you stick to searching for the truth?

EDIT: I cut out a big section of what I said because I don't think you can handle the truth about what you are saying cccchunt.

[edit on 3-7-2004 by Jamuhn]



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by cccchunt
You guys have TOO much time on your hands to just sit around and pray to your GOD Michael Moore!!!!
Has it ever crossed your mind that there are a couple of reasons this information was handled with utmost care???
1. You don't freak out in front of kids - Period. End of story.
2. As the President, you are expected to act in a manner of control and dignity at all times.

There are also some other reasons to not feel that the President was in any immediate danger. You need to check your facts about the airport in Sarasota. If you check the flight status for 9/11 you will see that all flights were canceled for 2 hours prior to the Pres' visit. There is a 25 mile no-fly zone around the President at ALL Times when not escorted by military jets so they had to cancel flights because of the airport's close proximity. This has been standard security procedure since since 1999. They would immediately know if someone crossed that line and be able to get out.
Do you really think President Bush would have solved the whole thing by dropping to his knees and crying in front of the children??? What did you expect him to do?? Obviously there was something awful in the world going on but the Pres. is smart enough to know what he can control and what he cannot.
Michael Moore is very good at telling only half the truth. He is an entertainer, that's all!!! So, just like any other entertainer he is pretty much politically inept.


Well, first of all I don't see how Micheal Moore has anything to do with this other than the fact that his movie was mentioned in the article as being one of the many sources that show the video of the President in the school on 911. Neither Moore or his movie have anything to do with this however, since the footage of Bush listening to stories about Goats in a classroom on 911 have been available and have been seen by just about everyone a long time ago. Therefor your opinions about Moore, whatever they may be, are totally irrelevant to the current discussion and do nothing for your argument except to show how easily sidetracked from the Main Idea you became once any mention of him was made.

Second, nobody said Bush had to freak out or start crying about what to do either. Such a reaction was never implied or even mentioned by anyone other that you. While those types of remarks may work with the other kiddies on the playground, they are useless to anyone here at ATS who try and discuss their ideas seriously.

The President, knowing of the first crash before even entering the school could have left without even meeting the kids. Instead, he chose to put himself exactly in a situation where he would have to act as if nothing was wrong so as not to scare the children. How appropriate don't you think? Makes for a valid excuse for why The President was unable to react during an Emergency.

Third, the No Fly Zone doesn't mean much when you have planes already in the air that you've lost communication with and have no control over. Obviously they were able to hit the WTC Twice and even the Pentagon without anyone doing anything about it, so what makes you think they couldn't have done the same to that school?

Who said they even needed a plane in the first place? Remember, they had no idea what was happening according to their story. If that is true, then they had no way of knowing what was going to happen or how or where or when. Or did they? If they did, it would explain why it was that during all the chaos, members of our Government simply sat around like a bunch of 'bumps on a log' instead of finding out what the hell was happening. But then again, that is assuming that they didn't already know and were just 'Acting' Incompetent. IMO, I don't know which is worse. Knowing and Acting Dumb, or actually being that Dumb & Incompetent for real.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:49 AM
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Ah, the youth of America. Someday theyll be in charge. Luckily Ill have Alzheimers by then.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:51 AM
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As I recall, they moved him around like a hot potato and no one knew where he was for some number of hours, once he left the school and got back in the air, that is. It just doesn't make sense to me that if they knew what was going down that they would start out by blatantly doing nothing, comfortable in their knowledge, and then, AFTER the cat is out of the bag, PRETEND to be securing his safety by hustling him about such as they did.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 04:54 AM
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Everyone knew what was happening when two planes collided around the same place. That definitely equated to some form of attack.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by cccchunt
Ah, the youth of America. Someday theyll be in charge. Luckily Ill have Alzheimers by then.



Obviously you have Alzheimer's already or perhaps some other brain abnormality which has blocked you from any kind of objective thinking.

Judging by my thinning and ever increasing gray hair, which for some time has even started growing from my ears as well, I hardly consider myself being 'The Youth of America' either. So you might try directing your erroneous assumptions elsewhere, or simply abandon them.

