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Why do some people see zionists around every corner?

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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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This is something I also wonder about. So lets say for the sake of argument that the zionists bankrolled Hitler and staged the holocaust to get a justification to get the state of Israel. Why would they kill themselves? Or kill other jews? But one wcitizen said that zionists look down on ordinary jews. Did the zionists kill ordinary jews?
Why would they kill six million of their own? Or do you people even believe that six million jews were murdered?
This holy thing seems very confusing to me.

You don't think that the holocaust came about because of the anti semitic atmosphere that had existed in Europe for centuries? I mean Austria was a hotbed of anti semitism after WW1. The monarchies of Europe had for centuries told their respective peoples that jews are evil because they killed Jesus. Don't you think that if you tell this to people for hundreds of years that they wouldn't eventually going to lash out against their purported enemies? I think it just follows a simple process.




posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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Everyone always wants an easy scapegoat, that is true whether you lived in the 16th century or the 21st. When people see unilateral support for Israel on false grounds and the amount of congress reaching the 90%+ region for AIPAC meetings. The hate and disillusionment of current problems end up focusing somewhere 'else' it doesn't matter where really...just as long as it is not on their lap. It is no surprise that the hate lands on Zionism, and may i just say that Zionism these days is not the meaning of Zionism in the early 20th century...as Israel exists. I think zionism today means corruption in the form of lobbyists and the American empire, if Israel were not such a strategic asset...they would have been ditched a long time ago. America gives human rights and justice in terms of how useful the state in question is, not on any romanticized moral grounds. Sure, neo nazis use the term Zionists to hide their blatant antisemitism, but i feel the large majority are simply fed up of the overwhelming force that shapes and molds both foreign and domestic policies, which you can trace right back to Israel time and time again.

And metalicc monk, even raul hilberg suspected that jewish councils were at the very least complicit in the holocaust. The average jew in prison camps who helped subdue the rest of the prisoners were called 'useful' jews by hitler.
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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Yes, I know this. But it also seems that the conspiracy people who say that they are just anti zionist still use the terms jew and zionist interchangebly. Why do they keep doing this?
And if you invite people like David Duke on your show and call him "one of the most intelligent speakers on the planet" then you are clearly on good terms with him and like his views and if you do that then you are clearly just a plain ol' anti semite.





But does that mean that they took their orders from higher ups? Or did they go along because they were scared?
I tend to think it's alternative two.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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Of course it would be fear for at least one of the occasions, as for the Jewish councils i don't know, i lean towards fear...but that is open to debate. If you could address that, i would be happy, seems you sidestepped that issue.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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zionists are not jews.. point blank period.
need proof












posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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If they are not jews then what are they?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Well, I tend to lean towards the fact that they were scared sh#!less. The entire German nation had been converted to a fascist state with an anti jewish policy. And there are uncle toms in every ethnic group that buckle under pressure and sell out their own people just to save their own buts. Just take the example of schutzjuden in nazi Germany. These were jews protected by the nazis. When people hear about things like schutzjuden it's easy to go into a meltdown because it seems to be so insane. Well, the nazis were insane.
But i'm sure that once the nazis were finished with the extermination of the large segment of the jews the council people and the schutzjuden would also have been killed. They just delayed their own destruction.
I mean just think about the psychological pressure one must be under in the kind of situation that the jews were in during WW2. Different individuals may have acted differently. Some jews buckled under the pressure and became uncle toms and some jews decided to flee and some jews decided to organize resistance movements against their enemies. Different individuals have different responses.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Im sure Zionism doesn't need to be explained to you, there are just as many crazy jews in the westbank calling for nuclear Armageddon as there are in America calling for the same, the dominion in star trek terms....bit of a scifi geek, but the aim is the same.


My post was meant to address a different post, but yes...fear does strange things to people. We can agree on that,.
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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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ok ok i slipped on my wordage.. zionists are jews. just like extremest muslims are still muslim and gay bashing christians are still christians.
they can wear the name like a badge of honor but the fact of the matter remains they take the name in vain. if you are a true jew... you practice (in all aspects) judaism. if you a true muslim you practice (in all aspects) islam. and if you are a true christian you practice (thats right you guessed it in all aspects) christianity.

zionist tarnish the jewish name and culture as the other two "extreme" sects tarnish the names of their religion respectively.

i think the real question that is at hand is.. Why? what is all this about? what is it, they who hold the power, are trying (and very successfully might i add) to accomplish? what is it that is really under attack? is it our rights? or is it far more sinister than that. soo far below the radar that not many see it.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Yes, as I said there are extremists in all religions. But you mean that jewish extremists control the US government?
So there are no other powerfull interests in the western world that can compete with the zionists?
The Bilderberg group? The Freemasons maybe?
Or are they all just controlled by zionists?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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Op has made a massive error. Anti sematism was just arranged so people cannot talk about people higher than american president who the public think is the hiighest on earth lol.

I never talk about jews or zionism, and i think uk and usa run israel. While media wants you to think israel runs uk and usa.

