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Originally posted by Night Star
"The Center for Immigration Studies says passage of the DREAM Act would cost American taxpayers at least $6.2 billion per year. According to CIS, at least 1.2 million illegal aliens would enroll in public colleges and universities, qualifying for in-state tuition rates. The average $6,000 in-state tuition benefit would be subsidized by the taxpayers."
Taken from: www.numbersusa.com...
Mr. Porter Corn, the President of Immigration Clearinghouse, posted the following comments beneath the video accompanied by William Gheen's home address. Corn later removed the comment when ALIPAC notified activists of the threats but screen shots can be seen in the evidence thread provided here.
"Someone should put a grenade up Willy's teddy bear ass and pull the pin." -- posted at 8:30pm EST Nov. 30, 2010 on Youtube by Borderbandit54 aka Mr. Porter Corn of Laredo Texas / President of Immigration Clearinghouse.
Originally posted by Pervius
DOD is pushing for the Dream Act because they need funding.
They think they will get a couple hundred thousand illegal immigrants to enter college with the promise of some Federal Aid/State tuition....and enslave those people with hundreds of thousands of college debt.
They think they will get revenue from that so DOD can sail it's 11 carrier battle groups. Those kids will flee the country with their degrees and how you going to collect on someone who disappeared?
Think they could collect from a surgeon who pops up in Guatemala? Other countries will see they have degrees from the US and have them change their names and issue them local degrees in the new name since they know what they are doing...as long as they work there for X amount of years.
DOD isn't exactly the smartest entity on the block. They'll do whatever they can to keep them going. Even if it's the next big scandal that bankrupts us even further. As long as we can get 1 more year having our Generals living like Kings....who are you to stop them?edit on 3-12-2010 by Pervius because: spellin
There is a difference between pride in your heritage, and refusal to assimilate. Can you truly not see that?
Originally posted by stuncrazy
are you out your freakin mind? every immigrant regardless of origination has been proud of their culture... even to this day. the irish are proud to be irish, the same goes for the scotts, etc... and this is generation after generation after generation and so on and so forth... what a blatantly bigoted comment of you sir. every man and women should be proud of their culture it is what makes us individuals and made the USA the wonderful place it has potential to be.
i weep for this country and what it has become... what was once glorified here is now shunned..
Come here, but do it the right way.Get in line behind everyone else. We NEED control of our borders.We need to round up everyone who is here illegally and send them back home. We need to make English(or American anyway ) the official language of the USA. Why do I have to push any number to converse in the national language of the country in which I live? If I moved to Mexico, I would expect to have to learn Spanish. If you come here, learn English. The Germans who came here did, same with the Italians, the Poles, the Greeks etc...
TPTB are winning and your too busy blaming your problems on people that want nothing more then to better their lives and that of their familes.
Again, I could not agree more.
it truly is a sad day.
Yes, send them home. They are not citizens.
Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Night Star
Right,
Then what do you think the Government should do with kids who were brought here and who had no say in such decision? What do you think we should do with them? Most of whom do not even know their home country and only speak English, got their High School diploma or GED by the way.
Just send them back without thinking twice about it? Send them back to countries they don't even know?
Seems like that is the new mindset of most Americans nowadays which is VERY sad.
Let me apologize I should have directed this question to everyone not just you.edit on 12/3/2010 by muse7 because: (no reason given)edit on 12/3/2010 by muse7 because: (no reason given)
CNN's Lou Dobbs, a highly educated authority on the illegal immigration crisis in our nation regularly uses a figure of "20 million" when discussing the number of illegal aliens on his broadcast "Lou Dobbs Tonight" (Monday - Friday 6 pm & 11 pm eastern time, CNN, see March 2, 2005 transcript).
In agreement with Senator McCain, we believe that an increase of 10,000 total additional illegal aliens added to the United States population each day. This reflects figures that include illegal aliens successfully entering our nation combined with those who overstay their visas. We are of the educated opinion that we are conservatively low in our estimation.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
In agreement with Senator McCain, we believe that an increase of 10,000 total additional illegal aliens added to the United States population each day. This reflects figures that include illegal aliens successfully entering our nation combined with those who overstay their visas. We are of the educated opinion that we are conservatively low in our estimation.
By that logic we get another 3.5 million per year. So let's be conservative and say 30 million total.
