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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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You really need to learn facts before posting. First the Saudis are not getting F-22 Fighters. They want to purchase F-15's, and that deal might not be approved by Congress (60 Billion arms package). The Muhajadeen was resisting the Soviets before the US got involved. We know this from a little incident called the Iran Contra Affair in addition to Charlie Wilson. The US will not sell Saudi F-22's anytime soon. Israel was looking to buy about 20-30 of them, but again I am not sure congress is going to approve that deal either.

The US supported forces already inside Afghanistan that were resisting the Soviet Invasion. The Russian Hind (Attack Helicopter) was wreaking havoc, prompting elements of the US government to supply the Muhajadeen with surface to air missiles.

Afghanistan has had a virulent history because of its location.
History of Afghanistan

Things went fine until the 1970 when a Coup took place (actually from 1970-1978 a few bloody coups took place). When things did not work out so well, the Government renewed ties with the Soviet Union, and when the coup in 1978 occured, the Soviets used the chaos to invade.



The Taliban forces were not all from Saudi Arabia, and as a matter of fact the majority of Taliban came from Pakistan and were indoctrinated in Pakistani Madrasses.


In reaction to the anarchy and warlordism prevalent in the country, and the lack of Pashtun representation in the Kabul government, a movement of former mujahidin arose. Many Taliban had been educated in madrassas in Pakistan and were largely from rural Pashtun backgrounds. The name "Talib" itself means pupil. This group dedicated itself to removing the warlords, providing order, and imposing Islam on the country. It received considerable support from Pakistan. In 1994, it developed enough strength to capture the city of Kandahar from a local warlord and proceeded to expand its control throughout Afghanistan, occupying Kabul in September 1996. By the end of 1998, the Taliban occupied about 90% of the country, limiting the opposition largely to a small mostly Tajik corner in the northeast and the Panjshir valley. Efforts by the UN, prominent Afghans living outside the country, and other interested countries to bring about a peaceful solution to the continuing conflict came to naught, largely because of intransigence on the part of the Taliban.

The Taliban sought to impose an extreme interpretation of Islam--based in part upon rural Pashtun tradition--on the entire country and committed massive human rights violations, particularly directed against women and girls, in the process. Women were restricted from working outside the home and pursuing an education, were not to leave their homes without an accompanying male relative, and were forced to wear a traditional body-covering garment called the burka. The Taliban committed serious atrocities against minority populations, particularly the Shi'a Hazara ethnic group, and killed noncombatants in several well-documented instances. In 2001, as part of a drive against relics of Afghanistan's pre-Islamic past, the Taliban destroyed two large statues of the Buddha outside of the city of Bamiyan and announced destruction of all pre-Islamic statues in Afghanistan, including the remaining holdings of the Kabul Museum.


Who are the Taliban:
Taliban

@Oooozy
Afghanistan was a moderate country for about 50 (1920-70's) years give or take. Their downfall had nothing to do with the West, but from within their own ranks, namely the 2-03 coups that took place at the end of the 1970's. US involvement came well into the Soviet Invasion, where we provided surface to air missiles to the Muhajadeen.

Once the Sovets were worn down and began to scale down, the US stopped supplying money / aid / weapons.

Whats funny about this argument is when the US finished our programs and the Soviets were on their way out, we ended our support, which pissed off resistance groups, including the Taliban as well as Osama bin Laden. So while you bitch about the US interfering and your imply the US screwed Afghanistan, you need to get your facts straight.

Afghanistan screwed themselves over, and there is no way around that in an attempt to blame the US. We left, and groups in Afghanistan got 10 types of pissed when we did. Osama Bin Laden was pissed because he wanted continued support to run his own agenda, just as the Taliban.

If you are going to make arguments, please learn the history and get your facts correct. Although, based on the arguments you guys make, I certainly see why Afghanistan is in the predicament it is in.

Now that we have debinked your latest propoganda rewrite if History, what other accusation are you guys goiung to make in a hopless effort to keep this thread and argument alive in an attempt to lend credability to your propoganda.

