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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by TechUnique
You are of course correct that a violent revolution is impossible. It would only work if it were spontaneous - happening everywhere at once - and had the numbers behind it to make it work. The more zealous amongst us, at least in America, like to point out that we have guns. Well... I have three guns and I don't care to match their firepower to this:
Against that, my biggest weapon, a 12 gauge shotgun, just doesn't hold up.
But, and this is the painful truth that people avoid over and over again... Real "revolution" is much less violent and much more difficult. We have the means to conduct this revolution right now... all of us. But, when the rubber hits the road, few if any will agree to it.
Ghandi showed us the beginnings of the path. Modern life fills in the blanks...
If we all (those in the middle class and lower) simply opt out - we would win. If we all just refused to go to work, to purchase anything, to use our utilities, to drive our cars... If we all just turned off the system... even for a few days... Change would occur.
The beast that holds us down feeds upon our money and the sweat of our brow. We are the enablers and WE are addicted to what the beast offers us.
Violence is unnecessary when we can slay our demons simply by starving them of our own participation in their system. The real question we need to ask ourselves is not "would I take up arms"... It's "Am I committed enough to just refuse to be a part of it"?
~Heff
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by TechUnique
You are of course correct that a violent revolution is impossible. It would only work if it were spontaneous - happening everywhere at once - and had the numbers behind it to make it work
~Heff
A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time.
LOL dude. Have you ever seen combat? Have you had the lead flying over your head? I doubt it. I propose non violent actions first. As others have stated, if we starve the beast through our inaction, we can have a huge effect. If that does not work, well from time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Originally posted by seedofchucky
reply to post by wrathofall
Just roll over for them . With attitudes like this you midaswell hand it over on a silver platter.
Every Country Every nation We far out number them By a long shot. Most of there military have familys in the countries they serve who will side with family over government anyday of the week. Espically if its # hit the fan , cats outta the bag , and world wide choas.
To many cowards on ATS I guess thats why you sit behind a computer and hide with your "negativity" .
If you cant die for something you believe in and for the benifit of humanity then please crawl back in your hole and get outta the way .
We have real men who will stand up no matter what the odds against them. I will fight for the world knowing i will die with a SMILE.
What shameful soliders we have on ATS . When # hits the fan remind me not to come here to find gladiators . I'll find little teletubbies here
Yes, this is what I propose to start with.
Originally posted by jaamaan
Maybe try this:
Resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience
Resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience.
Non violence and Non-cooperation.
And a great example of how this can work we have from history with Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
LINK
Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by TechUnique
This is why there can be no such thing as a "nonviolent revolution". You DO know we are protesting already? since 9/11. And what has that accomplished? If we continue to do that it's the same thing as sitting around doing nothing at all. Protesting does nothing. It is the most weakest form of retaliation. It just does not work on a governmental scale.
Listen, if you decide to go against your government, at THAT specific nanosecond in space-time, YOU are considered a TERRORIST, a RENEGADE, a REBEL. And, trust me, there is a BIG difference between a Rebellion and a Revolution. Rewrite your title.
Originally posted by TechUnique
Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by TechUnique
This is why there can be no such thing as a "nonviolent revolution". You DO know we are protesting already? since 9/11. And what has that accomplished? If we continue to do that it's the same thing as sitting around doing nothing at all. Protesting does nothing. It is the most weakest form of retaliation. It just does not work on a governmental scale.
Listen, if you decide to go against your government, at THAT specific nanosecond in space-time, YOU are considered a TERRORIST, a RENEGADE, a REBEL. And, trust me, there is a BIG difference between a Rebellion and a Revolution. Rewrite your title.
Not doing anything is EXACTLY what we have to do. Not play a part in the corporate machine. It has been explained many times in this thread. If you don't understand then please don't argue the same point over and over again.
I do not need to rewrite the thread title..
Please take part in this thread in a constructive manner.
Brigadier: You don't think we're just going to walk out of India!
Gandhi: Yes. In the end, you will walk out. Because 100,000 Englishmen simply cannot control 350 million Indians, if those Indians refuse to cooperate.
SOURCE
Originally posted by TechUnique
reply to post by mr10k
Ok I'm not going to "Debate" with you any more.
You are making no sense to me whatsoever, It just seems like you are arguing for the sake of arguing with hardly any backing.
You win, well done.