This is global cooling not warming

Not in all my life have i ever seen such cold weather here in Worcester UK. Back when i was a child 3C was cold, thats all we ever got, 3c and a sprinkling of snow every year.

This year we had the biggest lot of snow for 18 years, and in Jan we had the most snow in 80 years in Worcester.

The forecaste for today

news.bbc.co.uk...

Thats right folks at 12 in the afternoon its -6 outside.

Not a big deal?

It is when all youve ever known is temperatures around 3-6c in the winter for all your life.

Something isnt right

ok.

quick experiment
take some water..boil it...watch the steam come off of it

now, imagine what happens when that steam gets cold...massive snowfall, bitter cold.

during a warming earth, water gets warmer...making more precipitation...aka, steam..go into the atmosphere.
then the earth gets cooler during winter and suddenly, you have a massive snowfall...yes...your right, the climate seems to be destablizing..it goes crazy.

this has and is the outlaying of a warming planet...the weather gets crazy..the summers get a little hotter each year...they last a little longer, then the winters go from blizzards to springtime, back to blizzards, etc.

people should stop thinking like day to day weathermen and start thinking like meteorologists when it comes to the global warming/climate destablization science.

Erm... Actually it is claimed this year has been the hottest worldwide since records began..

Not sure how that fits in with your global cooling theory?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
ok.

quick experiment
take some water..boil it...watch the steam come off of it

now, imagine what happens when that steam gets cold...massive snowfall, bitter cold.

during a warming earth, water gets warmer...making more precipitation...aka, steam..go into the atmosphere.
then the earth gets cooler during winter and suddenly, you have a massive snowfall...yes...your right, the climate seems to be destablizing..it goes crazy.

this has and is the outlaying of a warming planet...the weather gets crazy..the summers get a little hotter each year...they last a little longer, then the winters go from blizzards to springtime, back to blizzards, etc.

people should stop thinking like day to day weathermen and start thinking like meteorologists when it comes to the global warming/climate destablization science.

You are right! It's called the Greenhouse effect due to the extra participation given after evaporation. This creates the climate to moisten like a greenhouse. Ice caps melt and sea levels rise! If this continued and we did nothing about it we would end up living on 1/10 of the land we are currently on. People will say there is more water but the earth can't contain all the worlds people and animals if this occured!

Originally posted by WashingtonGrewHemp
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Shut up.
Fool.

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Don't shut up OP. You're on target. Global warming is the precursor to transition to an ice-age or ice-age like event.
I'll put up some links to back this up at some point.

Actually this reminds me of my childhood, walking to School in snow on the run up to Christmas to sit in a chilly classroom (brrrr) and then over the next few years everything started to change, warming up and the cold spells seemed to hit later and later each year and now it is returning to the winters of my childhood

I personally had high hopes for the climate change and a bit of warming, I was hoping to grow some more tropical plants and what not... letting my lilly legs see the sun a bit more often, go swimming in the sea with the kids a little more often.. I had such high hopes, all now dashed as it seems it seems we have moved back into another cold spell and back to normal British weather... all I can say is "bah humbug"

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If I hear you British people complaining about some cold weather and snow my head is going to explode. GUESS WHAT? Sometimes, weather doesn't go as planned. Thats why there are record low and highs for everyday of every year. Look on the calender for today in all the different years. Sometimes its super hot, some time cold.

The amount of snow you people are getting is NOTHING. I'm literally in a blizzard as we speak. It has been snowing here heavily for 2 days straight, and it isn't supposed to stop until tonight. Guess what? Everyone around here is alive and working.

Like the hypno-toad guy said, more steam equals more precipitation. Our Ice Caps melt put more water into the ocean make more precipitation as it evaporates in to the atmosphere. Thats why its called global warming because the caps melt. This also makes for hotter summers, with more rain it seems, here at least.

i Think it gets colder because winter is the part of the year when the earth is farthest from the sun. that would make sense at least. Maybe the sun is near the end of its life, so its hotter the closer you are and colder the farther you are from it.

in Short, "global warming" = Hotter, wetter summers and colder snowy-er winters

What i think is wierd, I live in New England in the US and we have had no snow yet. we usually get atlest 3-4 inches in mid-November. i fear a harsh winter coming if the midwest is getting dumped on like they guy above me said.

