TSA-Style Pat Downs Hit The Streets , page 1

This is nuts, nuts nuts.. If this is true, why in the hell are we allowing this?
It really is a sad time in my once beloved country

In Philadelphia, you don’t have to visit the airport to have the government molest you, TSA-style “stop, question and frisk” pat downs are already being conducted by police on the streets targeting people who act suspicious, by doing things like putting their hands in their coat pocket.

Source

Check this video out.

This is nothing more than another attempt by the ACLU to challenge the Terry v. Ohio ruling of the Supreme Court in 1968. A 'terry' stop, otherwise known as 'stop and frisk' allows a law enforcemnt officer to stop and pat down someone, without probably cause, who they believe with reasonable suspicion that the person has commited a crime, is in the process of committing a crime or about to commit a crime.

For the sake of not boring you to death with the ins and outs of the law here is the link to the actual case:
Terry v Ohio

The Supreme Court ruled that this type of stop and frisk is not a violation of the 4th amendment protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The orginal source in this thread makes a sensational claim that a Terry stop is 'unconstituional' where the Supreme Court has held that it is in fact not in violation of the Constitution for the pas 42 years.

The issue here is pretty straight forward. The ACLU is taking advantage of the recent TSA turmoil, and the ado over the new searches, and using it to challenge a lonstanding Supreme Court ruling. They believe that the public outcry over the TSA searches will give them an edge to finally challenge Terry v Ohio successfully.

The use of Terry by law enforcement officers has not changed, but the ACLU is trying to stop it.

reply to post by ericsnow

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Speechless.

The entire justification that this guy offers is that maybe your child will get shot, so they need to frisk anyone who seems suspicious.

I am currently working 11-7am and I walk to work for the exercise carrying my lunch in a backpack. The shortest route takes me through a rough nieghbourhood but being a 6 foot, 220lb man I'm not worried, just alert.

Being winter and I'm in Canada, my hands are in my pockets and I'm walking fast.

-Late at night
-Rough area of town
-Big guy
-Carrying a 'package'
-Hands in pockets / 'hunched' (against the cold)
-In a hurry

I'd be stopped by every cop who saw me under those criteria. Since it gets cold in Philly and like most cities today people work around the clock I'd say a majority of people fit into the suspicious category.

As a side note, since most of the people being stopped are black, isn't that racial profiling?

Isn't that illegal?

(I guess being white and in my late 30's I'd only get stopped by every other cop, but then they'd see me as the typical serial killer so screwed again).

Just fantastic.



reply to post by FrancoUn-American

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Wow.

I had asked if it really was that violent but removed it after reading your post

(this was originally written for another thread that was closed and directed here while I was writting this...I just copied and pasted from the preview)

reply to post by youdidntseeme

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Acting "suspicious" these days is considered taking pictures, standing with your hands in your coat pockets in the middle of winter or maybe even whispering something to a friend on the sidewalk?
pfft, give me a break.
Well at least the ACLU is finally doing something worthwhile.

reply to post by youdidntseeme

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Statistics? what do stats have to do with news stories about people being searched and detained for taking a photograph?

Well heres one example for you but google is free, look up the rest yourself.

Artist Shirley Scheier drove to Snohomish to make the kind of picture you couldn't get in a city -- power lines against an unobstructed sky. She wound up being patted down, handcuffed and put into the back of a police car on that day two years ago, in a detention that lasted 44 minutes.

Source

reply to post by youdidntseeme

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I'm guessing:

1.Your not a black teenager
2.You don't have tattoo's on your face
3.You don't drive a Bonneville,Park Ave, or Grand Marquis
4.Your not Muslim

...They don't care about white adults unless they're drug addicts, so don't state your immunity like Philadelphia Police are up to par..

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