As a side note I would say you would be more versed with History, including your own, had the Taliban not banned education of females, and destroyed anything non Islam, destroying a right History of Afghanistan for a twisted immoral view of Islam. I point this out because I am tired of you blaming the US for actions your own countrymen did to themsleves.

Is there any particular reason, Ooozzzy, that you are hiding in New Zealnad instead of fighting to free your country from the Taliban and extremism? You said it yourself the reason you fled was because your family was from the Northern Alliance area and you feared for your safety.

I see how it can be comforting to cirticise from the comforst afforded to you by a Western NAtion. Western freedoms that you routinely denounce and blame for all the problems in your part of the world.

Instead of doing anything about it, you come into these forums and spout your propoganda. I am not sure who you hate more, the West and the US, or your own People and yourself for not making a stand. I dont think you hate the US for your stated reasons. I think you hate the US because they are doing what you were too much of a coward to do yourself, which is to make a stand and say no more.

Now, this thread is done, overwith, dead and not going anywhere else.

Your article has been debunked and info provided to prove it. Your remaining arguments have been countered with information to prove it.

I cant possibly wait to see what BS propoganda filled argument you are going to make now to justify yet anohter flight from reality.
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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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You really need to learn facts before posting. First the Saudis are not getting F-22 Fighters.


Well whatever it was, doesn't undermine the fact that that US has been and continues to make Big deals with Saudi.F-15's Eagles are nearly as good as F-22's, so doesn't really make a big difference.



and that deal might not be approved by Congress (60 Billion arms package).


We will wait and see.The fact that such a deal was considered in first place with such a 'barbaric' terrorist funding nation is what we should ponder upon.



The US supported forces already inside Afghanistan that were resisting the Soviet Invasion. The Russian Hind (Attack Helicopter) was wreaking havoc, prompting elements of the US government to supply the Muhajadeen with surface to air missiles.


Two facts, OBL and the hi-tech weaponry was brought in by US to help the mujahideen.



The Taliban forces were not all from Saudi Arabia, and as a matter of fact the majority of Taliban came from Pakistan and were indoctrinated in Pakistani Madrasses.


Indeed but the wahabist extremist ideoligy originates from Saudi and the Pakistani madrasas where the taliban rolled out from were funded by Saudis.

The US funding and support for islamists didn't end in Afghanistan.Same story was repeated in Bosnia and Chechnya.

More importantly, when one looks into the history of these organisations, somehow somwhere you will see a CIA connection.



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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Doujutsu
Well whatever it was, doesn't undermine the fact that that US has been and continues to make Big deals with Saudi.F-15's Eagles are nearly as good as F-22's, so doesn't really make a big difference.


Way to be cavalier about the facts. The F-15, while a very good combat aircraft, is not really a mtach for the F-22, which is conisdered a fifth generation aircraft. The F-15s that would be sold to Saudi Arabia would not be the current top of the line models. So yeah, there is a huge difference in what you stated, and what actually is occuring. As of now neither deal has been approved.

We also sell combat aircraft to Turkey, since they are an Ally and part of Nato. Since their recent change in attitude twards Israel I notice you ignore them as part of your argument.

Not suprising.


Originally posted by Doujutsu
We will wait and see.The fact that such a deal was considered in first place with such a 'barbaric' terrorist funding nation is what we should ponder upon.


As opposed to the Russians supplying Afghan forces with Helicopters, supplying Iran with top of the line surface to air missiles, N. Korea sharing balisitic missile technology with Iran? Nations, as you and Ooozzy are fond of pointing out, can make their own determinations on who they buy from, and what they product is they want.

Applying barbaric terrorist in parentheses is a joke. Guns, missiles, rockets, planes, warships do not kill people. People who use these items kill people. So if we are going to ponder, then its all inclusive and not limited to any one government. Hell even religion doesnt kill people. The Poor saps who cannot think for themselves are the ones who kill in the name of religion.

