Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange Arrested in London

Originally posted by Subjective1
First of all there shouldn't even be a need for thgose things, but ok that is an ideal world i am talking about and we don't live in an ideal world.
But still my answer is yeas, if governments want to work together and make this world a better place, like the say the want to do then the should.
In politics there shouldn't be secrets, we are talking about the fate of the #ing world man!
You really want to fudge it up because you need toe keep secrets from eachother?
If your answer is yes on that, then that would be the saddest thing I have read online this week..

I agree...living in a ideal world where everyone loves everyone would be great...woot.

now back to reality.
typically people are working for a less aggressive world...but, the first step is to understand the world you live in. only by being a realist can you expect to get anything done.
Once that understanding is achieved...then you start to use what is known as diplomacy.
undermining diplomacy as a concept serves only to move away from the idealistic peace camp earth. America was pretty much xenophobic until world war 2 (we sort of had a slightly begruding hand in WW1..fairly minimal though). the world pre 1940s was -not- a happy hand holding earth...it was warlike, destructive, and venomous.

to ignore the reality of the world...especially in todays age where its no longer a fleet of small airplanes they send over but rather nuclear missiles that could hit the shores, is extremely dangerous for the continued existance of this or any other nation.

Diplomacy must be allowed to flourish if there will be any chance of survival.

Secrets is part of diplomacy

Crimes are -not- part of diplomacy and should be exposed...however, it is also equally ignorant to think that there will not be some crimes by all parts during this primitive time in society trying to slowly work together...end of the day, human nature is human nature.

Not really, one is about personal privacy and the other is about national and international politics.
A GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE OPEN TO ALL!
Everybody needs to know what his or her country is doing, the world should know what every government is doing. Only then can there be trust between people and government, governments and governments, countries and countries and people and people.
So no it is not the same.

Yeah, we should tell the Taliban, Al Qaida, the Chinese, and especially the North Koreans exactly what we are doing. Then we would have no more need for spies, diplomats or even the U.N. All we need is a good supply of hydrogen bombs.

Free and open society??

My freakin spotty, pimpley jewish arse it is!

I hope wiki go nuclear on the bastards.

The criminal ptb dont like the truth it seems.

Right and prophetic was Orwell when he said that there would be a time when telling the truth would be a radical act.

And here we are!

Go wiki!

Bury the bastards with the truth!

Could someone inform me about the prediction of wikileaks now? Are we going to get new information? Massive cover up info and the such? Or is this official shut down due to this guy getting caught? I say bite the cynaide pill.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
If Wikileaks filtered what they were sending out, and only dropping actual crimes, I think the division on this would be minimal..but they are publishing secrets. Secrets that have no actual consequence beyond creating a unstable diplomatic environment.

Again..if there is crimes, expose them, shine a bright light on it for the world to see...but a secret of how someone thinks of another, or other such nonsense...its unnecessary and simply stupid. This guy, and wikileaks, is not some heroic organization..however, they are not committing treason either..they are just exercising one part light shining with 10 parts bad form.

Creating an "unstable diplomatic environment" for the United States effects our relationship with other countries, some of which may be critical to our national interests and national defense. Therefore, the actions of Wikileaks, by extension, are a threat to the national defense of the United states.

Assange and his co-conspirators are not U.S. citizens, and therefore cannot be accused of having committed treason. However, since they have illegally obtained and further transmitted sensitive and classified U.S. information, they have violated the U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 793, which is U.S. law regarding acts of espionage. Therefore, the actions of Assage and his supporters allow the U.S. government to classify them as spies.

There is absolutely nothing in any of this data itself of any significance, a la The Pentagon Papers, that would justify this irresponsible mass-release of sensitive information. I seriously hope that Obama and his cronies cure themselves of their acute cranial-rectal inversion and start treating this situation as a threat to national security and start referring to these people as spies, which is exactly what they are.

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Not really, one is about personal privacy and the other is about national and international politics.
A GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE OPEN TO ALL!
Everybody needs to know what his or her country is doing, the world should know what every government is doing. Only then can there be trust between people and government, governments and governments, countries and countries and people and people.
So no it is not the same.

Yeah, we should tell the Taliban, Al Qaida, the Chinese, and especially the North Koreans exactly what we are doing. Then we would have no more need for spies, diplomats or even the U.N. All we need is a good supply of hydrogen bombs.

That whole situation you use to make your point started because of the fact we are not straight with each other.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Quick rebuttal that will make you think differently.

