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posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Who and what is Gog of Magog?

“Son of man, set your face against Gog [of] the land of Magog…”-

So open the words of Jehovah to the prophet Ezekiel in the 38th chapter of the Bible book of the same name. Many have speculated on just who Gog is and who Magog refers to. If you are one who is keen to understand prophecy, and what is yet future, and have eyes of discernment and ears of understanding, come as we deduce just who exactly Gog is, and what the all-out assault that he is prophesized to perpetuate bodes for the near future.

Firstly, it is good to understand that in both Biblical and secular history there are no kings named Gog, nor is there a land named Magog, less that fit the description of that held in this prophecy. And in it we are told that the fulfillment of the events described in this chapter would not occur until “the final part of the years.” (v 8)

Deducing that the name Gog and Magog are not literal and that they appear on the world scene in the time of the end, we are able to determine that the person and place named here must be symbolic. Knowing that Gog and the land of Magog represent a symbolic place and person in “the time of the end” we are a step closer to understanding who and what they represent.

Just exactly what does the prophecy foretell concerning Gog, and why should it matter to us anyway?

In that same chapter we are told that Gog gathers a large crowd of people from out of many nations and angrily and greedily attacks God’s people, “the mountains of Israel.”(v 2-8.)

Many so-called Christians today believe that a modern literal nation of Israel must be the designated place referred to that is attacked. But just as Gog and Magog are symbolic, so too, the literal nation of Israel that sits in the middle east, and is a part of the political system of things of this earth is not referred to here.

In the Bible after Jesus died and was raised to heaven we see clearly that God’s approval over the literal nation of Israel passed over to the “Israel of God” the Christian congregation, and that everyone, wether Jew or Greek who entered into the kingdom covenant with Jesus for a kingdom were the real seed of Abraham. In fact Paul tells us quite clearly:

(Romans 2:28-29) . . .For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. . . .

(Galatians 6:16) . . .And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.

So we see that the prophecy must refer to the spiritual Israel, or the Christian congregation established in the last days. Understanding this truth with our spiritual eyes of perception will take us one step closer to understanding the meaning and fulfillment of this striking chapter of Bible prophecy.

Just who is Gog? Gog must refer to a mighty entity that has control over many nations. The Bible tells us that Satan the Devil is the ruler of the world, and exposes to us in Revelation that the “dragon” Satan is the real ruler behind the thrones of the political governments of this earth.

Magog refers to the abased condition that Satan was thrown in after the fulfillment of the prophecy in Revelation 12:9, 10 where we read that he was ousted from heaven and bound to the vicinity of the earth.

Thus Gog is Satan the Devil, and Magog is his earthly realm to which he has been confined and over which he rules as god.

Discerning who the players are in this prophecy we can now fully understand what is to happen at the end.

Gog of the land of Magog (Satan, ruler of the world) gathers together the military might of the earth’s armed forces to draw close to attack Jehovah’s named witnesses. This coincides also with the prophecy in Revelation 16:14-16 where we are told that Satan’s demon hordes gather together all the “kings of the earth”, all the political rulers to gather them together to wage war against God in the battle called Armageddon:

(Revelation 16:14, 16) . . .They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty…And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma•ged′on.

Now we understand this thrilling prophecy which has a near-future fulfillment. Knowing that Satan and his demon hordes were ousted from heaven at the establishment of God’s kingdom in 1914, and that in that year the “time of the end” began we know we are in the time period set for this to take place.

Sometime in the near future God says that he will put it into the thought of Gog to draw near to attack Jehovah’s people. But he reveals that this thought has already been in the haughty mind of his enemy. Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses will appear to be helpless to defend themselves from military action; they being “no part of this world” have separated themselves from the political entities and have “learned war no more,” by putting down arms. Thus they are an unarmed people that live in all the earth. It appears as if they have great wealth that must no doubt refer to the elevated spiritual estate this Christian group of people enjoys. Satan enraged that he has not been able to eliminate the name of Jehovah, and the practice of true worship to his name in the earth will be all too eager to gather together the governments of the earth and use their military might to try to eradicate once and for all mention of the name of Jehovah and of pure worship from the earth in one final all-out attack on his named people which will lead into God’s taking action as angelic armies descend both upon the military rulers and their armies and upon Gog and his spiritual demon hordes and utterly annihilate Satan’s wicked system of things. Now follow along as we see Jehovah talking to Satan himself to reveal to those who are keen to know what is about to happen:

