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Cities openly violate state and federal law

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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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I was reading about filtering systems for my water and came across an interesting website, which offers fluoride filtering systems. Here is something they say that I found interesting...



Municipalities all across America are currently dripping fluoride chemicals into their public water supply, dosing over a hundred million Americans with a chemical that they claim "prevents cavities." What's interesting here is that this biological effect of "preventing cavities" is a medical claim, according to the FDA. And as such, making this claim instantly and automatically transforms fluoride into a "drug" under currently FDA regulations. This means that cities and towns all across America are now practicing medicine without a license by dripping liquid medication into the public water supply without the consent of those who are swallowing the medication. If you or I did this, we would be arrested and tried as either terrorists (because contaminating the water supply is an act of terrorism) or felons practicing medicine without a license. So what allows cities and towns to get away with these very same crimes?

Water Fluoridation is Illegal

Now, the whole argument they give makes sense... the only part I disagree with is one of their suggestions on "what to do" lol...

How to fight back: If you happen to see one of these town leaders at a town meeting, make a citizens' arrest and put them in handcuffs, then turn them over to the local sheriff.


I'm sure there are plenty of threads on fluoride on this forum, (the search feature is not working right now so I'm not able to search for any similar threads, so if this is a re-post please excuse me) but I'm not sure that one exists about the legality of fluoridating water. I'm no legal expert, by any means, but I have to say the premise makes sense to me. Is there anyone with legal expertise that can attest to the viability of taking city officials to court over fluoridating the water supply?

Also, I'm considering getting a water-filter that gets the fluoride out of my water, any thoughts or opinions or personal experiences with those?




posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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yeah we all know fluoride is bad etc. however i never thought of it in those terms...practicing medicine without a license...kudos.

i believe they started putting into water as an anti-bacterial agent...before current tech was in place???

IMO though, fluoride is the least of our problems....

chlorine ain't none too good either!! (better than dysentery?)

best of luck



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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True. That same site told me chlorine in the hot shower water vaporizes, gets inhaled... and that chlorine can cause cancer in the bladder, colon, etc... so I'm with ya there.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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I read a post on one of Ron Paul's forums where the person said he single-handedly got the water taken out of his water supply. He said he simply gave the information (I think he gave 3 things) to his local representitive or the person in charge of the water. After the person read the info, they simply stopped adding flouride. They were actually happy to do so cause it saved the city some big cash. No big fights or anything. It can really be that simple.

I'm thinking about doing that.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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The use of Fluoride was originally used by the Nazis to sterilize inmates and to make them docile.
It was never used to help teeth, and no studies show otherwise (None that aren't governmentally funded, I mean). There are studies that show how it actually hurts you.
It was decided by our government to use Fluoride as a way of population control after the baby boom that erupted after WWII. Pure and Simple.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by Mactire
The use of Fluoride was originally used by the Nazis to sterilize inmates and to make them docile.


This is actually a myth propagated by (among other sites) ATS. It is based on a single letter which no one has seen, other than an author trying to sell his book (Charles Perkins).

Not everything posted on messageboards and conspiracy sites is true, fortunately.

Blog post (not the best source, usually) showing the history of the rumor



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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This is the book. Published in 1952 by 'Fluoridation Educational Society'.

The author is either dead, or near death. I haven't looked for his obituary.

Any profit potential is worthless by this time.



The truth about water fluoridation.

Author: Charles Eliot Perkins

Publisher: Washington, Fluoridation Educational Society [1952]

Edition/Format: Book : English : 2d ed


www.worldcat.org/title/truth-about-water-fluoridation/oclc/3253438
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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:18 AM
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Unfortunately they don't have a filtration system that can remove fluoride from your tap water. Just stick to bottled water such as Arrowhead for drinking - and try to limit bathing in it. Still use a filter for showers because it can remove a lot of chlorine as well as other bad things, but fluoride is there to stay



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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Are you sure about that?

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Brita filters will NOT remove fluoride. The two types of filters which will reliably remove fluoride are reverse-osmosis filters and activated alumina filters(aluminum oxide). Thus, if you are looking for a filter to remove fluoride, make sure it uses "reverse-osmosis" or "activated alumina"(aluminum oxide) technology.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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So, I should be safe having a well right? I live out in the country.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by Mactire
The use of Fluoride was originally used by the Nazis to sterilize inmates and to make them docile.


This is actually a myth propagated by (among other sites) ATS. It is based on a single letter which no one has seen, other than an author trying to sell his book (Charles Perkins).

Not everything posted on messageboards and conspiracy sites is true, fortunately.

Blog post (not the best source, usually) showing the history of the rumor


You were being sarcastic, right?

The following is from a paper written by A. True Ott...
The Truth About Flouride


Nazi Connections...

And yet more connections...

And some videos as well, involving testimony from Award Winning Investigative Journalist Christopher Bryson...





Bryson


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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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I think the whole issue is that people are being told that "fluoride" is good for teeth. The truth is that CALCIUM fluoide in small amounts has such benefits. But that's NOT what is going into our water supply.