Any nation who has no issues burying a female chest deep and killing her by throwing rocks is barbaric. Cutting off someone head because they are not mulsim is barbaric. Killing females because they want to go to school is barbaric. Killing someone because they are not of the same religion is barbaric. Having a problem with the US Government, and killing 3000 innocent civilians from different nations on 9/11 is barbaric.


Originally posted by Doujutsu
Two facts, OBL and the hi-tech weaponry was brought in by US to help the mujahideen.


The highest technology we supplied to the Muhajadeen was the stinger surface to air missile to counter the Hinds and some of the Soviet combat aircraft. We funded the muhajadeen, which OBL was a part of at the time. The Soviets funded and supported their backers in Afghanistan, as did Pakistan and their ISI.


Originally posted by Doujutsu
Indeed but the wahabist extremist ideoligy originates from Saudi and the Pakistani madrasas where the taliban rolled out from were funded by Saudis.


I see you are trying to split hairs again and change what you origionally stated. The Pakistanis support and train the Taliban today, as they did during the 70's. You guys are the idiots who want to fight over an imaginary friend, so its even more rediculous to bitch about where the influnce is coming from, even more so when you dont do anything to stop it but try to make baseless allegations while attempting to lay blame on the US because we are allied with Saudi Arabia.

The muslim religion, in addition to Afghanistan, Iran etc have been around a whole lot longer than the United States. One would think you guys could get it together and behave as if it were the 21st century and not like its still the 9th century.

The US has nothing to do with the religion in the region. You guys beleive what you want, and continue to kill each other in the process for your 72 virgins. If its all the same we will continue to advance civilised society and look to the heavens to get off this rock. You guys can then kill each other to your hearts content.

You guys and your argument are all over the place. First the US is to blmae because we "hate" Islam. Now we are to blame because we are allied with Saudi Arabia, which allows them to fund their religious beliefs. Make up your damn minds, and once you do that point the blaming finger right back at yourself.


Originally posted by Doujutsu
The US funding and support for islamists didn't end in Afghanistan.Same story was repeated in Bosnia and Chechnya.


Bosnia... Where the US deployed forces to stop the systematic slaughter of Muslims. Funny how quickly that fact is forgotten by people like you. We fund groups that share like ideals with the US, and the other side does exactly the same. The US is not involved in Chechnya aside from voicing concern about extremists actions and Russian responses in the region.

Are you now bitching because the US is not intervening in Russia? Are you bitching about the US being involved in Bosnia to prevent the deaths of Muslims?


Originally posted by Doujutsu
More importantly, when one looks into the history of these organisations, somehow somwhere you will see a CIA connection.


And whats the other side to that coin? Could it be it takes 2 to tango. Sure the CIA recruits, as does every other intelligence network on this planet, including Al Queida and the Taliban.

How bout we take a look at Pakistani ISI and their involvement with the Taliban prior to the US invasion? Maybe the Soviet Union and the KGB, or any number of theit directorites? How about MI-5 or MI-6? Israeli Moassad or Shin bet?

Are you really naive enough to think that the CIA shows up in a country, randomly picks a person to recruit, and goes from there? The people the CIA are dealing with have made a business arrangment, to supply the CIA with the requested actions, and the CIa to supply the person with cash, guns, etc. At time these people have sought out the CIA to provide information for whatever reasons they have.

The argument you are attempting to make that the CIA is the lone gunman in all the worlds problems is laughable and does nothing but reinforces my argument that you have absolutely no idea how the world works. The arguments you and Ooozy make are so biased and lack any basic foundation its not even funny.

The hatred you guys show towards the US, all of which is derived from your ignorance on the topics at hand, says it all. The information employed to make the arguments are dubious at best and propoganda ladden from start to finish.

Food for thought.. Quit coming after innocent men, women and children from western nations, and you would not see western forces in the Middle East. The more you target the West, the more the West is going to target you.
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posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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Thanks for revealing your true colours now i can debate more appropriately.




