Confirmed: ice age has already started - the shocking evidence

dont know if this is related..but to see all these soccer matches postponed i guess something is happening and its not been given the right attention from the MSM...have a look..

Monday 6th December 2010:

DENMARK: Superliga
19:00 Postponed Lyngby - Midtjylland

ENGLAND: Blue Square North
20:45 Postponed Hyde United - Nuneaton

NETHERLANDS: Eredivisie
20:00 Abandoned Excelsior 0 - 0 Breda

NETHERLANDS: Eerste Divisie
20:00 Den Bosch - Zwolle
20:00 Postponed Emmen - Dordrecht
20:00 Postponed G.A. Eagles - Stormvogels/Telstar
20:00 Postponed Sittard - Almere
20:00 Postponed Volendam - Eindhoven
20:45 Postponed Veendam - Apeldoorn

PORTUGAL: Portuguese Liga
16:00 Abandoned Nacional 1 - 1 Naval

SWITZERLAND: Challenge League
19:00 Postponed Lausanne - Nyonnais

Soccer Matches Postponed or Abandoned Sunday 5th Dec 2010 :

BELGIUM: EXQI League
15:00 Postponed Dender - Oostende
15:00 Postponed Heist - St. Wetteren
15:00 Postponed Tienen - Tubize

ENGLAND: Blue Square Premier
14:00 Postponed Newport - Cambridge Utd
16:00 Postponed Tamworth - Altrincham

GERMANY: 3. Liga
14:00 Postponed Ahlen - Rostock

GERMANY: Regionalliga North
13:30 Postponed Hallescher - Plauen
13:30 Postponed Holstein Kiel - Magdeburg
13:30 Postponed Meuselwitz - Hertha (Am)

GERMANY: Regionalliga South
14:00 Postponed Sonnenhof - Weiden

GERMANY: Regionalliga West
14:00 Postponed Bielefeld (Am) - Köln (Am)
14:00 Postponed Wuppertaler - Dusseldorf (Am)

HUNGARY: NB I
17:30 Postponed Debrecen - Paks

NETHERLANDS: Eredivisie
14:30 Postponed Venlo - Roda

POLAND: Ekstraklasa
15:00 Postponed Polonia W. - Gornik Z.
17:00 Postponed Lech - Widzew Lodz

SLOVENIA: Prva Liga
13:00 Postponed Triglav - Celje

SPAIN: Segunda Division
18:00 Postponed Tenerife - Granada

SPAIN: Segunda Division B - Group 1
12:00 Postponed Lugo - Univ. Las Palmas
12:00 Postponed Vecindario - Coruxo

SPAIN: Segunda Division B - Group 3
11:30 Postponed Teruel - Sporting Mahones
12:00 Postponed Baleares - Sant Andreu
12:00 Postponed Mallorca B - Denia

SWITZERLAND: Challenge League
15:00 Postponed Biel - Delemont
15:00 Postponed Servette - Lugano

WALES: Premier
15:30 Postponed Neath - Aberystwyth



EDIT TO ADD : Saturday's list is that long it will fill a whole thread page Oo

Current European Temps per wunderground.com:

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reply to post by this_is_who_we_are


just WOW..
thanks for that image bro

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Mr. D

 

How much spilled oil does it take to make a new Ice Age?

I fail to see how oil even could start an ice age. You are aware that oil, as it emerges, it usually in liquid form right? And that the ocean is extremely massive right? Don't get me wrong I don't want to see the ecosystem hurt any more than it has been but to suggest that some oil spills are going to start an ice age seems downright silly.

I believe it is supposed to be that the boundary layer between the very fast moving warm stream (4mph) and the colder sea is disrupted as it passes through the oil - this causes it to break up and meader about, never reaching Europe.

Let's just hope that all is not lost eh?

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reply to post by thedoctorswife


I've grown up in a place where it gets cold EVERY YEAR. There's snow, blowing wind, freezing rain and plenty of shivering.

That's why I question the bold title of this thread.

A rational person knows that it takes more than 2 people to confirm something. There are more scientists on both sides of the climate change debate (well, more than TWO anyway).

reply to post by heineken


Do they do this whenever it gets really cold?

If so, then this is not evidence of anything but cold weather.

reply to post by The Sword


i think they do that in extreme weather not just cold..when the stadium is in unplayable conditions...have you noticed that the spread of postponed matches is effecting Europe...this indicates something to me..at least never saw this happening simultaneously..i still believe 100% this matter is not been given the right attention..that is my opinion anyway

I just heard a story about the frigid temps on "America This Morning" on ABC: There are wind chills in the 20's in northern Florida. Citrus farmers are on alert, and even colder weather is expected to swoop in from Canada extending into the southern states as well. Yikes. I've been through some bad winters in Michigan, but the forecast is definitely looking bleak.

Nothing special in Romania (that's South-Eastern Europe). Weather is normal for this time of the year, in fact it is sunny and warm today (about 10 Celsius) so it is quite warm. And we haven't seen any snow yet. Maybe this cold weather hit only UK for the time being?

Originally posted by codrutoctavian
Nothing special in Romania (that's South-Eastern Europe). Weather is normal for this time of the year, in fact it is sunny and warm today (about 10 Celsius) so it is quite warm. And we haven't seen any snow yet. Maybe this cold weather hit only UK for the time being?

as you can see from the postponed matches geo locations..northern europe is effected...also take a look at the graphic image posted by "is_is_who_we_are" which shows the coolest places at the very moment...here in Malta its same weather as yours..clear blue sky temp around 16deg..hopefully we will not be effected

It's been very mild here in the midwest, I just hope it snows before Christmas.

reply to post by rabbigoldstein


from the source you provide for us ,

10 Feb 10 - Renowned physicist Vladimir Paar has revealed that Europe could be just five years away from the start of a new Ice Age, says this article in the Croatian Times.

this doesnt mean we re in a new ice age now.