Now we are going to elaborate on what is required to do this,
Ok we need to round up, detain. process, deport roughly 10% of all the people in the US,
No exceptions, just due process.
I believe that with my very harsh proposal enacted many, if not most, will self evacuate. The rest are handled by law enforcement, ICE etc...
Who does it
Too many variables for a firm estimate. How long to get the new laws in effect? How long to even get the current ones enforced?
How long approximately
A lot. Billions I am sure. How much do we waste now educating them, caring for them when they are sick, giving them welfare benefits etc... What about the hidden costs of depressed wages and higher unemployment among citizens? Don't give me this BS about "Americans don't want those jobs". What you really mean is "Americans don't want those jobs at those wages".
How much in cost
We already have to heavily subsidize Amtrak. So basically we set aside cars to transfer illegals to the Texas/Mexican border since that is how many of them came here. Once across the border, well they got themselves there to get here, they can get themselves back. Break the law, suffer the consequences.
Basic logistics.
I am not an economist, but less than the money we shoveled into the TARP rabbit hole. Eventually, the states and local communities would realize savings from no longer having to support the illegal population.
Economic impact.
I am no expert either. But if we never try, we certainly will never succeed. We tried amnesty once back in the 1980's. That definitely did not work, so time for something else. Ignoring it certainly will not work.
I think it can't be done, But I'm no expert,
LOL, thanks for that.
I'm just asking for a sensible plan, not asking you to write a manifesto.
What do you think?
Best
Ziggy
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
OF course, this is not a cut and dry situation. However, as someone who have all but one of our children adopted from Latin America, I can tell you that it wasn't easy, it took a long time, significant funds, and we did it all LEGALLY. True, in many cases, the children eligible for the Dream Act, are not responsible for their situation, but it is not fair for them to get special treatment over those who have come here LEGALLY . There is, I believe (although lately I really wonder) a rule of law in this country, and when we start making exceptions, we head down that slippery slope. In addition, part of the reason for immigration quotas, is to control the effect of new citizens, based upon the ability of our ECONOMY to HANDLE them. That is the true crime regarding illegal immigration, the tremendous burden that they have placed upon the ability of state, local and federal budgets to handle them. One need only look at California to see the economic devastation in California today, due to strains on social, economic and educational budgets in that state of the illegal population there. In a perfect world, with unlimited funds, I would support unlimited immigration, but unfortunately, someone has to pay the piper, and it should not be those who struggle HONESTLY and LEGALLY to be citizens.
It isn't fair that their parents broke our laws and came here.
Originally posted by muse7
And it's also not fair for them to be sent back to a country that they don't even know, it's not like they will be granted residency status instantly as soon as the law passes. They will be given CONDITIONAL non-immigrant status for 10 years before they can apply for residency.
I might be willing to grant exemption for military service. However not for college attendance, no way! They would end up taking slots from legal citizens. So no.
In those 10 years they must attend college for 2 years or serve in the United States military, the Congressional Budget Office already released a report stating that this will affect the economy in a positive way and that it will even slash the debt deficit by $1.4 billion dollars.
No, we don't have to make an exception. They can go back to their parents country and get in line. You left out racist, terrorist. Got any more names you want to add? My problem is that their parents broke the law, and they are breaking the law as well. My humane way of dealing with it is to send them back, instead of imprisoning them.
I understand that people who are waiting in line to enter legally will be pissed, but we must make an exemption for these young people. Just like we give criminals the chance of parole after a certain period of time. The DREAM act is the humane way to deal with this issue, and unless you're a teabagger or a xenophobic right wing wacko then you shouldn't really have a problem with this.
Come on, what about fairness to the citizens who actually live here and pay taxes, that these leeches take to support their kids? What about the money they have stolen in the form of free education and welfare benefits? What about fairness to the LEGAL immigrants doing things the right way? Do we punish them for obeying our laws?
Come on folks, what happened to the America that I thought was the land of opportunity and fairness to everyone? Do you guys really want to punish children for the action of their parents?
the Congressional Budget Office already released a report stating that this will affect the economy in a positive way and that it will even slash the debt deficit by $1.4 billion dollars.
How can the budget office give a green light to a bill that commits the federal government to spending nearly $1 trillion more over the next 10 years?
The answer, unfortunately, is that the budget office is required to take written legislation at face value and not second-guess the plausibility of what it is handed. So fantasy in, fantasy out.
In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion.