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reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:32 PM by Wally Hope

Hmmmm so what happens when the revolution is over?

Most people don't even understand political and economic systems, so how can we expect people to replace what we have with anything better?

A world wide revolution? But we differ on what freedom is. In America capitalism is freedom, somewhere else it's socialism. If the world does not fully understand what is going to replace the present system then nothing will really change, just like all the other revolutions thus far.

Take the last great peoples revolution, Spain starting in 1936. 10 million people from all over the world have been reported as taking part in the workers socialist revolution. The workers collectivized industry and farms, increasing production by 20% in some areas. They rebuilt the cities infrastructures and provided reliable free public transportation etc.

But these days, according to a lot of people, socialism is evil and means massive government, that the fascist system that eventually caused the revolution to fail is actually socialist.

Your revolutions success lies in who is allowed to gain the authority once the fighting is over...Until the people understand what is what then revolution will always fail, especially violent ones, because we too easily become passive and except authority for authorities sake.

Revolution starts in the mind, and in the home. First you have to realise there is no authority but yourself.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:34 PM by thewholepicture

Revolutions that start violently do and have many times over failed.

A true Revolution usually starts (somewhat) peacefully, such as protesting, refusing to comply with corrupt laws and regulations, refusing to purchase from the corrupt, and informing others of corrupt and sinister plans.

The more often this happens the more people open there eyes to what is really going on. Eventually these corrupt governments/people will feel backed against a wall and lash out. This is when the Violence usually starts, but by then there are to many people who have joined the cause that it becomes very difficult to beat them, and remember they started it, so they will be more likely seen as the wrongful ones.

If a group of people were to form now and try to beat the government, it would never succeed, as to many people would see these people as "terrorists" trying to take over our government.

Remember they still have most of the people under there control and also have all of the resources. We first need to get the support and resources then we can win if it comes to violence

as of right now, there is no way we would win with violence.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:35 PM by robertauthor

In the UK Students have protested for years ...
The recent protests have been as they say pro-active
Targeting Tory HQ and Lib Dem HQ
They have already disrupted one meeting and Government insiders have admitted
The protests have begun to sting ...

I dont condone the throwing of the fire extinguisher but then again the police charged
the protesters with horses which they later denied but the Daily Mail obtained video
and photos of this event..

So basically Government are more than willing to use strong arm tactics against peaceful protests..
Just watch the Battle for Seatle protests... So my belief is you have to disrupt ...
If you want to win .... You can do this by blockading fuel installations ... Highlighting your protest
around the Bank of England or Federal Reserve ... Bring traffic to a standstill ...
You have to bring chaos like the citizens of France will do once they march again ..
But above all soldilitary is paramount ... Support your Country and Support the people of your Country.
We are all fighting the battle in our own way but we are all in the same War...
If people are protesting in Mass ... Join in or encourage people to take a sick day off work ..
Grind the infrastructure down and give support.... Stand as one against all tyranny ...

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:35 PM by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

yes, but these are TPTB that we are dealing with. They will kill you for looking at the White House a wrong way. I'm not saying that a Nonviolent revolution will not work, but you cannot have a nonviolent revolution with the Fedral Government, the Army, the Navy Corps, and the Air force. If we all care to not abide by the law, they have the power to throw us ALL in jail.

LOL. They don't have enough jails. No, they will kill some of us; that is a given. But we have to try first.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:41 PM by mr10k

reply to post by sonofliberty1776

We already are. The amount of messages that have been thrown to the Masses. Even musicians state it in their music, but hen the next ringtone-worthy musician comes along, and BAM!
Like I said before, America as a conscienceness doensn't have the common sense to stand up for their own free-will. Of course, we tried to fight back already. Thinking that we were right in choosing Obama. Well only if the public knew in advance and cared that politics is a sham, we could have avoided the last phase. America as a whole just lacks the common sense to fight nonviolently, and stay fighting nonviolently

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:52 PM by jaamaan

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

yes, but these are TPTB that we are dealing with. They will kill you for looking at the White House a wrong way. I'm not saying that a Nonviolent revolution will not work, but you cannot have a nonviolent revolution with the Fedral Government, the Army, the Navy Corps, and the Air force. If we all care to not abide by the law, they have the power to throw us ALL in jail.

That is my whole point.
There are not enough resources to punish every one !

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 04:57 PM by mr10k

reply to post by jaamaan

Well this can go extremely deeper conversation. What if all the governments are conspiring together? What if they don't NEED the people anymore? Will they just kill us off? They have all the resources for that

But in regards to resources for this situation, do you mean food? or jails?