5 years was the minium time frame for this to happen and yes iv already read this link last year .
1000 years was given as a maxium for it to begin .
again it does not say we re in one now .


yes winter did come early this year, and i got news for you winter coming early is no stranger to the northern hemosphere . its happened before in the past 150 years more then once .
or we can look at it from a different prespective . that the warmer winters that we have been having for the past 20 odd year or even the past 60 years is not normal.

i read somewhere that this winter will be the coldest and the worst in the past 1000 years , again the key word being winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not as you put it an ice age come next spring youll see what im talking about .

i refuse to go though another winter with every tom, dick and harry bitching and complaining that we re in a new ice age now . it didnt happen last year and it wont happen this year .

And this from the Guardian/Observer...
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

reply to post by The Sword


maybe you should look up on a search engine for the name gianluigi zangari from frascati laboratories he is a scientist who has studied the gulf stream for years and he is saying that the gulf stream has slowed because of the BP oil spill and will stop soon.

That’s the first time I’ve seen that site referenced on here, an amazing site that I check on quite a lot.

reply to post by thedoctorswife


Hi,
I can confirm just how cold it is. I don't ever recall seeing it this cold either. I mean -15 in Wales and Scotland. -10 in Manchester. I said to my wife that something is wrong. Lets hope we are wrong.

For the last 2 years Summer has started around April - May. We had a hose pipe ban in the North West due to no rain to replenishing the reservoirs.Then from June onwards raining, raining and more rain. Yet in other parts of the UK. They were seeing the sun everyday. Yes Freaky weather indeed. It's as though the seasons are coming earlier. But that is just as i see it from where i live.

Peace

I don't need any sources,why do people have to look to scientists for answers, I live in southern Ontario Canada,actually probably the most southern point in Canada,even more south than northern parts of the United States.Ive been here ten years,winter was always a clap on clap off kinda of thing,rain, freezing, melting, generally a real slush festival. the snow never stays more than a few days at best. When the snow comes it is usually heading towards the freezing mark. So far, temp does not matter,it is cold all the time,driving thru snow squalls some days. I haven't driven thru a snow squall in ten years. This year I followed the BP oil spill extensively and understood the ramifications of the gulf stream going down. I didn't need a degree to figure it out,common sense taught me that. Its has been below zero on average every night for 6 weeks. This morning there is enough snow to plow and it is freezing. My feet are cold,my ass is cold, the humidity is below 15 percent for the last few days. I feel like a prune.. Jack Frost is here and he is bringing his kids, his aunts,cousins, it is going to be a family affair.
Kudos to OP. Don't be discouraged I know it is difficult when you are a wolf and not a sheep. Wolf 1 out

Originally posted by rabbigoldstein

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
i woke this morning at 7 and it was like the north pole, in fact i kept my daughter off school cos it was so icy. Bit worrying.

Cool, and its been snowing on and off all night here, and in many places up north, so any of the snow thats receeded has been brought back.

Oh and freezing air temperatures are on the horizon for well into january, which means thats right, snow is going away no time soon

Ok i have to bite because i cant stand this utter crap anymore...no offense!

There is NO ICE AGE...the Gulf Stream has NOT stopped. If you care to do your research you will see that the gulf stream slows every year.

Plenty of snow has fallen in december before...maybe not in England or Wales but seriously, Britain is larger than just those 2 countries. Maybe the widespread snow has made people see things differently but this is caused bya mechanism called "Blocking". This blocking is caused by a multitude of factors. The Jet stream, Gulf Stream, Solar activity etc.

THIS IS WINTER...IT SNOWS and GETS COLD. This weather pattern in the UK at the moment is normal, it just hasnt occurred for a while, but it is totally normal when all the weather patterns come together.

To sit there and say we will be able to walk to Scandinavia or France because the sea will freeze over is utter sh*t. This may happen in the future but it certainly wont happen in this centuary.

People who quote THE GUARDIAN as a reliable source need to realise one thing...

All news agencies and television programmes are designed to make you believe exactly what TPTB want you to believe. They want to keep you in fear so that you are controlled. I recommend you go learn about global climate situations and weather patterns for yourself and follow up on research before you start posting apocolyptic threads.

Originally posted by jrmcleod

Originally posted by rabbigoldstein

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
i woke this morning at 7 and it was like the north pole, in fact i kept my daughter off school cos it was so icy. Bit worrying.

People who quote THE GUARDIAN as a reliable source need to realise one thing...

All news agencies and television programmes are designed to make you believe exactly what TPTB want you to believe. They want to keep you in fear so that you are controlled. I recommend you go learn about global climate situations and weather patterns for yourself and follow up on research before you start posting apocolyptic threads.

I have (see my posts here www.abovetopsecret.com... - Global Warming is not only NOT a hoax, but it is about 10,000 times worst than your worst nightmare.). I was just putting this out there I am not a Guardian reader, I was doing a search for the source of a CIA report, couldn’t find it but found an article referencing it).

The source is a Future Trends document for 2015 to 2025 commissioned by the CIA. If you go to the CIA website they have loads of stuff like this and info on all the countries in the world. In any case, the CIA released this report that in their opinion they see that Northern Europe is tits up by 2020. Now whether I believe it is another point entirely, like I said I was just putting it out there so that people like yourself could view it and share your opinion on it. I recommend that you read through my posts in the link provided to truly get an idea of where I stand on the global climate situation and weather patterns and see for yourself the arguments I have put forward and the observations I have made, if your that way inclined. If not, fair enough.

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