The media is strong, and zionism is just a word and people do not know what it means.

The ptb want you to believe the hierachy is topped by the american president, lol, this is a post highly restricted and is just an actor.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
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Op has made a massive error. Anti sematism was just arranged so people cannot talk about people higher than american president who the public think is the hiighest on earth lol.

I never talk about jews or zionism, and i think uk and usa run israel. While media wants you to think israel runs uk and usa.

The media is strong, and zionism is just a word and people do not know what it means.

The ptb want you to believe the hierachy is topped by the american president, lol, this is a post highly restricted and is just an actor.


Anti semitism was arranged? So you don't think there is any anti semitism?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Metallic Monk
Yes, as I said there are extremists in all religions. But you mean that jewish extremists control the US government?
So there are no other powerfull interests in the western world that can compete with the zionists?
The Bilderberg group? The Freemasons maybe?
Or are they all just controlled by zionists?


before we go into that question we have to follow another path..
like i stated before what is the purpose of all of it? we all know there is a "they", so what are "they" trying to accomplish? if you think it's world power... come on they already have that. what are "they" up to? what is all this fighting about? why is israel such a huge deal? why do stories of morality winning and the "evil people" losing tug at ones heart?
i mean that is the ultimate goal right. good triumphing over evil. that is the whole point of this entire page right? to one up the bad guys, but why?
what's the point of it all.. cause there has to be a point, if not, why not just throw in the towel.. because why fight a pointless fight right? why not just ignorantly follow? it's easier that way, isnt it. i mean come on isnt it?

so what is it all about?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Power can be a very intoxicating thing and when you have all the money in the world you start to look for other highs. I think that "they" are seeking to control the world and rule it with a feudal system.
But I don't think that "they" are jews or zionists. I think that "they" are just an elite. A group of rich and powerful people that see that they have common interests and they work together to have full control. It's about running the world. You might think that this doesn't seem like such a dramatic explanation but I really think it works this way. Just about greed and power.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 01:58 PM
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What is that supposed to mean - non-Jews, Goy?





No. I never said I was concerned. I was laying the responsibility for this where it belongs - with the Israeli government. They call themselves Jews as well as calling themselves Israelis - so if I am critical of the Israeli government and use the term Jew - what would be wrong with that...since they themselves describe themselves that way?





So? Many Power Brokers are Jewish, it's a fact.
It is not anti-semite to criticize Jews. It is not anti-Israeli to criticize Israelis, it's not anti-American to criticize Americans. It is not anti-Muslim to criticize Muslims. It is not anti-Christian to criticize Christians.

What qualifies as racist for me is when someone hates another, blindly, or is blindly prejudiced against them. simply and uniquely because of a label, irrespective of any other consideration.





I have already said this, I think. Zionists IMO are Fanatical Extremist Jews, and those who sympathise and support fanatical, extremist Jews. Same as there are fanatical, extremist Muslims, and those who sympathise with and support them.








I am not sure how prevalent it is in the US but here in Sweden it's quite
easy to be critical of Israel.

It's the same in most Western countries. People do not like Israel's foreign policy, they are horrified at its treatment of Palestinians and its refusal to respect international law. That's people's opinion. Equally, they hate American foreign policy and the heinous, murderous wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and America's corporate terrorism and bullying.





Well, it has happened to me here on ATS many times. That's my experience. It may not happen in Sweden, but it does definitely happen elsewhere.

Ok, I've made a decision. This is the last time I'm ever going to enter into a discussion about this on ATS, because I am sick and tired of it. In every aspect of my life I treat everyone with the same level of respect. I am totally against any kind of racism, bigotry or prejudice - and I also reserve the right to express myself in the way I damn well wish.


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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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Wow and you are calling me paranoid. You really seem to have different view on racism than most people.
Are you in total denial here? David Duke? Just critizism?
Guy! This fella is a nazi. It's not just critizism. He hates jews and he has the same view of the jews as the nazis had/have. Are you in self denial or just in denial to me?



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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in order for them to be the elite they have to be the bankers do your research on who they are and then we'll continue this discussion.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by stuncrazy
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in order for them to be the elite they have to be the bankers do your research on who they are and then we'll continue this discussion.

Yes yes I know that there are alot of jews in banking. Do you even know why the jews have a tradition to work with banking? Because during the middle ages they were the only ones who were allowed to. Money lending was frowned upon by christians but the loophole for the monarchas to get cash was to let the jews handle it. Then no christians had to it.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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aha... good find good sir, good find indeed. so who control's the worlds governments. he who controls the money controls the world. so since bank owners = early day jews it's safe to say that a larger portion of the elite (vast larger portion) are bank owning, propoganda making zionists... you see that you there how i changed from jews to zionists... cause i don't see one connecting to the other. hahaha
(i know you can't tell but i'm talking in a humoristic tone here. like if you've ever seen equals three on youtube, whenever the host fails at a joke that kind of tone)

no but for real though zionists control the world..

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