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:05 PM by bobs_uruncle

reply to post by TechUnique

I think there are only 100 million weapons with a few billion rounds of ammunition in possibly 20 million private hands in the US. Of those 20 million people, you can expect about 4 million have proper training and possibly up to 2 million have very serious skills. Probably only about half a million would be downright nasty if the military and police got "rude" and are capable of making their own explosive and poisons.

I would not advocate violence as a means of leveling the playing field, but what would you expect those 30 million people might do if violence was used on them and how do you think a 2 million man army is going to fair against those kinds of numbers. To make matters worse, it would probably be guerilla warfare and we know how well that worked out in Vietnam and is still working out in Afghanistan...LOL Why do you think they are trying to take your guns away?

Cheers - Dave

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:05 PM by jaamaan

reply to post by mr10k

Yes i mean pretty much all of them.
Food, jails, manpower, weapons, logistics.
All of it.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:13 PM by MrWendal

I do not think violent revolution is possible. The US government is a technological giant. We spy on our own people, we are monitored from space. Not only do I feel that violent revolution is impossible, I do not think a true resistance would have the time to form much less get organized before the Federal Government would squash it. I attempted to explore this possibility a while back in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

Needless to say I was pretty shocked at how this subject is pretty taboo. It seems to me that it is a thought that many would just rather not explore or entertain.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:14 PM by mr10k

reply to post by jaamaan

Keep in mind this situation is noviolent. If nonviolent, even if they had 1 Million guns they could still take us out enough to drop our morale down and lose. They wouldnt need food to keep us in check. By time were in jail, there will be enough cut of morale to make us lose again. they have enough logistics to keep track of every American citizen in the country and abroad. The only thing I believe they will pay for is the economy, as there wouldnt be enough people buying to balance out the import/export equation, so I see where you stand.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:16 PM by jaamaan

Maybe the most important element of this non-violent strategy is non-cooperation.
Imagine what you can do with mass non-cooperation.

The Non-cooperation movement was a significant phase of the Indian struggle for freedom from British rule.
This movement, which lasted from 1920 to 1922, was led by Mohandas Gandhi, and supported by the Indian National Congress.
It aimed to resist British occupation of India through non-violent means. Protestors would refuse to buy British goods, adopt the use of local handicrafts, picket liquor shops, and try to uphold the values of Indian honor and integrity.
The Gandhian ideals of ahimsa or non-violence, and his ability to rally hundreds of thousands of common citizens towards the cause of Indian independence, were first seen on a large scale in this movement.

SOURE

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:19 PM by mr10k

reply to post by jaamaan

Again, we are already an independant country. What do you do when the devil has worked his way into the law?

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:22 PM by sonofliberty1776

reply to post by jaamaan

Sure, the two run hand in hand. If we start with violence, we will be portrayed as terrorists. If 10,000 of us just sat down on Pennsylvania Avenue, they would get our message loud and clear. There is a good possibility that the lame stream media MIGHT even pay attention. If at the same time, a new Declaration of Independence was posted on every news site in the world, we might get some real penetration. I would be a good start imo.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:31 PM by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

Again, we are already an independant country. What do you do when the devil has worked his way into the law?

My answer

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

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reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:33 PM by mr10k

reply to post by sonofliberty1776

Well then, there's the OP's answer. We can't fight our government. We will have to make a new one.

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:34 PM by jaamaan

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

Again, we are already an independant country. What do you do when the devil has worked his way into the law?

A lot of things seem similar then and now.
Just look at the corporate interests in our governments.

What if one third of the people go on strike or stop using certain businesses for a long period of time.
What is large numbers of people stop cooperating as much as they can in every way.

This could surely do something i believe and i think history proved this,

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:38 PM by TechUnique

Originally posted by jaamaan

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

Again, we are already an independant country. What do you do when the devil has worked his way into the law?

A lot of things seem similar then and now.
Just look at the corporate interests in our governments.

What if one third of the people go on strike or stop using certain businesses for a long period of time.
What is large numbers of people stop cooperating as much as they can in every way.

This could surely do something i believe and i think history proved this,

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reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:45 PM by thewholepicture

Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by jaamaan

Again, we are already an independant country. What do you do when the devil has worked his way into the law?

Yes our Country is independent, but no longer are the citizens free

reply posted on 4-12-2010 @ 05:49 PM by chiponbothshoulders

you must consider,what those who have something to fear from a revolution consider to be violence.

somebody else tells the majority what to think.

there are no real threats,what are you led to be fearful of?.

this is where the truth lies,both within yourself,and without.