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posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:15 AM
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Myself, I'm 7/8 Scandi-aryan and 1/8 Indo-aryan, but then Aryan-Pride has a somewhat political incorrectness to it, so I rather call myself viking.

Were probably all semi-nomadic and of mixed race; our new history tells us: most of our old history was/is wiped out and falsified by jews and christians!

This minority-pride idea is just dis-info and collective brainwashing. If you don't know your roots, what is there then to be proud of...? If you're in a the-colour-of-my-car-is-silverish-pride-club, you are probable to be less concerned about the Mazda-haters!

On school or wiki or whatever, you learn Norwegian people are of a German race-origin; that is wrong! It's the other way around! Historians are not able admit that their roots are not domestic but nomadic - it would be a fact too complicated to be popular!

If you take a map and put a line from Norway through Sweden, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, Nepal, Bhutan, Burma, Laos, and Vietnam;
-you have the not-documented-in-history Viking trading route! North of the Romans and Arabs, south of the Mongols, and Chinese...
The original (famous) Norwegian stave-churches, was built by people worshiping the old Norse gods - not the christians!
The building style was identical to many Buddhist and Zoroaster temples of that period.
Compare images.travelpod.com...
with images.travelpod.com...

Even today maintenance and restoration on the roof tiles of the Norwegian stave-churches are done by specialists from Thailand.

Now I'm gonna eat pork-chop-kebab and celebrate that I belong to the acquired antithrombin deficiency-pride group, and not to the black and blue-pride group!
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posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:18 AM
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Where did you pick this garbage up from? White Guilt Awareness day at your local University? Amazing how White People act as a convenient scapegoat for the ills faced by minority groups. Well the truly astounding part is that people accept this as fact without thinking about what they are being taught...
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posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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Lets talk about racism...

If I dumbed myself down a few notches I could easily be racist. I have experienced more racism in the last few years of my life than I ever did as a boy which has opened my eyes up to such stark realities.

I grew up with friends of all types...as most kids in southern california do. Learned how to play ball on the streets with the wannabe homies...no blood no foul.

Have some awesome sports memories with asian dudes, mexican dudes and white dudes. Was lucky enough to be flatbacked by a black kid that went pro.

Had best friend indian kids whos parents didn't know a lick of english.

I was chased by skin heads and have been in fights with biker gangs. Ive seen bikers straight bloody the face of some poor drunk mexican kid because he said the wrong thing.

Also been in fights with mexican only gangs.

Its safe to say I hate gangs and their mentality. Dont read to much into that. I had an easy childhood compared to most people. Just wanted to clear that. Just giving some context.

I was a white kid being raised by a dad who didn't have much of a problem with throwing the "N" word around when someone of another color pissed him off, but dont worry he was just as harsh on the white trash folks.

My childhood heroe because of his skill and determination was Jackie Robinson. The first book I can remember reading was on him. Great picture book where the baseball talked to him and helped him through his adversities.

I used to have almost a kind of guilt from all the things we learned about in the civil war; all the horrific things that happened to so many innocent people.

Today, I #ing hate it when someone calls me a white boy.

You want to see racism today? Go on a basketball court with all black dudes and compete. See how much they like you as a white boy. Theres been a number of occasions where I basically just sat there and took # because I like to play hard. And if you are better and they know it they are going to give you #. Not always of course. Some are more than willing to give props. The worse ones are the black guys that think they are so good just because they are black, but in reality they suck!..haha..those guys always are good for a laugh...And to be fair I have only ran into younger cats that act like this. Ive never had any problem with an older black dude on the court. That should be mentioned. It seems many young black guys walk around with a chip on the shoulder. At least that has been my experience. But the mentality of I should be better than you because of some stupid sterotype is disgusting.

But getting on with it... those same guys that think they are so good because of the color of their skin wear t-shirts with Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X and Barack Obama on the front with some kind of quote like "the dream has been realized" or something or other...signifying the three men are equal (Ive seen this shirt twice on dudes in a gym and both time those same dudes tried starting #). But, WTF? Barack Obama is equal to Martin Luther King Jr.? WTF? Are you kidding me? The man who almost single handidly ushered in equal social rights for all people (not just blacks) in the United States ...a truly great man is being compared to Barack Obama and Malcolm X? WTF!? This to me is a slap in the face to Martin Luther King Jr.

But, who am I to say anything? One, I don't care enough and two its a free country...they can wear whatever damn shirt they want. But it is this mentality and ignorance that breaks down ones civility and starts to create generalizations of an entire race. Its a slippery slope and its easy to get caught making generalizations based on experience. To be completely honest I have not actually met a lot of really intelligent succesful black men. Personally it seems to me there are a much higher number of more intelligent and productive black females than many of the men. The ones I have seen and hold in high regard I mostly see on tv or the news. Its a sad case that the younger generation black kids are so overwhelmed in this stupid rap game cool wannabe tough guy act that alot forget what their parents and older generations worked so hard for.

Luckily, I realize generalizations are just as ignorant as some of the acts I have witnessed so I don't let myself fall into those "stupid traps" if you know what Im sayin... At any rate there is one thing I have come to realize in this world. There are stupid people. And there are good people who do stupid things. I myself have been known to do a stupid thing or two. I can recognize that stupidity all to well. I know those people come in all shapes, colors and sizes. So when Im stupid, I apologize. And when someone else is stupid I try to forgive.


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posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:23 AM
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You want more white pride!
Are you for real look at the amount of snow outside already!



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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Anyway....

It's not funny being the only green guy in a room full of greys!
-There will be bullying and you know it! It's an all natural group-instinct.

Because if you support the preservation of those who look like yourself and the destruction of those who do not;
you're genes are most likely to survive in the future.

But then, mixing "race" can fast forward the evolutionary advancement of your genes, but on the other hand also corrupt them, -so that one is a gamble...
edit on 3-12-2010 by nakiel because: using the same word twice in one single sentence is not pretty...



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:40 AM
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The "fact" that 'white = racist' has become so ingrained in our psyche makes it difficult for me to even respond to this thread.

I've often wondered to myself why the double standards?

I'll give a couple of examples and then I'll go stand in the corner and expect to vilified in short order.

#1) Cable channel BET (Black Entertainment Television). I have no particular problem with it other than to say that if were WET (White Entertainment Television) that it would be promptly pulled off the air and anybody associated with it labelled racist. Black Entertainment, good. White Entertainment, racist. Has it happened? No, but do you have any doubt that it would?

#2) I live in Toronto. One of, if not THEE, most multicultural cities in the world. We pride ourselves on it. Race is not a hugely divisive issue here. But having said that, sometimes I walk into a business (it could be anything - fast food, retail, etc) and the entire staff is non-white, mono-cultural. If a white business owner were to staff his establishment entirely with white Europeans he would find himself in very deep, very hot water, very quickly. There are Human Rights Commissions in this country and province that deal almost exclusively with matters like this. Again, my only issue with it is - why is one racist and one totally acceptable? I honestly don't understand it.

As as 3rd generation caucasian Canadian, I have a problem with a society that says every other culture around me may be celebrated, but not mine. Mine is racist, even though I am not. If I am a business owner of colour and staff my establishment with nothing but people from my own background, it's to be commended, but if I'm a white business owner and only hired white workers, I'm racist and must be punished.

I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:52 AM
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I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.


What sins do you speak of? Purchasing black slaves from a culture that already enslaved their own people long before the white man ever showed up?



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:54 AM
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I really don't want this to become ugly, but can you explain what hardships or cultural inhibitors have prevented Caucasians from succeeding? Maybe you know of an example of a Caucasian's idea being stolen by someone of African or Indian descent that kept them fron being successful?



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by lildaddy985
reply to post by mayabong
 


I really don't want this to become ugly, but can you explain what hardships or cultural inhibitors have prevented Caucasians from succeeding? Maybe you know of an example of a Caucasian's idea being stolen by someone of African or Indian descent that kept them fron being successful?


I can think of a black man who holds the title of commander and chief. I can also think of many very successful black actors, musicians and athletes... But yes the white man is holding all the poor black people down. Such a shame and you know what, just because im white, I shouldnt be able to be proud AT ALL so the black people can keep their excuse ...I mean injustice alive... I mean valid ....I mean current? Screw it.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewJay


I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.


What sins do you speak of? Purchasing black slaves from a culture that already enslaved their own people long before the white man ever showed up?


What they may have started, Europeans perfected and exported. Look, I know some people in this thread are here to deny history and deny the impact that racism and slavery has had, particularly on US culture. I'm not one of them. I fully grasp African history and how it dovetailed with the story of US slavery.

My point is simply that, having acknowledged that, for most of us, it's time to move on. The time of individual accusations may have past but we're still pointing fingers at each other, culturally and racially. It's unfairly demonizing one and holding the other back.

I would just like for equality to mean equality.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by Nyteskye

Originally posted by AndrewJay


I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.


What sins do you speak of? Purchasing black slaves from a culture that already enslaved their own people long before the white man ever showed up?


What they may have started, Europeans perfected and exported. Look, I know some people in this thread are here to deny history and deny the impact that racism and slavery has had, particularly on US culture. I'm not one of them. I fully grasp African history and how it dovetailed with the story of US slavery.

My point is simply that, having acknowledged that, for most of us, it's time to move on. The time of individual accusations may have past but we're still pointing fingers at each other, culturally and racially. It's unfairly demonizing one and holding the other back.

I would just like for equality to mean equality.


For the record, that quote was the only part of your post that I didnt agree with. You still got a star out of me.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 05:59 AM
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Simplest way to really understand what the OP is getting at is doing the following experiment:

Take a black guy, place him in a "Black Pride" shirt.
Take a white guy, place him in a "White Pride" shirt.
Take an oriental guy, place him in a "Yellow Pride" shirt

Place them out in the public, like in front of Wal-Mart, Win Dixie or in a shopping mall.

Now, which one do you think will get boos and evil looks?

If you guessed the white guy in the "White Pride" shirt, you sir just won an internet. Congrats. Now don't come here and tell me that there's nothing wrong with being white, because there obviously is. The OP's question asks why.

I'd also like to know. I'm white, I'm proud. My daughter is half white/oriental and she's proud. Don't like it? Get over it.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 06:03 AM
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White pride to me is honoring your father. Some one who worked hard at his job and kept it because of hard work, not because of equally oppurtunity laws. I know non-whites work hard also. When I see young white boys emulating a different culture other than there own, like the rap thug look, I take offense at the fact that the person is ashamed of their culture and they would try to be something different.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by lildaddy985
I really don't want this to become ugly, but can you explain what hardships or cultural inhibitors have prevented Caucasians from succeeding? Maybe you know of an example of a Caucasian's idea being stolen by someone of African or Indian descent that kept them fron being successful?


I don't know about the latter, but as to the former, here's a partial list of the "hardships and cultural inhibitors" my family has dealt with in the past six or seven generations.

- Religious persecution
- Political persecution
- Impressment and forced conscription in at least 5 conflicts
- Denial of voting rights
- Denial of land ownership
- Starvation and famine
- Confiscation (theft) of lands
- Confiscation (theft) of family heirlooms
- Punishment for speaking their native language
- Denial of education
- A punishment of transportation for petty crime, dealt out without legal representation
- Forced forfeiture of children to the state

Is that enough? Can I feel a bit of pride in my ancestors that survived, and a mix of sorrow and pride for my ancestors that didn't?

Frankly, your answer doesn't matter. I do have pride in my ancestors, and in my culture - mutt though I may be - and there's absolutely nothing you can say that's going to change that.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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Ziggy please, step up. This is the oldest strawman argument in the world.
If you're actually suggesting that 'white' people in this country have it tough because of the civil rights movement and Equal opportunity laws, you are being willfully ignorant.
Let's assume we live in a representative democracy. One way to get an incredibly revealing understanding of how tough 'white' folks have it in this country is to stop and look at the ethnic makeup of Congress. Pretty clear who runs the show isn't it?
So here's my prophecy, keep on espousing 'white' pride... even as this country, true to its founding principles welcomes those who can contribute, no matter their race, creed or color.
And then, in 20-50 years, when you're a minority... and you've been hatefully trying to deny other folks their rights as U.S. citizens... don't be surprised when you suddenly find yourself a real minority, and those who you refused to welcome... turn out to be as ignorant or as hateful as you.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by Nyteskye

Originally posted by AndrewJay


I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.


What sins do you speak of? Purchasing black slaves from a culture that already enslaved their own people long before the white man ever showed up?


What they may have started, Europeans perfected and exported. Look, I know some people in this thread are here to deny history and deny the impact that racism and slavery has had, particularly on US culture. I'm not one of them. I fully grasp African history and how it dovetailed with the story of US slavery.

My point is simply that, having acknowledged that, for most of us, it's time to move on. The time of individual accusations may have past but we're still pointing fingers at each other, culturally and racially. It's unfairly demonizing one and holding the other back.

I would just like for equality to mean equality.


The trouble is people are brainwashed with white folks being the bad folks from the slavery days.
Yet most of the slave trade (duration, quantity and harshness) was Arabs who enslaved the blackman and giving him/her a much rawer deal in the process (harems for the women, army for the blackman).

I think that, in a way, there is an unfair 'logic' as to why white pride is so reviled and surpressed.

After WW2 the ptb basically didn't want white folk to be empowered on their race alone (for better or worse) so put into place a bewildering array of distractions, silence(from the media and teaching establishments) and equality laws.
You could say this is a good thing as it could be argued it's to prevent any total war faction arising and causing mass bloodshed. But like most things, it's a blanket punishment.

HOWEVER it seems to of back-fired as races that aren't white are starting to somehow 'pick-up' on this, along with a subtle anti-white media operation that seems to be getting carried away with itself.
So now the balance of 'white = right' has swung way down to 'whitey = nasty'.
While some folks who aren't white may secretly laugh and feel justified that 'karma' has swung around to correct the sins of the forefathers, this isn't lost on a growing number of of white folk.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by Nyteskye

Originally posted by AndrewJay


I'm not racist in the least, but I'm growing tired of being made to feel like it. I honestly feel that, at times, current generations are being made to pay for the sins of our forefathers from decades, if not centuries, ago.

It's getting old.


What sins do you speak of? Purchasing black slaves from a culture that already enslaved their own people long before the white man ever showed up?


What they may have started, Europeans perfected and exported. Look, I know some people in this thread are here to deny history and deny the impact that racism and slavery has had, particularly on US culture. I'm not one of them. I fully grasp African history and how it dovetailed with the story of US slavery.

My point is simply that, having acknowledged that, for most of us, it's time to move on. The time of individual accusations may have past but we're still pointing fingers at each other, culturally and racially. It's unfairly demonizing one and holding the other back.

I would just like for equality to mean equality.


The trouble is people are brainwashed with white folks being the bad folks from the slavery days.
Yet most of the slave trade (duration, quantity and harshness) was Arabs who enslaved the blackman and giving him/her a much rawer deal in the process (harems for the women, army for the blackman).

I think that, in a way, there is an unfair 'logic' as to why white pride is so reviled and surpressed.

After WW2 the ptb basically didn't want white folk to be empowered on their race alone (for better or worse) so put into place a bewildering array of distractions, silence(from the media and teaching establishments) and equality laws.
You could say this is a good thing as it could be argued it's to prevent any total war faction arising and causing mass bloodshed. But like most things, it's a blanket punishment.

HOWEVER it seems to of back-fired as races that aren't white are starting to somehow 'pick-up' on this, along with a subtle anti-white media operation that seems to be getting carried away with itself.
So now the balance of 'white = right' has swung way down to 'whitey = nasty'.
While some folks who aren't white may secretly laugh and feel justified that 'karma' has swung around to correct the sins of the forefathers, this isn't lost on a growing number of of white folk.



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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That's called global warming

second line



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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, Sorry friend but I know what this thread is designed to do, divide us. This question of race will cause division and pride will cause ppl to deny truth because of bias. I chose to humor the OP and bring up the old mode of thought. That way I can destroy it myself.

White people have slowly been making progress in light of recent history. Affirmative wasnt that long ago. I am hispanic and I do not care for nor do I judge on race; or judge for that matter period. Never been to Canada but I know white people have been introducing themselves into more traditional minority settings.

LOL plz do not think of me as a bigot or pocket racist, I am just stating the mentality that the OP wishes to assess with this thread. Being that I know of the mentality and come from it I decided to manifest for all who are not of it. Level the playing field. Tell you the truth all we need is money and we can get along without understanding. Only color that matters is green. peace

I like to have fun with race, "why so serious?"







Originally posted by juniperberry

Originally posted by fonenyc
Instead of the white man clanning together let the white man be a part of a diverse community.


Uh hello. You've never been to Vancouver BC have you? It is not the "white folk" that are "clanning" together. It is the Italians, French, Persians, East and West Indians, etc all hanging with their own kind. Yes, a good portion of them are white. But they don't band together because of skin colour.

If you don't find too many "white" people in a "black" neighbourhood, it's likely because they're hanging with their own cultures..

PS, "Black" is not a race, neither is "White", that's like saying that blonds are a race, and red heads are a race, and brown haired people are a race, and albinos are a race.. etc...



posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Why so defensive? I laid out the mentality for you to logically pick apart. Not for you to get all emotional about it. RACE IS BS to me but I know that "divide and conquer" is the rule. This thread is designed to cause division on ATS before we become a community of like minded ppl.

Sorry if what I said offended or brought any kind of negative emotion out of anyone, but it had to be said. Otherwise we risk ppl forgetting what it is to be a minority growing up in poverty and say things to the effect of " well you can always change schools" and " if you dont like it then leave". LOL

Those insensitive remarks, that display the lack of empathy for the have nots from the well to do's, is what causes that mentality. Minorities do not want charity and will break their backs to provide for their families. All that is needed to kill this disease of racism, racial bias in general, is a little compassion for one another.

But we are programmed to fear each other.


Originally posted by Dark Ghost
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Where did you pick this garbage up from? White Guilt Awareness day at your local University? Amazing how White People act as a convenient scapegoat for the ills faced by minority groups. Well the truly astounding part is that people accept this as fact without thinking about what they are being taught...
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