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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Amazing btw

Financial experts worldwide are still scratching their head and debating on the complexities that lead to 2008 nerfdom...




Amazing btw that some people here still are believing in the BS from the head-scratching-financial-experts!!

Amazing btw - and more scary is that some people here are still naive and clueless regarding the Wall Street fraud!



And no! most "financial" experts worldwide are NOT scratching their head over this - only the Americans and the American media!


BTW! I love when people in America always are using the word: Worldwide, World series, World championships etc to describe something which mostly and often is soley a specific American phenomenon or event!

I especially love the use of this word regarding the World Series Baseball or World Championship of American Football!


It's rather funny if you ask me!






posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Chevalerous

BTW! I love when people in America always are using the word: Worldwide, World series, World championships etc to describe something which mostly and often is soley a specific American phenomenon or event!

I especially love the use of this word regarding the World Series Baseball or World Championship of American Football!



Hehe yeah I've noticed that too - here in Australia when we say World Cup Cricket we actually do mean the world. I have never ever seen a "World Cup Baseball" match played anywhere OTHER than the U.S. and mainly comprising of U.S. teams, and good luck playing a game of American football here lmao.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Chevalerous
And no! most "financial" experts worldwide are NOT scratching their head over this - only the Americans and the American media!


Confused world
I guess it sucks when reality messes with your worldview...which come to find out isnt a world view but rather a prejudice review.


Leaders attending the G-8 and G-20 meetings in Canada will debate – and inevitably disagree – on several issues impacting the global economy. Germany's austerity program and its ban on naked short selling are among them.


Sorry mate, but I put you on the exact level as the people in America whom are waving flags at democrats and screaming how America is number 1.

same level, different country. My advice to them, and you is simple.
Learn and listen...the more you yell, the less you think.



I will agree with you about the baseball thing though...always thought that was stupid..but oh well, I didn't name it the world series...so whatever. Sounds a bit better than "the participating states, to include some independent nations outside but supported by the united states series"...banner space and whatnot.


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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
good luck playing a game of American football here lmao.


Only because we would simply kick your ass in a game of american football

or boxing



sports is totally open game to become ultra nationalistic about
-paints a flag on his head and holds a big #1 fingerglove up-



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Kryties
good luck playing a game of American football here lmao.


Only because we would simply kick your ass in a game of american football

or boxing



sports is totally open game to become ultra nationalistic about
-paints a flag on his head and holds a big #1 fingerglove up-


LOL, not going to get into that - but to say that our football players don't wear armour. I'd love to see your blokes try and play a real man's football game



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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When did the "Global Financial Crisis" become an American made, or American only problem?

The problem was created because greedy people saw an oppurtunity to make more money. Then other greedy people saw this happen and took part. These greedy people happen to live in every major country in the world.

The reason it started in the US was because one greedy person convinced another greedy person to make a rules change that would have allowed it.

IF IT HADN"T STARTED IN THE US IT WOULD HAVE STARTED SOMEPLACE ELSE.

Greedy people are like that, they know no boundry.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Kryties
good luck playing a game of American football here lmao.


Only because we would simply kick your ass in a game of american football

or boxing



sports is totally open game to become ultra nationalistic about
-paints a flag on his head and holds a big #1 fingerglove up-


LOL, not going to get into that - but to say that our football players don't wear armour. I'd love to see your blokes try and play a real man's football game


The closest you got is Rugby.
We also play rugby stateside...its called "kill the man with the ball" and is played in our elementry schools.

We prefer a bit of sophistication with our ballgames.

-ducks-



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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You're treading a fine-line ol' boy


Don't worry, the Brits have it worse than us: they think soccer is football. Bloody soccer....



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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What the rest of the world can't stomach about USA is the hypocracy.

Through the 1980s and 1990s USA went around whipping and bullying smaller nations to conform to free trade rules which suited exploitation of their economies by US corporations. Such nations were imposed upon to adopt financial disciplines which USA did not apply to itself. Those smaller nations through Africa, the Pacific and Asia etc suffered social dislocation, adverse trade prospects and unemployment to placate Washington and the World Bank.

Meanwhile at home, USA embraced reckless cut throat capitalism where US banks were able to raise capital against junk securities up to 200 times the value of actual capital backing those securities. USA created a massive credit bubble purely for greed and maintaining maximum employment and personal affluence at home.

Then when the US economy imploded it dragged down all the Western economies with it. People in those smaller nations who made sacrifices for US trade interests are now paying twice, suffering for events beyond their control in a country which knowingly embraced immoral and unethical conduct.

The real insult is that White Christian Republicans in particular who see nothing wrong in the immorality of American Capitalism take the high ground and dismiss other countries for being godless.

P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E

Take a good long look in a mirror America and see if you can find a conscience.

The American way suits Americans but foir the rest of the world is a giant pain in the arse



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson

Through the 1980s and 1990s USA went around whipping and bullying smaller nations to conform to free trade rules which suited exploitation of their economies by US corporations. Such nations were imposed upon to adopt financial disciplines which USA did not apply to itself. Those smaller nations through Africa, the Pacific and Asia etc suffered social dislocation, adverse trade prospects and unemployment to placate Washington and the World Bank.

Meanwhile at home, USA embraced reckless cut throat capitalism where US banks were able to raise capital against junk securities up to 200 times the value of actual capital backing those securities. USA created a massive credit bubble purely for greed and maintaining maximum employment and personal affluence at home.


Here is the problem

Our entire elected government has some pretty basic functions
1) to keep us free...free in the context of...defended from foreign armies trying to come over and take over.
2) to let us speak our mind whenever we want
3) to do whatever it takes to make our economy favorable to grow.

the issue your discussing is the 3rd..written in the constitution and a core principle behind the nation as a whole. Now, how its gone about is certainly open to criticism, however, the government will never be elected to try and make things fair in the world...the government of the united states has the specific job to think of the US and nothing but the US in regards to wealth.

So, there will never be a change...the only way to change the behavior of this core understanding, 235 years on, is to basically exterminate the entire continent and remove the basic capitalism aspect of America...and that simply won't happen because pretty much every powerful nation on earth is equally entrenched now with the US's survival and mindset.

In every game, there are winners and losers...a pawn in a chess game can demand the game sucks, but after throwing a tantrum and shaking its fist...he is still a pawn in a chessgame played by others.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson

The American way suits Americans but foir the rest of the world is a giant pain in the arse


I love it!! May I pinch that for use elsewhere?



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

In every game, there are winners and losers...a pawn in a chess game can demand the game sucks, but after throwing a tantrum and shaking its fist...he is still a pawn in a chessgame played by others.


It is quite possible for two or more pawns to cause a stalemate, even a checkmate. I generally use a Pawn and a Tower to trap the King into a corner and render him unable to move though.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by SaturnFX

In every game, there are winners and losers...a pawn in a chess game can demand the game sucks, but after throwing a tantrum and shaking its fist...he is still a pawn in a chessgame played by others.


It is quite possible for two or more pawns to cause a stalemate, even a checkmate. I generally use a Pawn and a Tower to trap the King into a corner and render him unable to move though.


one final problem

the game is rigged. :-\



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Ahhh yes, those pesky magnets under the table......

What one requires is a unifying force that can overcome such an obstacle.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Yes yes, the rest of the world was managing their money in a responsible manner. It was only the US spending more than it could afford.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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No, it was primarily the U.S. gambling peoples mortgages on derivatives that blew the global economy up. Nice try though.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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The reason everyone "cries" to the US when there is a problem is because they created the system and monopolized it. Fact. The only ones who can fix the problems are generally the ones who created it in the first place.

Dominating the world has undesirable side-effect.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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I find it quite interesting that the US is so often criticized when any time someone is in trouble they come crying to us.


You've been listening to that Limbaugh guy haven't you. And Hannity. And O'Really. And Beck. These guys continually cite the two wars in the twentieth century as though the conditions that lead to our involvement in them are still valid. They are not. Europe has said time and again that they do not want our involvement. Why? Because we have a habit of sending our CIA to mess with other nations and everyone knows it. Right now people are dying and lies are being spread through the agents of the CIA in various countries. To protect American interests? This is not the proper way to do that. It is patently dishonest and vile. America has long since abandoned the high ground it once stood upon.

Sure I care about my country and that is why I can stand and tell her when she is off her path. This is what a patriot does.

You are wrong.


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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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No it wasn't.

As far as the EU is concerned, it was people wanting to retire earlier and earlier every year, wanting more and more benefits, and there not being enough money to pay for them, that led to a financial crisis.

The people marching in the streets in France or Greece or England don't have America to blame.

They want retirement and full pension at 55? They damn well better find a way to pay for it that doesn't bankrupt their respective nations.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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I guess it sucks when reality messes with your worldview...which come to find out isnt a world view but rather a prejudice review.


I'm sorry to say this my friend but you don't know what you're talking about - I wonder who the one is, who is living in LaLa Land tripping on pure fantasies - Crazy Frog?


You shouldn't smurf around with main stream media links which has abolutely nothing to say about what triggered and led to the economic crises in early September 2008 (which started 2007) - because some people can perceive you as being a delusional frog for doing so, so please try to stay away from magic mushrooms.


The article is talking about the austerity programs AFTER the crises which America brought upon the world.

AND it is talking about the banning of naked short selling because naked short selling was used by American financial institutions and their hedge funds in London as economical warfare with bettings against the Euro trying to destabilise and destroy the European politicians effort to stabilise the European market and the bettings which was made by Goldman Sachs against greece.

And that was really funny since Goldman sachs were the ones that worked with Greece financially before the crises and got them into that mess and then was betting against them with insider knowledge.

But all those bets went to hell in the end for Goldman Sachs and their pals in London since the EU and the G20 group finally stopped and hindered, and even threatened to close them and hedge funds in London from operating - if they didn't stop destroying the financial stabilisation efforts.

And it's very obvious that you don't know nothing about the primary chain of events and fraud which occured and triggered the worldwide finacial crises from the beginning due to weak and fraudulent underwriting practice with fraudulently stamped fake AAA ratings on worthless derivative & financial instruments when these toxic papers were sold and repackaged back-and-forth through and between a chain of Wall Street institutions (and with every sell a higher leverage and higher value like excess bank leverage at 40 to 1) which derived from the actions from a handful of greedy investment Banks on Wall Street and their morally corrupt henchmen before they were sold as first class AAA financial instruments overseas.

And the foreign bailouts which then followed were to foreign state pension funds and some of the largest bond mutual funds in the world etc, trying to get their money back after being sold fraudulent investments.


Greenspan admits financial crisis was caused by fraud & criminal actions.



Alan Greenspan: The Banks Robbed You
market-ticker.org...

The Great Geithner Coverup of The Fraud Behind The Financial Meltdown - Keeping The Information And Truth Away from The Public - It's All About The Public's Confidence





The Ongoing Cover Up of the Truth Behind the Financial Crisis May Lead to Another Crash

William K. Black – professor of economics and the senior regulator during the S & L crisis – says that that the government’s entire strategy now – as during the S&L crisis – is to cover up how bad things are (“the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts”).

There has been no honest examination of the crisis because it would embarrass C.E.O.s and politicians . . .

www.globalresearch.ca...


LoL! So much for your American financial experts "worldwide" scratching their heads eh!



I will write this very slow and spell it out for you so you'll hopefully understand?



It Was Fraud Behind The Financial Crises Which Originated From The US





Sorry mate, but I put you on the exact level as the people in America whom are waving flags at democrats and screaming how America is number 1.


Oh My Gawd! what horror!
oh noes! not with the Glenn Beck crowd!


That's some very cruel words my froggie friend!





same level, different country. My advice to them, and you is simple. Learn and listen...the more you yell, the less you think.


I see, feeling superior are we?


Quite some talking and condescending tone coming from an outerspace frog! smug much?

No one is yelling! and I don't doubt that the omniscient Herr. Saturnus Frog have several of things to teach us and the rest of the humanity in general.

However, here back on Earth! the real non fictional chain of events and the real reason which triggered the world financial crises from Wall Street and its chain reaction over the world is definitely and obviously NOT one of those things we can learn from you!

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