(Ezekiel 38:15-16) . . .And you will certainly come from your place, from the remotest parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great congregation, even a numerous military force. 16 And you will be bound to come up against my people Israel, like clouds to cover the land. In the final part of the days it will occur, and I shall certainly bring you against my land, for the purpose that the nations may know me when I sanctify myself in you before their eyes, O Gog.”’


(Ezekiel 38:18-23) . . .“‘And it must occur in that day, in the day when Gog comes in upon the soil of Israel,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘that my rage will come up into my nose. 19 And in my ardor, in the fire of my fury, I shall have to speak. Surely in that day a great quaking will occur in the soil of Israel. 20 And because of me the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the wild beasts of the field and all the creeping things that are creeping on the ground and all mankind that are upon the surface of the ground will be bound to shiver, and the mountains will actually be thrown down and the steep ways will have to fall, and to the earth even every wall will fall.’ 21 “‘And I will call forth against him throughout all my mountainous region a sword,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Against his own brother the sword of each one will come to be. 22 And I will bring myself into judgment with him, with pestilence and with blood; and a flooding downpour and hailstones, fire and sulphur I shall rain down upon him and upon his bands and upon the many peoples that will be with him. 23 And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’

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posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Just out of curiosity- do you understand the first part of Revelation ch20 as a literal thousand year kingdom?
If that is the case, then surely the battle of ch16 and the battle of Gog and Magog in ch20 ought to be two different battles a thousand years apart? You are treating them as though they are the same battle.


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posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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The "Gog and Magog" referred to in Revelation 20:8 are not the same as the "Gog OF Magog" referred to in Ezekiel 38. Notice that in Ezekiel Gog is referred to being over the land of Magog (which is the earthly estate of Satan). In Revelation after the thousand year reign of Christ and Satan is let loose for a little while in Revelation 20 we are told that he misleads many and gathers them together to again attack God's people, those who come up against them this time are referred to as "Gog and Magog" not a place but rather two people, who represent those who attack Jehovah's people at that time. The fact that Jehovah refers to them in this manner most certainly links them to Satan and shows the similarity of the attack that he propagates at the outset of Armageddon on God's people.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Thank you for the explanation.
I'm a little surprised, though, because the circumstances of Ezekiel ch38 (Israel have been dwelling securely) are so similar to the circumstances of Revelation ch20 (preceding peace for 1000 years), that it's hard to believe that the back-reference isn't deliberate, even if the wording is slightly different.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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The confusion is understandable because the terms "Gog of the land of Magog" and "Gog and Magog" both use the same names. The fact that in Revelation 20 two people are named, and that in Ezekiel 38 Magog is referred to as a place tells us they are two separate events. Also, notice that in Revelation 20 the attack after the millennial rule is because of the releasing of Satan from the abyss for a little while to again mislead those who would be unfaithful to God. The fact that Jehovah saw it appropriate to use the same same reference to Gog and Magog in both prophecies definitely shows us that he links both attacks to Satan the Devil.

In Ezekiel we are also told that the fulfillment of that prophecy would come at the "final part of the years" that is of this present wicked system of things. Daniel 11:35 speaks of this time period when it states: And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Calendar,

A right good study, and I would like to place some verses that lend to the thoughts. Re. 20:7,8. KJV

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This I do believe is a thousand years later than the battle of Armageddon.

Truthiron.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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Calender,

I do come to believe the battle in Re. Chap. 20: is what the Eze. account is about. This is the second resurrection and will be the second death for all that come up on the Holy City come down from Heaven. This is all the lost that have lived upon the earth, the number is so great it is exprssed as the sand of the sea. Re. 20:8. and verse 9 fire comes down and devours them.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Even death and hell are cast into the fire and will be no more. That fire comes down from God out of Heaven and devours all. This ends the sin and rebellion program.