Way to be cavalier about the facts. The F-15, while a very good combat aircraft, is not really a mtach for the F-22, which is conisdered a fifth generation aircraft. The F-15s that would be sold to Saudi Arabia would not be the current top of the line models. So yeah, there is a huge difference in what you stated, and what actually is occuring. As of now neither deal has been approved.


You like playing in circles while i like to get straight down to the point.F-15's are still formidable fighter aircrafts in todays standards and selling it to a nation where Sharia law is practised, where funds for terror are allocated and sent all across the globe and where the extremist form Islam called wahabism took birth really doesn't make sense.

You can't claim to fight for 'womens' rights, terror or freedom in Afghanistan or anywhere else if you shake hands and make deals with someone who not only practises those 'barbaric acts' but also funds others to do it.



We also sell combat aircraft to Turkey, since they are an Ally and part of Nato. Since their recent change in attitude twards Israel I notice you ignore them as part of your argument.


Turkey is nearly a secular state and their recent change in attitude towards israel is no more than a hoo-haa to keep the masses happy.Get back to me when Turkey takes practical steps to deal with israel by funding, training and arming Hamas n Co like Iran does.If we go according to what you say, than that also makes Obama a Pro-palestinian but he's not and hes made it very clear that he won't be an obstacle in israels path whether they continue building illegal settlements or target practise on pregnant palestinian women.



As opposed to the Russians supplying Afghan forces with Helicopters, supplying Iran with top of the line surface to air missiles, N. Korea sharing balisitic missile technology with Iran? Nations, as you and Ooozzy are fond of pointing out, can make their own determinations on who they buy from, and what they product is they want.


Same point i am tryna make.This war is not on Islamic extremism or any other BS we are fed via media.It's all about self interests and expansionist plans while the islamic nations are being used and abused by other greater powers for their own agendas.



Applying barbaric terrorist in parentheses is a joke. Guns, missiles, rockets, planes, warships do not kill people. People who use these items kill people. So if we are going to ponder, then its all inclusive and not limited to any one government. Hell even religion doesnt kill people. The Poor saps who cannot think for themselves are the ones who kill in the name of religion.


Weapons are not produced to decorate the art gallery, they are used to kill offensively or defensively.And you can't claim to fight a sharia law practising wahabi terrorist when you on the other hand sell and protect a nation that funds those same terrorists.



Any nation who has no issues burying a female chest deep and killing her by throwing rocks is barbaric. Cutting off someone head because they are not mulsim is barbaric. Killing females because they want to go to school is barbaric. Killing someone because they are not of the same religion is barbaric.Having a problem with the US Government, and killing 3000 innocent civilians from different nations on 9/11 is barbaric.


Saudi is on top of those nations that you mentioned above.The US's double standards and hypocrisy i don't understand by having links with such a barbarric/murdering nation.



The Pakistanis support and train the Taliban today, as they did during the 70's. You guys are the idiots who want to fight over an imaginary friend, so its even more rediculous to bitch about where the influnce is coming from, even more so when you dont do anything to stop it but try to make baseless allegations while attempting to lay blame on the US because we are allied with Saudi Arabia.


Pakistan?
Also an ally of US.While the ideoligy and funds come from Saudi the pakistanis trained these extremists to fight in Afghanistan.After the Soviet war the Pakistanis used them to fight in Kashmir against India and these guys had a massive role in fighting the Kargil war in 1999.ISI has close links with CIA and no doubt ISI had a big role in establishing taliban in afghanistan in 1995.

While Pakistan itself calls itself a democratic nation it doesn't practise Sharia law the way Saudi does and neither is Pakistan responsible for creating wahabi extremism.



The muslim religion, in addition to Afghanistan, Iran etc have been around a whole lot longer than the United States. One would think you guys could get it together and behave as if it were the 21st century and not like its still the 9th century.


One would have also thought that a country like Saudi should have been first on the list of 'axis of evil' in that sense.



The US has nothing to do with the religion in the region. You guys beleive what you want, and continue to kill each other in the process for your 72 virgins. If its all the same we will continue to advance civilised society and look to the heavens to get off this rock. You guys can then kill each other to your hearts content.