And yeah, i wouldnt doubt another ice age, maybe even a volcanic one, coming soon

I really wish it was happening because we live in the tropics and so does most people in the world.

It's getting really hot in some places so some Ice Age is extremely welcome for some relief from this unbearably hot climate! Unfortunately, it's not what is happening nor what we're seeing.

I rarely watch the news but I know global warming is happening - for the majority at least. I'm also aware and have personally experienced the reverse, cooling in some parts of the world, but people in the cold parts of the world represents the minority of the world's population

If Ice Age comes, it will be a blessing to most people! At least living conditions will improve, the economy may crash but.... What use is money if your place has become uninhabitable due to high temperatures??

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Yes I think it's comming, the planet will cool down. Wars with it I hope, who would want to wage wars on minus 30 celcius. Humans are more humane in the cold.

hi there,

in most of the charts i have seen , there is a distinct warming before the `drop` into a mini ice-age.
even in Portugal we have seen record lows and snow...over this last 2 weeks.

my personal take is that snow is normal for the UK and Northern Europe...However what is not normal is the early arrival of the snow.

snoopyuk

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Don't shut up OP. You're on target. Global warming is the precursor to transition to an ice-age or ice-age like event.
I'll put up some links to back this up at some point.

Interstadials. Sudden warm and moist phases occurred at various times during the timespan of the last glacial phase, often taking Greenland and Europe from a full-glacial climate to conditions about as warm as at present. For the time period between 115,000 and 14,000 years ago, 24 of these short lived warm events have so far been recognized from the Greenland ice core data (where they are called 'Dansgaard-Oeschger events'), although many lesser warming events also occurred (Dansgaard et al. 1993). From the speed of the climate changes recorded in the Greenland ice cap (Dansgaard et al. 1989), and by observation of the speed of change in sedimentation conditions on land, it is widely believed that the complete 'jump' in climate occurred over only a few decades. The interstadials lasted for varying spans of time, usually a few centuries to about 2,000 years, before an equally rapid cooling returned conditions to their previous state. Recent study of high-resolution deep sea cores (Bond et al. 1997) suggests that for at least the last 30,000 years, interstadials tended to occur at the warmer points of a background north Atlantic (and global?) temperature cycle which had a periodicity of around 1500 years. Not every warm peak was marked by an interstadial, but when each interstadial did occur it tended to begin at around the peak of this background temperature cycle. The same pattern seems to have dominated the occurrence of Heinrich events (below), which tended to begin at the coldest point of the temperature cycle, and the same basic 1500-year climate cycle has apparently continued into the very different world of the Holocene (below).
www.esd.ornl.gov...

Will global warming trigger a new ice age? If climate change disrupts ocean currents, things could get very chilly round here, reports Bill McGuire
www.guardian.co.uk...

In the past, the slowing of the Gulf Stream has been intimately linked with dramatic regional cooling. Just 10,000 years ago, during a climatic cold snap known as the Younger Dryas, the current was severely weakened, causing northern European temperatures to fall by as much as 10 degrees. Ten thousand years before that, at the height of the last ice age, when most of the UK was reduced to a frozen wasteland, the Gulf Stream had just two-thirds of the strength it has now.

The mini ice age starts here By DAVID ROSE Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...
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The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.
Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013. According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

When I was at school in the 1960's we were told that this would happen.

This site has a lot of material to back up what you are seeing now.
www.iceagenow.com...

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With all due respect hayden, what makes your personal experiences the gauge of the global weather?
You mentioned an event of 80 years ago, did that become the norm or remain a freak occurrence?

Below is a link to a weather history of England dating back to 1616, please take a look. Guess what, you may find that what you have may or may not have personally experienced means nothing.

www.netweather.tv...