You know rebellion in this old world has reached an extreme level.

Truthiron.



posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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He who has eyes of understanding will understand what it is saying. Remember that during the thousand year reign there is only God's kingdom that will rule over mankind. There will not be different nations to unite. And also, at that time, all wicked ones will have been done away with, thus everyone alive, and everyone resurrected will know who Jehovah is just as the prophecy foretells:


(Jeremiah 31:34) . . .And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ‘KNOW Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,” is the utterance of Jehovah.. . .


And also:


(Isaiah 11:9) . . .They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.


The need Jehovah will have of witnesses of his name at that time will be nonexistent for everyone will know him.

The result of the attack of Gog of the land of Magog in Ezekiel 38 will be to make Jehovah's name made known among this godless system in which we live:


(Ezekiel 38:23) . . .And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’


So, one, there are no "nations" that will be around at the end of the thousand years, for only God's righteous heavenly government will be ruling, and two, there will be no need to make himself known as Jehovah to the nations during that time.

As for the "lake of fire" that hell and Satan are thrown into, it represents the "second death", that is complete and utter annihilation. So after the thousand years, and the final test, even death (represented by hell) and Satan himself will be permanently done away with.



posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 07:47 AM
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Calendar,

I am of the opinion that this earth will be in shambles and torn up and unlivable during the 1,000 yrears before the second resurrection. This earth has had it's 6,000 years of sin and will have it's Sabbath rest of 1,000 years. Jerimiah I believe gives an account of this. I don't imagine you will agree but God has always required the land be given a years rest after every 6 and then on a Jubilee year it got 2 years in a row. The Jubilee calender was put in effect at the beginning the same as the 7 solar days of the week. Weeks of years were also established.

A few verses from Jer. 4:23-28

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

I rather believe we will be dwelling in the Holy City He has prepared for us during the thousand years.

Joh 14:
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Then in Zech we see Him make a great plain for the New Jerusaleum. Zed. 14:4,8-11.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

8 ¶ And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

This then will be when the second resurrection occurs and all the evil host led of Satan will attempt to take the Holy City but no chance.

It's been a long time since I've thought on this but this is what I have to consider at this time.

Truthiron.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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* Revelation 16:16
* Ezekiel 38:1,2/8 & 16 Magog - Russia - China joins with them
* Revelation 16:12
* Revelation 9:14-18
* Daniel 11:40 - Egypt - King of the South
* Isaiah 17:1 - Syria - Damascus (Arabic) spelling
* Ezekiel 38:5 - Persia, changed it's name to Iran in 1932 then to Mesopotamian then Iraq
* Ezekiel 38:7 - Turkey - (Targarma)

from the Hebrew Bible 38:6 (Cush & Phut)
Ethiopia, Libya, Yemen, Sudan - and many parts of Africa
* Psalms 83:4-7 (Ammon & Edom ) Jordan, (Gebal), Libyan, and Philistines
* Joel 3:2 - (1)Ishmolites, (2)Hagordines, (3)Ishmaelites, (4)Hagarenes

Rosh (ancient Sarmatians know as Rashu, Rasapu, Ros & RUSSIA

Magog (ancient Scythians ) Central Asia ( Islamic Southern republics of the former Soviet Union with a population of 6 million Muslims

Meshech (ancient Muschki and Musku in Cilici and Cappadocia ) TURKEY

Tubal (ancient Tubalu in Cappadocia ) TURKEY

Persia ( name changed to Iran in 1935 ) IRAN

Ethiopia (ancient Cush, south of Egypt) Sudan

Libya (ancient Put, west of Egypt ) Libya

Gomer (ancient Cimmerians from seventh century to first century B.C. in central / west Anatolia

Turkey Beth, Tagarmah Tilgarimmu between ancient Carchemish and Haran) TURKEY


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Rosh - Hebrew - Strong's Concordance

means " Head " or " Chief " it means either the individual who is the chief or leader of this alliance or
the nation which leads it.

