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Originally posted by Bicent76
reply to post by masqua
In general secrecy is not good for growth, yet we are talking about diplomacy, we are talking about saving lives in making deals that may not make sense to conventional wisdom for all. We are not discussing politicians stealing tax payers money to pay for hookers or what have you, and covering it up... Its pretty black and white no broad strokes here it what is right and wrong and with wiki leaks actions towards diplomatic aspects of our country with others. Quite frankly we do not need to know the aspects of how we win over relationships that may threaten our lives each and everyday. We do not need to read nor does the world need to see the art in eloquence of intelligence it takes people to maintain stability in this world. Yet I totally understand the context of opinion yet at the same time I don't see anything good when comes to secrecy with wiki leaks and citizens of the WORLD, if anything their will be even more secrecy, due to mistrust.edit on 7-12-2010 by Bicent76 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by buddhasystem
The comparison is utterly invalid, since neither Assange nor Wikileaks are responsible for the removal of this data that they share from its original location, nor its arrival at their door.
They are merely a place where people who believe that the world has a right to know what they know, can make that happen.
WikiLeaks has published a secret U.S. diplomatic cable listing places the United States considers vital to its national security, prompting criticism that the website is inviting terrorist attacks on American interests.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the disclosure "gives a group like al Qaeda a targeting list." The sites are included in a lengthy cable the State Department sent in February 2009 to its posts around the world, asking American diplomats to identify installations overseas "whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security, and/or national and homeland security of the United States."
The diplomats identified dozens of places on every continent, including mines, manufacturing complexes, ports and research establishments. CNN is not publishing specific details from the list, which refers to pipelines and undersea telecommunications cables as well as the location of minerals or chemicals critical to U.S. industry.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by TrueBrit
He has catagoricaly requested that a US representative, come to the Wikileaks headquaters and go through the planned releases, to see if there is anything more that could be done to remove names, and other information which could lead to the deaths of either american operatives, spies, military units and so on.
I see. How nice. Let's say a burglar steals a bunch of stuff from your house, that doesn't belong to him at all. Then, he magnanimously offers for you to come over and collect things of sentimental value, while still keeping the hoard.
a thief removes your property from you apartment and decides to donate it to Assange. Assange didn't take part in the act of burglary but now he's an accomplice because he'll do with your belongings as he himself sees fit. He's an accomplice and co-conspirator.
Originally posted by gringoboy
Assange is assandwiched away from a lassagne or being assanginated,is he his worst own enemy ,this is totally amusing to watch ,i mean more reason for internet policies banning provocative agendas.Trust me this name is a headliner for any journo !Well done the net will be closed shortly for national security reasons.Enough said.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by buddhasystem
a thief removes your property from you apartment and decides to donate it to Assange. Assange didn't take part in the act of burglary but now he's an accomplice because he'll do with your belongings as he himself sees fit. He's an accomplice and co-conspirator.
It's kind of like finding something you(American people) never knew we owned.
Americans allow the government to do what it does, therefore...we own the cables and it's nice to see what my employees in Washington have been up to.
Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by buddhasystem
Look a little further into it, that's outdated info and pretty much readily availabe to somebody who did some digging. And who is going to use that against us?
Give us a scenario, in which a terrorist is going to make it past the security at any facility that truly is vital to our interests?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Check this out:
WikiLeaks has published a secret U.S. diplomatic cable listing places the United States considers vital to its national security, prompting criticism that the website is inviting terrorist attacks on American interests.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the disclosure "gives a group like al Qaeda a targeting list." The sites are included in a lengthy cable the State Department sent in February 2009 to its posts around the world, asking American diplomats to identify installations overseas "whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security, and/or national and homeland security of the United States."
The diplomats identified dozens of places on every continent, including mines, manufacturing complexes, ports and research establishments. CNN is not publishing specific details from the list, which refers to pipelines and undersea telecommunications cables as well as the location of minerals or chemicals critical to U.S. industry.
If this is not helping and abating the enemies of the US, I don't know what is.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Please... I'm not going to chew it up for you, how the enemy may want to sabotage underwater cables and vital mineral extraction facilities...
Originally posted by infinite
Update: WikiLeaks has no current plans to release encryption code for remaining U.S. cables, sources tell Guardian http://(link tracking not allowed)/g1IP0w
Originally posted by Willbert
Check out what? The US is so gullible that they would allow info on these to go through wires that anyone can access on their network?
It was an open network to all employed by the government. And those employed are your everyday Jack and Jill who could use that info any way they wish.
Why do I not hear from you about how they failed in keeping it secure
Originally posted by freesprite
too bad his defeat is in vain since you guys are too pussy to do anything about this. Looks like the world will go into a downward spiral until some later generation will STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES since you guys wont
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Check this out:
WikiLeaks has published a secret U.S. diplomatic cable listing places the United States considers vital to its national security, prompting criticism that the website is inviting terrorist attacks on American interests.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the disclosure "gives a group like al Qaeda a targeting list." The sites are included in a lengthy cable the State Department sent in February 2009 to its posts around the world, asking American diplomats to identify installations overseas "whose loss could critically impact the public health, economic security, and/or national and homeland security of the United States."
The diplomats identified dozens of places on every continent, including mines, manufacturing complexes, ports and research establishments. CNN is not publishing specific details from the list, which refers to pipelines and undersea telecommunications cables as well as the location of minerals or chemicals critical to U.S. industry.
If this is not helping and abating the enemies of the US, I don't know what is.