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Also, if you grant Napolitano's argument, that thinking and planning a crime isn't criminal, then you will have to release every guy arrested in sex predator stings because that is EXACTLY what police do to arrest them. They present an opportunity, encourage it, set up a place and time, coax the person there and then arrest them. If you agree with Napolitano, and I grant that he makes a point that can be reasonably argued, then all sex predator stings need to stop now.
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by FPB214
Kind of like saying if someone has ever had an alcoholic drink, that they are bound to kill someone in a car accident while they are driving drunk.
In this case, the analogy would be that the FBI took him to the bar, paid for his drinks until he was drunk, bought him a car, gave him the keys, sent him down the street and pushed a baby carriage out in front of him.
A Florida woman arrested for possession of marijuana and ecstasy was pressed into service as a drug informant, then murdered during a sting operation where she was told to purchase 1,500 ecstasy pills, coc aine, and a gun from a pair of drug dealers. ABC News reported May 13 that the body of Rachel Morningstar Hoffman, 23, was found two days after she disappeared following a meeting with the drug dealers. Hoffman had agreed to take part in the staked-out drug buy in return for leniency in her drug case, where she faced possible prison time for possession of 200 grams of marijuana and a handful of ecstasy pills.
Collins and Lieberman argue that the DOJ's actions undermine President Obama's claim that we are at war against al Qaeda and request that the administration "reverse this error" by transferring Abdulmutallab to the Defense Department where he would be tried before a military commission. In a separate announcement, Senator Jeff Sessions, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has also called for Abdulmutallab to have his rights revoked. In a statement, Sessions said: It is now clear beyond doubt that the administration squandered an invaluable opportunity to gather intelligence from a captured terrorist fresh from al Qaeda’s operation in Yemen, a new center of their activities. But this weekend, the President's spokesman actually argued that the right call was made and that fifty minutes of interrogation were sufficient. “Instead of trying to excuse the inexcusable, the administration should take responsibility for the dire consequences of its decision to swiftly grant civilian rights to this foreign terrorist. “Civilian interrogation means that a suspect must be told he does not have to answer any questions and that he will be provided a lawyer. Captured combatants do not enjoy these same privileges. “I strongly urge the President to right this wrong and revoke Abdulmutallab’s civilian status. This will allow authorities to resume the terminated interrogation and to gather new intelligence about the operations of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. This intelligence could save lives.
Originally posted by FPB214
reply to post by zorgon
IF it is found he dialed that number, he was in fact definetly GOING to and tried to carry it out. IF not, then okay fine with me. If so, he deserves to be locked up.edit on 1-12-2010 by FPB214 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FPB214
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
"You could not get a normal 19 year old to do that"
That is exactly my point. I agree with everything you said. If they find this guy really truly wanted help in his heart to kill innocent Americans, and if they find he tried to detonate the bomb that was fake, he deserves to be locked up. His intentions were obviously there, because im 18 and the FBI could not do this to me, because the will is not held within my heart to commit such a crime.
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by FPB214
Kind of like saying if someone has ever had an alcoholic drink, that they are bound to kill someone in a car accident while they are driving drunk.
In this case, the analogy would be that the FBI took him to the bar, paid for his drinks until he was drunk, bought him a car, gave him the keys, sent him down the street and pushed a baby carriage out in front of him.
Perfect analogy
Agreed, but more like they need to create them, because they can't find any. It sure looks like they created this terrorist, because he trained with them and they provided what he needed.
The FBI CIA and other assorted spooks NEED to find terrorists... so they will grab at any straw to justify the TSA, Homeland Security Patriot Act etc...
Originally posted by FPB214
reply to post by Xcathdra
I understand where your coming from, and the only reason this is even being debated is because of the FBI's involvement and the procedures they took. Yet, I feel most Americans will agree if this kid dialed the numbers, more than once, to blow up innocent Americans, why let him run free? Doesn't sound right. If the guy would have found anyone else (which through some sources say he wanted to be trained anyways) it would have happened the same way. They would have advised him on how to do it correctly, and he would have detonated a real bomb that would have turned a beautiful evening into a bloodbath.