Gog - Prince of Meshech Tubal ( Russia )
Meshech & Tubal or " M - S(h) - C(h) " & " T - B - L "
The chief city of Russia is Moscow the first three consonant or Moscow match the principle consonant of Meshech
( i.e. " M-S-C ") The consonant or Tubal ( T-B-L )
can be seen preserved in the Russian city of Tobolsk and the river in Russia as well as in the Georgian city of this
is which was long a part of the old Soviet Union. According to the Ezechiel's prophecy RUSSIA will lead the attacking alliance

The genealogy of the sons of Noah

Genesis 10:1-3,6-7

( KJV )

10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah,
Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born
after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai,
and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and
Togarmah.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah,
and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah;
Sheba, and Dedan.

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Genesis 10:1-3,6-7

( NIV )

Ge. 10:1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons,
who themselves had sons after the flood.
Ge. 10:2 The sons [Sons may mean descendants or successors or
nations; also in verses 3, 4, 6, 7, 20-23, 29 and 31.] of
Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and
Tiras.
Ge. 10:3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
Ge. 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, [That is, Egypt; also in
verse 13] Put and Canaan.
Ge. 10:7 The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and
Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.

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Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of
Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and
prophesy against him,
38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am
against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them
with shield and helmet:
38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of
the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with
thee.

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Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:1 The word of the LORD came to me:
Ez. 38:2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of
Magog, the chief prince of [Or the prince of Rosh,] Meshech
and Tubal; prophesy against him
Ez. 38:3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am
against you, O Gog, chief prince of [Or Gog, prince of
Rosh,] Meshech and Tubal.
Ez. 38:5 Persia, Cush [That is, the upper Nile region] and Put will be
with them, all with shields and helmets,
Ez. 38:6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the
far north with all its troops — the many nations with you.

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Russia ally is Ethiopia which is derived from the Hebrew word for Cush ( Strong Concordance #3568 )

Cush's descendants do include the nations of Ethiopia in the Horn of Africa but they are only a small portion of Cush's descendants
mostly migrated eastward into the Indian subcontinent and the name of their forefather Cush is still on the " Hindu Kush "
mountains along the border between Afghanistan and Palestinian. This ally will come from the
Afghanistan and Palestinian region

The next ally is called Libya - Hebrew word translated " Libya " is Phut or Put
( Strong Concordance #46316 )
Phut is a nation descended from Phut a son of Ham

Genesis 10:6

10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.

Phut / Libya west from Egypt along the African coast prophecy does not specifically state " all of Phut " will join
Russia's alliance so time will tell whether all or part of their region joins Russia

The next Russian ally is labeled Gomer one of the sons of Japheth ( Genesis 10:2-31 )
The Hebrew word translated as " Troops " Ezekiel 38:6 means " Bands " Gomer will have extremely large population & it will
have many internal ethnic groups defined as " Bands " or " Troops "
The nations of Japheth are found in the oriental regions of Asia & the most populous nation on earth China

The last major ally listed is Togarmah , who was a son of Gomer ( Genesis 10:2-3) so it is closely related to the Chinese
ethnically this group is also described as being very populous and having many ethnic groups ("Bands") it will be located
in the " far North " regions of Asia and its close relationship with Gomer indicates it will be located just north
of Gomers latter-day descendents with Gome identified as China's many ethnic groups, Togarmah would dwell in the regions
located to the north of mainland China , Mongolia,Siberia & perhaps Manchuria , and North Korea. All these spheres of influence

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Genesis 10:2-31

(KJV)

10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai,
and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and
Togarmah.
10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim,
and Dodanim.
10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their
lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in
their nations.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah,
and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah;
Sheba, and Dedan.
10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one
in the earth.
10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore
it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the
LORD.
10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and
Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded
Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is
a great city.
10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and
Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came
Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the
Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the
Canaanites spread abroad.
10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as
thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto
Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even
unto Lasha.
10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after
their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of
Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were
children born.
10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and
Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether,
and Mash.
10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one
was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his
brother's name was Joktan.
10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and
Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were
the sons of Joktan.
10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest
unto Sephar a mount of the east.
10:31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after
their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.



