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An unheard of law suit has started in Petersburg: for the first time in Russia archeologists are sued for having found valuable cultural sites and refusal to approve their destruction.
The finds in question are the Swedish fortresses Nyenschantz and Landskrone and an Old Russian fortress dating back to the Neva Battle on Okhta Cape (13th century). The remains of these fortresses are among the major obstacles for building of the Gazprom skyscraper.
It was considered that the fortresses had been destroyed during the reign of Peter I, but the head of archeological expedition Peter Sorokin found out that they had remained surprisingly well. So he refused to sign the certificates for building construction. Now the f building owner accuses archeologists of default on the contract.
Vasily Nefedov, the employee of Archeology Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences told about the unprecedented process in an interview for Gazeta.Ru: "It is unheard-of barbarity to destroy such a great monument. There is nothing of the kind in this entire region. Let them construct their "gas-scraper" in some other place! It is clear that they want in their own way to join this history that counts hundreds of years, and place a symbol of their grandeur in this strategically important point. If the community complies with it, it will be so".
edit on 7-12-2010 by acrux because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by candiedrobot
As an aspiring archaelogist, this just kind of makes me sick. :/ Disgusting.
Originally posted by ArchaeologyUnderground
Originally posted by candiedrobot
As an aspiring archaelogist, this just kind of makes me sick. :/ Disgusting.
Unfortunately, things like this happen more and more every day, and not just on the other side of the world. There is a dark side to CRM archaeology that those outside of the discipline usually aren't aware of.
More often than not, it's not the fault of the archaeologists, but they/we often find their/our hands tied by so much ridiculous red tape bureaucracy that it would make any politician blush.
Yes I am a professional archaeologist/anthropologist and university professor. Feel free to ask any questions you might have!
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I wouldn't say it's the bureaucracy, I'd say it's the contract archaeologists that want to attract a name among developers for playing a little loose. To them, I direct the Warrior Society.
OK, then...what jurisdiction do you work in, and what 'red tape' do you see as problematic? Not a challenge, just interested in the particulars.edit on 30-12-2010 by JohnnyCanuck because: clarity
Originally posted by ArchaeologyUnderground
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I wouldn't say it's the bureaucracy, I'd say it's the contract archaeologists that want to attract a name among developers for playing a little loose. To them, I direct the Warrior Society.
This can certainly be the case, but this would usually fall to the signatory contractor, or 'head' of a CRM firm, not the 'contract archaeologists', who are the workers. Every licensed archaeologist in North America, as far as I know, is an independent or dependent contractor (dependent if they work exclusively for one client).
In fact, there are several areas of North America where these groups are known to cause a great deal of problems for archaeologists trying to establish the 'facts' of a site with some degree of scientific rigor.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I remain curious as to where you see the shortcomings in the 'red tape'...aside from no money and understaffing in the government, which can hold up matters. And feel free to retain your anonymity...I do.
Originally posted by jimmyx
you people are shocked?...c'mon, making money trancends all other considerations. the wealthy and powerful really don't care about anything other than accumilation and preservation of wealth. how many decades of this do people have to live through, before they accept it as fact?
Originally posted by candiedrobot
As an aspiring archaelogist, this just kind of makes me sick. :/ Disgusting.
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by candiedrobot
As an aspiring archaelogist, this just kind of makes me sick. :/ Disgusting.
You will be further disgusted (trust me) at the number of digs where you have to rush in and get everything out fast. Occasionally (in places where there's looters who will kill dig teams) you have to use backhoes. It's heartbreaking.
Paleontology teams are in the same position. We had to have someone sleep on site (in the middle of Dallas) with a gun and dogs to protect a croc as we dug it up.
Originally posted by KritikalMass
profits trump history.