Of course US has nothing to do with it.But unfortunately US isn't in the hand of Americans, those who control US are using it to protect their illegal nation called israel.



You guys and your argument are all over the place. First the US is to blmae because we "hate" Islam. Now we are to blame because we are allied with Saudi Arabia, which allows them to fund their religious beliefs. Make up your damn minds, and once you do that point the blaming finger right back at yourself.


I think you should make your mind up first.Get a grip of your own nation which isn't even in your hands FFS.



Are you now bitching because the US is not intervening in Russia? Are you bitching about the US being involved in Bosnia to prevent the deaths of Muslims?


I am bitching about the 'war on terror' not being a 'war on terror'.



The hatred you guys show towards the US, all of which is derived from your ignorance on the topics at hand, says it all. The information employed to make the arguments are dubious at best and propoganda ladden from start to finish.

Food for thought.. Quit coming after innocent men, women and children from western nations, and you would not see western forces in the Middle East. The more you target the West, the more the West is going to target you.


I think it's best if you send this particular message to your Wahabi pals in Saudi.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Doujutsu
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Im done playing your games. Ive proven my points, along with other peope in the thread. The article is BS and misleading. The arguments supporting it are BS and misleading.

You and Ooozy both seem to think you can just argue in circles, for whatever reason though is beyond me. You guys like to play word games, and I assume it so you can appear smart and ignore the fact than your arguments were shot down.

Its the same argument all the time. Propoganda article, misleading information, unverifiable facts. A few pages of debunking the info, followed up by you and him posting newly discovered "facts" that have nothing to do with the thread, and when those are debunked, we move into yet anohter area.

Then you guys resort to I prved my point, you need to read, Im not going over that again blach blah blah. Its deflection, and smacks of desperation to justify your point of view.

This is what wehave been trying to get across to you. The Propoganda method prevailiant in certain parts of the world have no concept of what independant, verifiable, context, omissions etc are. You guys make your argument as if the secret police from Iran or Afghanistan are going to break down your door if you even disagree with Iran. You guys have not proven anything, nor have either of you been able to make an argument that has any merit at all to it.

You and Ooozy can talk between yourselves since you are both fact and reality challeneged.

Have fun
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posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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I will wait until you provide some substance regarding your claims.

I guess you haven't read well regarding the cold war


US interfered in any country which it thought was socialist or communistic. That included Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq.. not to mention many other countries around the world, in South American, East Asia, Central Asia and Africa.

Nice try though



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 06:05 AM
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This is very interesting.

But what is the big deal about selling F15s to Saudi? I don't see those planes being smuggled into Afghanistan to be manned by terrorists, so who cares? It's not like Saudi is under any threat, even if it didn't have those F-15s, no body's planning to attack it.. And anyway it's got a ton of money, it could get its planes from Russia if it wanted.. So what's the big deal? Because they're assholes to women?


No offence, Oozy, but your post just makes you look less knowledgeable- These two are writing scrolls of riveting information, and all you can say is "Your posts have no substance" to Xcathdra, of all posters, who have provided tons of information. I mean, it's your country, and you don't seem to know it as well as these two do..

It's just annoying to see those two putting so much effort into it, especially Xcathdra, and you just dismiss it all without actually saying anything meaningful..



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:03 AM
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FlyersFan. Have a deep breath, and re-read the BS you are spewing. Apart from being able to spell, your words below don't really qualify as an intelligent conversation, nor do they contribute any value. Surely you can find a more rational way of promoting your anti-islamic agenda? Your Keepers must be proud of your work?

Re-read your comments,
they say more about you than any point you are attempting to make about those you hate.


Originally posted by FlyersFan
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WRONG. Truth is truth. Islam is a sex cult. It's all there in their whacky little book - the Qu'ran. READ IT. (hold your nose as you do). The afterlife is an unending orgy for men and an eternity of whore-dom for women. It was invented by a liar and a mass murderer. It was spread at the point of a bloody sword and it destroyed many vibrant civilizations. It's full of misogynistic bunk that is bad for women. Those are facts .. not lies. They are all there in the Qu'ran and in history for everyone to see.

Originally posted by inforeal
I also want to challenge ATS to cease promoting racism, bigotry, and ignorance in the name of free speech.

Telling the truth isn't 'racism, bigotry and ignorance'. It's just the truth. It's because of free speech that the truth is heard. The problem is that you don't like the truth being spoken. You just want your twisted Islamic version of truth stated instead of REAL truth. That behavior is rather typical of Islam ... what people say must be in line with Islamic belief or shut them up by force.




posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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What was your agenda for this thread?
Why do you troll extreme muslim forums? Is it to garner ammunition for sympathy for Israel and zionism?
Why not ignore such things?
Any threads coming our way about what Israelli extremist views?
Christian Extremist views?
Anything with a balanced agruement from both sides for all to debate?

19 pages in the tread and ...

Not one mention of the Palestinian Firefighters who went to assist with the fire?

At least PM Netenyahu, sucked it up and publicly thanked them for their help.

To those spitting vile comments in both directions: Listen to yourselves folks, read some of the stuff you have spewed and think if you have portrayed a worthwhile picture of yourself. Are you part of the problem?



posted on Dec, 11 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327
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What was your agenda for this thread?
Why do you troll extreme muslim forums? Is it to garner ammunition for sympathy for Israel and zionism?
Why not ignore such things?
Any threads coming our way about what Israelli extremist views?
Christian Extremist views?
Anything with a balanced agruement from both sides for all to debate?

19 pages in the tread and ...

Not one mention of the Palestinian Firefighters who went to assist with the fire?

At least PM Netenyahu, sucked it up and publicly thanked them for their help.

To those spitting vile comments in both directions: Listen to yourselves folks, read some of the stuff you have spewed and think if you have portrayed a worthwhile picture of yourself. Are you part of the problem?


It may surprise you, It may shock you, heck...it might make your skin crawl, but not everything must be motivated by agenda. Sometimes I write things exactly as I see them. This time I saw a bunch of Muslims driven by hatred, just like Hamas, Hizbulla and other extremists. Take away their hatred, and you take away their reason for existence. This is what they teach their young generations, so no matter who you are, you need to be very concerned.


This reminds of Kritzinger's Story form the movie 'Conspiracy' (Wannsee conference – the final solution)


www.youtube.com...

Why btw have you never asked such a question on anti-Israel Zionist Jew threads ?
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posted on Dec, 14 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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I see that Israel has refused to let the same firefighters re enter Israel to attand a ceremony to thank those who helped to put out the flames.

Source

Way to go Israel



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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I think that story deserves it's own thread and line of discussion bigyin. That needs called out man. Sick.

It'll get lost in this one and ignored.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by bigyin
I see that Israel has refused to let the same firefighters re enter Israel to attand a ceremony to thank those who helped to put out the flames.

Source

Way to go Israel


Way to misinterpret the article in an attempt to portray a situation as something it was not. 7 of the 10 palestinian firefighters were approved entry. The other 3 were not because of a screwup that Israeli immidiately admitted to. The ceremony was postponed by Israel so they could get all of the Palestinian Firsefighters into Israel. The error cited was the lack of the Firefighting ID numbers for those 3 palestinian firefighters.

Israel appologized, postponed the ceremony so these Firefighters could attend and so all of them could be thanked and honored by Israel.

Yup, the actions of a despote regime.....



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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No point, the guy's brainwashed.. Let him open his silly little thread, get a million flags and stars from other people who can only read narratives, and be done with it..



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by bigyin
I see that Israel has refused to let the same firefighters re enter Israel to attand a ceremony to thank those who helped to put out the flames.

Source

Way to go Israel


Way to misinterpret the article in an attempt to portray a situation as something it was not. 7 of the 10 palestinian firefighters were approved entry. The other 3 were not because of a screwup that Israeli immidiately admitted to. The ceremony was postponed by Israel so they could get all of the Palestinian Firsefighters into Israel. The error cited was the lack of the Firefighting ID numbers for those 3 palestinian firefighters.

Israel appologized, postponed the ceremony so these Firefighters could attend and so all of them could be thanked and honored by Israel.

Yup, the actions of a despote regime.....


Dude, by all means make up any story you like that fits your agenda....... but the article I refered to makes no mention of what you say.

What the article says is that the same people were allowed into Israel when the fire was raging with no trouble whatsoever ..... presumably because the Israelis were begging for help from anyone.

Now when the situation has passed and normal procedures are back in place these heros are treated in the usual #ty way and denied entry.

If Israel was so concerned about them at the time. I'm sure a swift phone call to whoever was in charge could have sorted the problem out right away.

Of course Israel can later make up excuses and grovel all it wants, but the damage is done.

Deal with it.

If I was the firefighters I would tell Israel to stick there award up their sick arse.



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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How hard was to find another source

www.ynetnews.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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If they were celebrating, it isn't any different then the dancing Israelis at 911.
I bet any victims families from 911 would like to have gotten them in a room alone
to wipe the happy feet right off them...


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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Then maybe you should go back and actually read the entire article before taking just a headline. This is your link:

Your link

The opening sentences to your article:


Israeli officials on Tuesday canceled a ceremony planned to honor the Palestinian firemen who assisted in battling the Carmel fire last week, after a number of crew members were refused permits to cross the border.


Whats that it says, canceled a ceremony planned to honor palestinians because a few did not have permits.

Lets see, were they all stopped from crossing? Lets check your article - second paragraph


Palestinian Fire Services Commander Ahmed Rizik said that he and his staff were surprised to learn when they arrived at the checkpoint that only seven out of the 10 fireman would be granted entry into Israel, although all of them had been allowed in at the time of the disaster.


Hmm only 7 of 10.

Did the Israelis try to correct the problem? Lets see, again from your article:


The Israel Defense Forces said that the permits were denied due to a bureaucratic mistake, explaining that the list of names was processed without the firefighters' identification numbers attached.

The army said it was now working on getting the honorees the correct permits.


Yup,they are fxiing the mistake they made and admitted to. The ceremony was canceled until they could get all of the Palestinian Firefighters who assisted to the ceremony thanking them for their help.

I fail to understand how you can make your claims, cite your source, yet completely and totally not read or comprehend any of it, except for those parts that only support your narrow view intended to make ISrael look bad because you simply hate them.

Yahooo News
al arabya
Boston.com


Eleven Palestinians were invited to attend the event in northern Israel, where the fire raged earlier this month.

Ahmad Tibi, an Israeli Arab lawmaker who helped organize the event, said the fete was called off when three of the Palestinians were refused entry.


Ynet news


Responding to the embarrassing incident, Knesset Member Ahmad Tibi slammed what he called "a disgrace." Tibi, who organized the ceremony, decided to postpone it to another date.

Civil Administration officials said they immediately approved the firemen's request to enter Israel, yet as a result of a technical failure the ceremony was put off.

"The technical mishap was corrected immediately after it became known," one official said. Following the incident, General Razik was summoned for a meeting at the Civil Administration chief's office in order to discuss the issue.

Despite the regrettable mishap, Razik stressed that the incident "would not prevent Palestinian firefighters from continuing to offer aid in various disasters, whether they take place in Israel or elsewhere."


AP Article


"They (the military) told me there is a mistake and that they didn't mean it," Rizek said. "I am not upset. I can understand there is something wrong. I don't know what it is, but I don't think they meant it."

Rizek attended a ceremony last week in Jerusalem at the official residence of Israel's president in honor of foreign firefighters who helped put out the blaze.




So yeah.. Next time read the article you cite from.





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posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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Do those same families get the exact same ability to do that to the Palestinians who were dancing in the street in the west bank and gaza?

Or is it just reserved for those pesky Israelis?



posted on Dec, 15 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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There is no need for me to make Israel look bad.


They do an excellent job of that themselves





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