Should the government post exactly where all missile facilities are around the world?
Should the government post n the internet their passwords to all their databases so everyone can log in?
Should the government list the names, addresses, and pictures of every single agent going in bad areas to see whats going on with hostile regimes?

secrets are often kept for a reason that has no business in the public environment..part of the constitution of the united states of america requires government to protect us from enemies, both foreign and domestic. a stupidly open society would immediately be overrun and destroyed. The world is not a hippy commune where there is only 1 bad guy.

You're taking things to extremes. Most reasonable people are demanding responsible transparency and not reckless behavior. There should be a mechanism in place that allows for a review of those HIRED to represent certain positions to make sure they are in fact doing what they are getting paid to do. It's a trust relationship thing. People just want to know that their government is not out of control.

Do you tell your boss he/she has no right to read your emails or snoop on you? You don't protest because you agreed to the terms of employment. If you, as an employee, are misrepresenting the company, your boss has the right to reprimand or fire you. Period. The government are employees of the people hired to represent their country. They also have terms of employment.

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That's a great point, but the ruling of the Supreme Court on the Pentagon Papers issue, states otherwise. Nixon tried to use the Espionage Act to trump the Constitution in that scenario, and the Supreme Court said it does not trump the Constitution which guarantees freedom of the press and no limits on it, Top Secret or not. So no law on the books can override the first amendment, meaning there is no case according to the Supreme Court. Legal precedent FTW.

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In germany there's a 'saying' for people like you:

"Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal die Fresse halten"

which translates roughly to:

If you do not know what you are talking about, just shut up.

You may want to research the whole case and make yourself an opinion an not just copy someone else's

Was hast du erwartet er ist ein du weist shöne.
Excuse the spelling, german isn't my 1st language, neither is english for that matter.

shut up hitler wanabe quit telling people to shut up

Who am I telling to shut up?

va la cogida su perra de mierda de la madre de la mamá

No need to start name calling man, now you are just being sad.
What are we in gradeschool?

It has been a play for the fools, the public secrets to become a reality.

World, Have Your Say

BBC ongoing discussion On Mr. Assange, Wikileaks and whether or not it's good or bad.
Have a listen.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by Cablespider

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Quick rebuttal that will make you think differently.

Should the government post exactly where all missile facilities are around the world?
Should the government post n the internet their passwords to all their databases so everyone can log in?
Should the government list the names, addresses, and pictures of every single agent going in bad areas to see whats going on with hostile regimes?

secrets are often kept for a reason that has no business in the public environment..part of the constitution of the united states of america requires government to protect us from enemies, both foreign and domestic. a stupidly open society would immediately be overrun and destroyed. The world is not a hippy commune where there is only 1 bad guy.

You're taking things extremes. Most reasonable people are demanding responsible transparency and not reckless behavior. There should be a mechanism in that allows a review of those HIRED to represent certain positions to make sure they are in fact doing what they are getting paid to do. It's a trust relationship thing. People just want to know that their government is not out of control.

Do you tell your boss he/she has no right to read your emails or snoop on you? You don't protest because you agreed to the terms of employment. If you, as an employee, are misrepresenting the company, your boss has the right to reprimand or fire you. Period. The government are employees of the people hired to represent their country. They also have terms of employment.

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So wanting to life in an open, honest good world is taking things to the extreme?
Well call me extreme then.

Originally posted by realitydiscovered
It has been a play for the fools.

It has been a great play hasn't it?
I am still wating for the martercard to be played.

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Human beings shouldnt be competing like that in hopes of others failing. That's what creates bitter divisions, hatred, and war. All that time and energy should be spent working together, for the good of ALL humanity. What a thought, huh? If we all worked together, we could be colonizing other planets, and making huge strides in our evolution. But instead, all of our resources are wasted on finding new and exciting ways to kill each other. We're doomed to extinction if this mindset continues. We don't fight with sticks and stones anymore...

Originally posted by Misoir
RussiaToday: WikiLeaks damage to US foreign policy colossal according to political scientist Timothy Colton.

You know, if the people in political office weren't such bastards, there wouldn't be any "colossal" damage to foreign policy. The lack of transparency in this administration, and others around the world, is ominous. The type of person who is honest has no need for opaque political policy. The type of person who is dishonest makes every attempt to hide his actions.

It's common sense. Or didn't they teach that in "political science"?

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It was bound to happen due to the security reasons, as long as he was running away his life would have been in danger.

Now I wonder how long before he commits suicide while in custody



In America is not such thing as "political assassinations" is call, "suicide and accidents"