Genesis 10:1-31

( NIV )

Ge. 10:1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons,
who themselves had sons after the flood.
Ge. 10:2 The sons [Sons may mean descendants or successors or
nations; also in verses 3, 4, 6, 7, 20-23, 29 and 31.] of
Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and
Tiras.
Ge. 10:3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
Ge. 10:4 The sons of Javan: Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the
Rodanim. [Some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text and
Samaritan Pentateuch (see also Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:7);
most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text Dodanim]
Ge. 10:5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their
territories by their clans within their nations, each with its
own language.)
22
Ge. 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, [That is, Egypt; also in
verse 13] Put and Canaan.
Ge. 10:7 The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and
Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.
Ge. 10:8 Cush was the father [Father may mean ancestor or
predecessor or founder; also in verses 13, 15, 24 and 26.] of
Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth.
Ge. 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is
said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Ge. 10:10 The first centres of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad
and Calneh, in [Or Erech and Akkad — all of them in]
Shinar. [That is, Babylonia]
Ge. 10:11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh,
Rehoboth Ir, [Or Nineveh with its city squares] Calah
Ge. 10:12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the
great city.
Ge. 10:13 Mizraim was the father of the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites,
Naphtuhites,
Ge. 10:14 Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and
Caphtorites.
Ge. 10:15 Canaan was the father of Sidon his firstborn, [Or of the
Sidonians, the foremost] and of the Hittites,
Ge. 10:16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girga#es,
Ge. 10:17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites,
Ge. 10:18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites. Later the Canaanite
clans scattered
Ge. 10:19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon towards Gerar
as far as Gaza, and then towards Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah
and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
Ge. 10:20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in
their territories and nations.
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Ge. 10:21 Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was [Or
Shem, the older brother of] Japheth; Shem was the ancestor
of all the sons of Eber.
Ge. 10:22 The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.
10:23 The sons of Aram: Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. [See
Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:17; Hebrew Mash.]
Ge. 10:24 Arphaxad was the father of [Hebrew; Septuagint father of
Cainan, and Cainan was the father of] Shelah, and Shelah the
father of Eber.
Ge. 10:25 Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, [Peleg
means division.] because in his time the earth was divided; his
brother was named Joktan.
Ge. 10:26 Joktan was the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth,
Jerah,
Ge. 10:27 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah,
Ge. 10:28 Obal, Abimael, Sheba,
Ge. 10:29 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.
Ge. 10:30 The region where they lived stretched from Mesha towards
Sephar, in the eastern hill country.
Ge. 10:31 These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in
their territories and nations.
Ge. 10:32 These are the clans of Noah’s sons, according to their lines of
descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread
out over the earth after the flood.

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Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of
the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with
thee.


Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the
far north with all its troops — the many nations with you.

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Who is the OTHER global alliance ?
The second large global alliance attacked by the first one led by Russia is called " Israel " or " The House of Israel "
"Israel" the ten tribes of Israel who where prophesied in Hosea 1:10 to be vastly increased in population (and therefore ,
power/after they were exiled from the promised land Circa 723 B.C.

Ezekiel 38:8,14-16/39:12
Ezekiels prophecy in the latter years

Where were the lost tribes of Israel at the time of JESUS ?
The Well Known Jewish historian Josephus the ten tribes had a very massive population in the Asia empire of Parthia as their
home and Parthian major " Wise Men " were Divinely led to worship Jesus in Matthew 2, they fell in the 3rd century A.D.
The millions of Parthian refugees poured into Europe and were called " Cavcasian ", Goths, Germans, Saxons, Vandals, etc.
U.S. , U.K. , Canada, Australia & New Zealand (NATO)
" The Western Alliance " Israelis, Israelite tribe of Judah

Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter
years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back
from the sword, and is gathered out of many people,
against the mountains of Israel, which have been always
waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they
shall dwell safely all of them.
38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog,
Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of
Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north
parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding
upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel,
as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days,
and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may
know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before
their eyes.
39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be
burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.



Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years
you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose
people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of
Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought
out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
Ez. 38:14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is
what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people
Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?
Ez. 39:15 As they go through the land and one of them sees a human
bone, he will set up a marker beside it until the gravediggers
have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog.
Ez. 38:16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that
covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you
against my land, so that the nations may know me when I
show myself holy through you before their eyes.
Ez. 39:12 “‘For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them
in order to cleanse the land.