If the Vostok ice core data is anything to go by we should eventually plunge into another ice age, it's inevitable - it's been happening for 800,000 years at the end of every 15,000 year interglaciation like clock-work, due to the Milankovitch effect. Though we won't feel the full effects for a couple of thousand years. As for the next 30 years - it's anyone's guess, though I expect it to cool, because the temperature data over the last 100 years shows 30-35 year warming periods bookended by around 20-25 year cooling periods.

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Not in all my life have i ever seen such cold weather here in Worcester UK.... Not a big deal? It is when all youve ever known is temperatures around 3-6c in the winter for all your life. Something isnt right

It is not just in Europe.

I am in "sunny" North Carolina, we get snow about once every five years. Last year it snowed FIVE times. This winter WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SNOW and we have not seen above freezing weather in 36 hours. Normally I see people MOWING their lawns in shirt sleeves at this time of year.

Yes you are correct this is not "normal weather" That is it is not the same as the weather for the last thirty years, with a very active sun and the oceans in their warm cycle.

Now the sun has gone into a quiet period for three years. Even NASA admits there has been a change. Remember the sun is a VARIABLE star. The amount of energy reaching the earth especially in the extreme UV has changed.

We want to compare the sun's brightness now to its brightness during previous minima and ask ourselves, is the sun getting brighter or dimmer?"

Lately, the answer seems to be dimmer. Measurements by a variety of spacecraft indicate a 12-year lessening of the sun's "irradiance" by about 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at EUV wavelengths.... science.nasa.gov...

Along with sun and ocean cycle changes there have been changes in the cloud cover. Again it is not constant as we have been lead to believe.

Last is the Milancovitch cycle

If I was to worry about the weather that is what I would worry about.

"
Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception
Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started....

Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic
Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ca 11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3° C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic,..."

Those two studies are bad enough but this one is the REAL kicker!

Abrupt Climate Change: Should We Be Worried? - Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Most of the studies and debates on potential climate change, along with its ecological and economic impacts, have focused on the ongoing buildup of industrial greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and a gradual increase in global temperatures. This line of thinking, however, fails to consider another potentially disruptive climate scenario. It ignores recent and rapidly advancing evidence that Earth’s climate repeatedly has shifted abruptly and dramatically in the past, and is capable of doing so in the future.

Fossil evidence clearly demonstrates that Earth vs climate can shift gears within a decade.... <

But the concept remains little known and scarcely appreciated in the wider community of scientists, economists, policy makers, and world political and business leaders. Thus, world leaders may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur...

Looks like we have a decade before we know whether or not we are seeing the end of the Holocene.

This is a graph of the Vostok ice core data

The Holocene (present) is the long term plateau on the upper left. As the graph shows we do not have the highest temperatures but we have certainly enjoyed the LONGEST run of warm moderate weather compared to the other four inter-glacials. It also shows the default climate of the earth is fricken COLD as in Ice Age! The temperature swing is about eight to ten degrees C with the temperature 4 to 8C lower than it is now the majority of the time.

Oh and to make you feel really good.

Maurice Strong, the guy who started the "global warming" craze at the 1972 First Eart Summit, purchased the Bacca ranch in Colorado. It sits on three major aquifers and OIL.

If there is an Ice age, what will Strong's ranch look like?

ICE AGE MAP www.esd.ornl.gov...

“At the most extreme stage of the last glaciation, most of Canada and much of the northern USA were covered by an ice sheet thousands of metres in thickness. Colder and often drier than present conditions predominated across most of the USA.

The eastern deciduous and conifer forests were replaced by more open conifer woodlands with cooler-climate species of pines and a large component of spruce. The open spruce woodland and parkland extended somewhat further west than present, into what is now the prairie zone.

As a result of aridity and lowering of sea level (which lowered inland water tables), much of Florida was covered by drifting sand dunes. Notably moister than present conditions occurred across much of the south-west, with open conifer woodlands and scrub common in areas that are now semi-desert. Reconstruction of North America during last Ice Age www.esd.ornl.gov...

If we do go into an Ice Age that Ranch is certainly a place I would want to be! Oh well I am sitting on a nice spot here in NC with two good wells. That is why I picked it!