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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by JoshNorton
But by the same logic...a NY Yankees fan could also be a member of TPTB.
One could only wish.
Then the point I'm trying to emphasize is that even if a few of TPTB are Masons, it's such a statistically small number that it's insignificant, and anyone calling NWO plots Masonic is off their rocker.
Originally posted by King Seesar
But back to your point no i don't think every member of TPTB is a mason i mean were assuming this group is smart so they would try and gain as much control in different spectrums as possible including the catholic church which i feel they have infiltrated this also includes the media, hollywood, politics ect ect and yes this includes masonry as well...
I don't know if it's overt power, so much as they have an active political agenda.
I'm also impressed that you did your research with the european branchs that indeed do alllow atheists and i was surprised you mentioned how much overt power they have in terms of politics so kudos and a star for you,
I'll agree with this... 14 of the 44 US Presidents were Masons, the last was Ford. I would turn around and say that Masonry USED to be a much large and powerful entity in the US than it is today. The height of the numbers were shortly after WWII, but there's been a significant decline in membership ever since. Yes, if you look at any of the famous Masons lists, you'll find a lot of politicians, but most if not all of the ones listed are dead. The more recent generations, the ones currently in power, were not joiners like their fathers were. So the number of Masons in public office today is a pale comparison to 50 years ago.
however in my opinion i feel masonry does or at least had political clout in America as well i mean do the math, look how many mason presidents we had and compare how many masons there are in America and the mathematical equation shows we had a rather large contintion of masons in the white house once you factor that not many people are masons..
But even if it's not by actual rank, the term "higher up" implies they have some power or control over "the rest of us", who are unknowingly and unwittingly being taken advantage of, and I have yet to hear anyone explain how exactly that would be happening, given the actual power structures in Masonry.
Also i can answer your question to a certin degree on what constitutes as a higher mason that's part of TPTB...it's a mason that is in it for nefarious reasons, that's on a whole different mind set then the rest of the masons who's goal is to use masonry as a vehicle to use the esoteric knowledge and symbolism for mind control or world power and in some cases combined the esoteric knowledge with different fourms of magik like Crowley did to further his nefarious agenda it really dosen't mater what level they are there just referred to as the higher ups...
It is an interesting and complicated subject. The terms most often used are "regularity" and "recognition". Masonic Light will probably correct me, as I usually manage to get a detail wrong here or there, but essentially "regular" lodges are those recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE). Some of the factors inherent in regularity are no atheists, no women, no discussion of religion or politics in lodge.
But i wasen't aware that european masonic bodies that allow atheists to join are not recognized by a majority of the state Grand Lodges in America intresting....
Originally posted by niceguybob
I'd never be invited.