They are pouring a toxic industrial waste product, shown in gulags and Nazi concentration camps to create docile, disinterested beings. They are polluting our water with SODIUM fluoride.

In fact, when the bruhaha about tea absorbing fluoride came out... I am certain that it was CALCUIM fluoride, not SODIUM fluoride that tea contains.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by chiefsmom
So, I should be safe having a well right? I live out in the country.


Not necessarily... If Haliburton comes frack-drilling for gas, it will poison your well, in all likelihood.
edit on 12/2/2010 by Amaterasu because: Wrong item listed



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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It really depends on a lot of variables. Fish are being found with pharmaceuticals in their liver, so anything's possible. If you're not connected to city water (and most cities will tell you if they fluoridate), you are likely going to be free of fluoride in the water... at that point, though, you have other contaminants to be aware of...

What really weighs on my mind is the fact that these 'filtration systems' are available for individual purchase, and reliably remove toxins from the water. Why are our cities not using these or other state of the art filters? Why are pharmeceutical drugs, lead, arsenic and other dangerous things coming out of our sinks and showers? If they care so much about our health that they'll spend money to strengthen our teeth by adding fluoride to our water, can't they care enough to spend money on removing the impurities that can actually do harm?

Couple that with the fact that ingesting fluoride actually INCREASES the amount of lead your body absorbs, it almost seems like we A.) have uneducated/ignorant people running the show, or B.) we are purposely being poisoned. I would hate to fully believe the latter.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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About Nazi Germany and Soviet Russian Gulags... it's a matter of confidence/trust in one's testimony/character.

Charles Eliot Perkins(proper surname is single L and T, no doubles as seen in highly copy/pasted texts) held roles as a chemist, biochemist and physiologist.

He doesn't mention Germany in his book, but in a letter reply later.

He also doesn't cite who the German chemist was that relayed the fluoridation scheme.

But for Russia, he does give a name and cites a Harper's Magazine article from another person(haven't checked historical archives yet to verify if article exists).

Quoting his book - paragraph from page 11. No need to pay, book is freely digitised as an ebook pdf.



The scheme of water fluoridation was taken to England by the English-born Russian Communist Kreminoff in 1935. Laski, believed to be the head of the English radical socialists at that time, mentioned it in an article he wrote for HARPER'S MAGAZINE in that year. Shortly thereafter the English socialists, who had many sympathetic supporters and followers in high places in this country, introduced the fluoridation movement in the United States. In the early 1940's the U. S. Public Health Service, and affiliated agencies, took over the movement and have enthusiastically sponsored it ever since.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by chiefsmom
So, I should be safe having a well right? I live out in the country.


I wouldn't count on it. My mother and grandmother both died from brain tumors caused by pesticides that seeped into our well water when I was growing up. My father and I weren't affected because we aren't the biggest water drinkers (Pepsi ruined my teeth, but saved my life), but both my mother and grandmother died within a year of one another and both were avid water drinkers. We didn't learn the truth until we had the water tested. Turns out the poison was from a termite killing spray that hadn't been used on the property in 20 years, but it was still present in the soil after all that time.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Mactire

Originally posted by chiefsmom
So, I should be safe having a well right? I live out in the country.


I wouldn't count on it. My mother and grandmother both died from brain tumors caused by pesticides that seeped into our well water when I was growing up. My father and I weren't affected because we aren't the biggest water drinkers (Pepsi ruined my teeth, but saved my life), but both my mother and grandmother died within a year of one another and both were avid water drinkers. We didn't learn the truth until we had the water tested. Turns out the poison was from a termite killing spray that hadn't been used on the property in 20 years, but it was still present in the soil after all that time.



Im sorry to hear about your loss. What legal action was taken ?



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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A couple of points. First, Flouride was in use prior to 1938, and has, therefore, a grandfather exemption from the Food and Drug Act. The suggestion about a citizen's arrest is idiocy. In almost every state, a citizen may arrest only for a felony. For example, in California, a citizen's arrest can only be made for a felony or a misdemeanor committed in the arresting person's presence. Since the arresting person was not present when the flouride was actually added, the misdemeanor of practicing medicine without a license is not an arrestable offense. Trying it gets you convicted of unlawful imprisonment, assault, and probably kidnapping. Also, deadly force can be used to stop a kidnapping so the potential arrestee can lawfully kill you.
In any event, the analogy totally fails. Is everyone on this forum that promotes a healthy diet or promotes using supplements and vitamins guilty of practicing medicine without a license. And is anyone who purports to tell others what the law is, and when a citizens arrest can be made,guilty of practicing law without a license? See, I have a license.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Grandfather exemption, interesting. Looks like you might be right about that! Now whether or not a grandfather exemption is morally appropriate in this (or any) case, that's another story...



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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None. The company had already been torn to shreds via lawsuits, so by the time we found out about it (a decade later) there wasn't really a company to take legal action against. We decided that in the long run, hunting down and finding those behind the company would only prolong our grief, so we sealed the well, had county water installed, and added a filter. It was our neighbor who'd used the termite spray, and he couldn't have known it would've penetrated the soil like it did, let alone that it would've found both our well systems. He, unfortunately, lost his life as well.



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