Being that you consider yourself to be Filled with Wisdom of the Ages, does however help explain why things have eroded to the point they are in now. Sure, it's difficult to admit to yourself that you've been duped into living a life built on lies, but we all must do it eventually if we plan on correcting the situation we're in and the direction we're going.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 06:56 AM
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Actually there was supposedly a group of young middle eastern men who showed up where Bush was staying in Florida and insisted on seeing Bush that morning and even insisted they had an appointment to see him, they were turned away and not detained at all by the secret service, they were allowed to leave once they were informed they did not have an appointment and not questioned further. Now imagine you decide to go see the President at 6 am and not only do so in a commanding manner but insist you have a non-existent appointment. I think you know where this is going, of course you would be detained and questioned and probably locked away for a good amount of time. It makes sense that with that knowledge that the two planes had been flown into the twin towers that it was very possible that there would be an attack on Bush himself, his schedule was well known and yet for 7 minutes after full knowledge that it was a terrorist attack they just sit there in that school and read a book. For seven minutes they just did nothing. Now at the very least all the republicans out there instead of defending this stupidty you should be concerned for your leaders safety, he was a target sitting in the middle of a school full of children what about their safety. You know its scary to think how inept those people were behaving that morning



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
First of all, the point was not about how Bush carried himself in front of the kids. The point is that the Secret Service didn't think Bush was in a danger to be removed from the school.


Good point. 2 planes hit the Trade Towers in what would then appear to be a coordinated attack, and the Secret Service don't deem the president to be in any danger? Or if they do, allow him to remain in a school potentially putting hundreds of children at risk?



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 09:32 AM
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Was he evacuated after the first plane hit?
I can understand if they didnt evacuate after the first one hit, it seems an unrelated incident, we only know it's a terrorist attack with hindsight. They might have thought it was just a plane getting lost and crashing, or they may not have had very good details at the time or something.. Consider that



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by browha
Was he evacuated after the first plane hit?
I can understand if they didnt evacuate after the first one hit, it seems an unrelated incident, we only know it's a terrorist attack with hindsight. They might have thought it was just a plane getting lost and crashing, or they may not have had very good details at the time or something.. Consider that


Nope. The first hit happened on his way to the school. Then the second one hit while sitting in the classroom.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 10:02 AM
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From what Ive read when Bush took off in Air Force One he was without Fighter escort, I think, if I remember correctly for up to an hour, and this also is not the norm.

[edit on 3-7-2004 by Sauron]



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Sauron
From what Ive read when Bush took off in Air Force One he was without Fighter escort, I think, if I remember correctly for up to an hour, and this also is not the norm.

[edit on 3-7-2004 by Sauron]


Yah, I heard about that too. Supposedly this is a link that shows the Take Off of Air Force One from the Airport in Florida, with no protection or escort or anything. It's in RealPlayer so I don't know for sure, but check it out if you'd like.

www.AttackOnAmerica.net...



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 10:56 PM
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Nope, browha, he was informed of the first plane hit on his way to school. A second plane hit in the middle of class. His aids, staff, and secret service had constant links with various agencies from the FAA and so on. It was very well known. He continued to listen to a story about goats for quite some time after. Then he went into another room, and started talking to some people, then he left.


And yes, a van full of Middle eastern men Pulled up asking for an interview with the president.

www.longboatobserver.com...

The same van was spotted later in the day, with men screaming down with Bush. Middle easterners.

www.cooperativeresearch.net...:10am-11:50pm%2011%20Sept%202001

See above link for a total timeline of the day of 9/11.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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I found this to be one detailed timeline as well.
www.911timeline.net...

I first came upon the one skadi posted but had some trouble with it for some reason, which is when I came upon this other one. I'm not sure which one has more details since I haven't compared the two but if skadi's is like the one above, it will end up being more info than you'll probably ever have use for and one long read if you plan to do it all at once.



posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 11:56 PM
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Thans for the link. Clicked my link, it worked for me. But it does get screwy a bit sometimes.

Ill add you link to my 9/11 archives



posted on Jul, 4 2004 @ 12:05 AM
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Just one question....anybody here knows about the procedures of the secret service?

Anyone worked for the secret service and knows first hand what the procedure is?.......no?....... Already then..........

You can make all the brainstorming you want, in the end I am pretty sure none of you know what was in their minds and what they should have done or shouldn't have done, everything else is just speculation.

Have you thought that perhaps when they found out, after the second plane hit, that there could be other planes and they could target airforce 1? or that there was a possibility of other terrorists, if they knew by then it was a terrorist act, that could be watching the president and ready to do something? Did that cross your minds?....oh but wait....its easier to think that they knew everything about it and allowed it to happen.......



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