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Originally posted by 19rn50
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
True
[People cannot "see the future" no matter how cool we'd like to think it is if they could.]
God is the one who see the future and warns the Prophet. From what I know, like seeing
a video on you-tube. Here is where the problem comes into play. The people have to
interrupt the video. Now every person see the video differently and it's meaning.
You-tube video you can check the time frame and make a predicted date.
With God a day/1000 years.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
How do you discern that "the voice of god" is just that and not your own conscience? And how do any of those things qualify as "prophecy" in any way? They all appear to be normal empathetic feelings.
Originally posted by Aggie Man God still makes prophets, only it is now spelled profits...pass the tray please.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
How do you discern that "the voice of god" is just that and not your own conscience? And how do any of those things qualify as "prophecy" in any way? They all appear to be normal empathetic feelings.
My friend, why does the voice of God have to be anything other than your own conscience?
The conscience IS the voice of God for God is within you and all around you. That which you see, hear, and feel (physically) travels to an infinite part of yourself. From deep within you comes forth a feeling (emotionally, emote) which we translate to thought, then action.
That which you do not wish to see, hear, feel for yourself, do not subject others to.
With Love,
Your Brother
edit on 4-12-2010 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Then why do you call it "god" if we have another name for it: "conscience"?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
By this definition, "god" as a separate, external entity which makes "prophets" doesn't exist.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Also, how can there be an "infinite part of yourself"? The terminology and definitions here aren't making sense.
God stopped making prophets when He realized that, if He were to send another prophet, no one would want to listen to the religious 'authorities' any more.
Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
traditionaldrummer
Then why do you call it "god" if we have another name for it: "conscience"? By this definition, "god" as a separate, external entity which makes "prophets" doesn't exist. Also, how can there be an "infinite part of yourself"? The terminology and definitions here aren't making sense.
tinfoilman - A prophet is not to be confused with a messenger or psychic. A prophet is someone that gets a revelation directly from God. Sometimes that's not always the case.
For example if you look at what Gabriel tells Muhammad he says, Oh Muhammad! Truly you are the messenger of Allah. Notice he calls him the messenger of Allah and not a prophet. Muhammad gets called a prophet anyway, but technically that's not correct. He should just be called a messenger. If either one is a prophet in this story it would actually be Gabriel. He's the one revealing the revelation.
The whole work is thus written in a nebulous rather than plainly prophetic form. So much so that,
You have hidden these things from the wise and the circumspect, that is from the mighty and the rulers, and you have purified those things for the small and the poor, and through Almighty God's will, revealed unto those prophets with the power to perceive what is distant and thereby to foretell things to come. For nothing can be accomplished without this faculty, whose power and goodness work so strongly in those to whom it is given that, while they contemplate within themselves, these powers are subject to other influences arising from the force of good. This warmth and strength of prophecy invests us with its influence as the sun's rays affect both animate and inanimate entities.
And so once again, my son, if I have eschewed the word prophet, I do not wish to attribute to myself such lofty title at the present time, for whoever is called a prophet now was once called a seer; since a prophet, my son, is properly speaking one who sees distant things through a natural knowledge of all creatures. And it can happen that the prophet bringing about the perfect light of prophecy may make manifest things both human and divine, because this cannot be done otherwise, given that the effects of predicting the future extend far off into time.
But false Christs and false prophets will arise and will make signs and wonders in order to be deceiving if possible, the chosen. But you be looking; I have foretold you everything."
Originally posted by theRhenn
reply to post by Michael Cecil
But then he goes on to say...
And so once again, my son, if I have eschewed the word prophet, I do not wish to attribute to myself such lofty title at the present time, for whoever is called a prophet now was once called a seer; since a prophet, my son, is properly speaking one who sees distant things through a natural knowledge of all creatures. And it can happen that the prophet bringing about the perfect light of prophecy may make manifest things both human and divine, because this cannot be done otherwise, given that the effects of predicting the future extend far off into time.
Originally posted by theRhennreply to post by Michael Cecil
God stopped making prophets when He realized that, if He were to send another prophet, no one would want to listen to the religious 'authorities' any more.
I dont think that's correct.
Originally posted by tinfoilman When Jesus said there would be no more prophets he meant just prophets.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
My friend, we seem to be lost on definitions. When I say God, I do not speak of a Man or even supernatural being hanging around casting judgements. To me, God is the sum total of everything in existence. I know it is intelligent due to the precise nature of this creation. I know it is infinite by the limitless bounds of everything within us and everything without us. I know it is infinitely good because everything in existence serves a purpose to make it all work.
This is the majesty of God! Every part IS infinite! You have an infitie number of universes in the palm of your hand. Look closely. First you have your skin cells. Can you count their number? No, they come into existence, live, and die all without you even noticing. The skin cells are made of molecules. Can you count their numbers? No, the combine, serve there purpose and seperate once more to form again another day. Look still closer! You have the atoms which make the molecules. Can you count their number? No, they continue on, coming and going without your knowledge. Look closer!!! They infinity in the palm of your hand you will never ever truly know! Beyond the Atom is even more layers of existence Mankind has yet to discover.
Now look up! Above you are an infinite number of stars. To the stars, YOU are like the speck on the speck on the speck on the speck of the electron. Yet, YOU are just as important and essential to the functioning of the universe as the electron is to you.
With Love,
Your Brother]
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
You're a pantheist then?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Sir, none of those things are infinite
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
You're a pantheist then?
Does it matter?
Shall we continue debating those things which neither of us can prove, or can we return to the discussion of that which we can prove such as the effects our current systems and attitudes are having on the world around us?
With Love,
Your Brother