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Ezekiel's 38th - 39th Chapter

Is there a THIRD power bloc in the world at the " End Times " ?
after the surprise attack of led by Russia ,China and Iran Ezekiel 38 mention another bloc of nation which is NOT ! part of the attacking alliance the OBJECT to it when it occurs Ezekiel 38:13
" SHEBA ,DEDAN ,The Merchants of TARSHISH. Sheba & Dedan, the merchants of TARSHISH are increasingly looking like modern India -
large democracy with English speaking history membership in the British Empire it is increasingly drawn toward the west
via economic ties & mutual concerns about Islamic terrorism and the rapid militarization of China


( KJV )
38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish,
with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art
thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company
to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away
cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

( NIV )
Ez. 38:13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her
villages [Or her strong lions] will say to you, “Have you
come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to
carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods
and to seize much plunder?”’

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Who then are the " Merchants of Tararhish and all their young lions", who also have the same negative reaction to the Gog-led
attacks as did the people of Sheba and Dedan ?
Genesis 10:4 identifies Tarshish as the people descended from Japheth, whose descendants are now mostly located in Asia.
Tarshish was the son of Javan as well as the grandson of Japheth since it as one of the initial tribes of Japheths's descendants
it should have grown into a large nation a huge clue as to their modern identity is Ezekiel 38:13.
Their entire nation is so closely linked to merchandising goods to others that they are called a nation of Merchants !
JAPAN sometimes called " Japan INC. " in the media
Tarshish was named Javan ,and the name is little changed in the national name of Japan. The island of Java in Indonesia also
preserves the name of Javan (Genesis 10:4) there are other descendents of Javan who are not Japanese "Young Lions" in the modern
world that it can only mean that there is a Creator God of the Bible who is actively guiding the destinies of nations to fulfill
his prophecies (Isaiah 41:21-26) God challenging skeptics and authorship of the Bible.
There is a number of Smaller Asian nations on the Pacific rim which have copied the mercantile export -driven services called
"Young Lions" nation of "Young Tigers". Economies of Asia since there where only Asian Lions not Tigers in the region of the
ancient promised land and fertile crescent ( in which Ezekiel lived and wrote ) " Young Lions " could be translated " Young Tigers "
IS IT NOT AMAZING how PRECISELY the Bible a millennia ago the modern realities and traits of Japan and various Pacific Rim nations?
South Korea, Taiwan, The Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, etc.

Genesis 10:4

(KJV)

10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim,
and Dodanim.

( NIV )

Genesis 10:4

Ge. 10:4 The sons of Javan: Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the
Rodanim. [Some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text and
Samaritan Pentateuch (see also Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:7);
most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text Dodanim


Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish,
with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art
thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company
to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away
cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?


Isaiah 41:21-26

( KJV )

41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth
your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall
happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that
we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or
declare us things for to come.
41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we
may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that
we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
41:24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought:
an abomination is he that chooseth you.
41:25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall
come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my
name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and
as the potter treadeth clay.
41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may
know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous?
yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that
declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.


Isaiah 41:21-26

( NIV )

Is. 41:21 “Present your case,” says the LORD. “Set forth your
arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
Is. 41:22 “Bring in your idols to tell us what is going to happen. Tell us
what the former things were, so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome. Or declare to us the things to
come,
Is. 41:23 tell us what the future holds, so that we may know you are
gods. Do something, whether good or bad, so that we will be
dismayed and filled with fear.
Is. 41:24 But you are less than nothing and your works are utterly
worthless; he who chooses you is detestable.
Is. 41:25 “I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes — one
from the rising sun who calls on my name. He treads on
rulers as if they were mortar, as if he were a potter treading
the clay.
Is. 41:26 Who told of this from the beginning, so that we could know,
or beforehand, so that we could say, `He was right’? No-one
told of this, no-one foretold it, no-one heard any words from
you.



posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Gog and Magog are the symbols for the inclination of humans to make war on each other.
Gog means the system of government (military industrial complex) that sponsors a war like civilization.

Magog is the condition of violence and war that the (Gog) system inevitably comes to.



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