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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
reply to post by 2manyquestions
 
Socialism is about not getting everyone on the government dole.

Socialism,and Social Services,are not the same thing,BTW.


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Socialism (at least the way it worked in Eastern Europe) just had everyone working for the Government, or for Government-owned ("the people's") companies, or on Government-owned ('the people's) land. In fact you weren't allowed to NOT work unless you were sick or too old. You got vacation time in a socialist country of your choice (Russia, China or Cuba) and if you couldn't find a job, one was assigned to you. Your pay was not horrific, but it was also not enough to motivate you to do your best.

I remember we bought a German Shepherd when I was a kid, and all our neighbors were totally outraged that we bought such a big animal. After all, how could we afford to feed a dog that didn't produce anything in return??? We were also taxed for the dog, and when a stray puppy befriended our dog and we kept it, Comrade goon (tax man) came to collect on both dogs. We decided we couldn't afford to keep both of them. Everyone had just enough to survive, and fear and paranoia was pumped into people in case they got any grand ideas about leaving or earning too much money for those extra luxuries that the upper comrades enjoyed. Imagine your family owned a few acres of land that you farmed just before the revolution. The revolution comes, and all private property is confiscated. You don't get paid for it, and to add insult to injury they force you to go work on those very fields.

Of course before all that happened, the working class was promised the earth and sky. They would end the tyranny and the suffering of the working man! They would banish all those evil capitalists so that they could never again tread on the common man. All they did is end one tyranny and start another. Oh the memories.


Social services are necessary, but they can't be given out all willy nilly without some rules. Unemployment is one of the services that should be kept going for the 99 weeks. I have no problem paying into them, while I have a problem with paying into many others.




posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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That is my point exactly.. it's still a job isn't it? Sorry, but the rest of the world has been forced to make adjustments. What makes you so special?



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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like stated before, there will always be a few bad apples, but it is truly unfair to end the benefits when a huge amount of people are going to be affected negatively by it, especially during the holidays..thats just wrong morally... you dont think majority of them want a stable job to provide for their families?? what republicorp (sic) did was childish and i hope one day they all pay the price..

# them



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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You can blame whoever you would like if it makes you feel better. In the end my point is proven by the post made by scoldedfrog that I replied to above these posts. Husband could have gotten a job but wouldn't because he would rather collect unemployment and continue to make more money through the unemployment system. Well you wait you lose bottom line. now that it's drawing to an end people like that are going to cry about it. I'll bet right about now he wishes he would have taken that job.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by JonStone
Well, we can tell who's back in congress.


the republicans don't take control till next year, so yes, the democrats are still in charge.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner
The problem with unlimited unemployment benefits is many people don't even bother looking for work anymore.

Believe me, I know several of them, and they disgust me.


Why should they disgust you? It has nothing to do with you. If there are some people out there that are content to live off peanuts while those of us who earn a decent living are able to enjoy modern luxuries and a comfortable home, why should it bother you? How does it affect you? Are you suffering as a result?

I never understand why people like you whinge about the lifestyle choices of people who are much worse off.

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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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It's the american way....

Ppl have to feel good about their sorry ass lives by dissing other who are less fortunate.

Aside from the fact it's "A Big Fake Economy",run by a "Big Fake Monetary System"..

Someday,when it's too late,they may realize it.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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My unemployment ran out over a year ago - now I'm working at the place where I did NOT want to end up working. It is literally a nightmare from my child-hood come true.

It's unfortunate the situation I am in. I am not complaining - simply observing. I admit, I did free-load a little bit on the benefits, but I DID honestly look hard for a job. I've had many jobs since I turned 16, and have never had a problem getting a job - I was not worried at all, but it seemed that despite my honest intention of finding work, I could not.

Finally, this nightmare job I have now was only given to me by my parent - who also works here out of pure necessity.

The past 3 years have put me in a slow and steady decline, and I am definitely pushing the envelope this very month. Each new month I am struggling to pay my rent and bare essentials. One year ago I cut back on the essentials, and now those essentials seem like luxuries to me. I'm about to lose my car, as I know is a huge luxury - but it is the last major thing I have left (besides food and a roof - literally the only other things I have). I've held on to it because of it's importance in school and work and normal american-expectation living.

I say these things out of worry. As when more and more unemployment benefits begin to expire - and more and more people slowly begin to leech of others and all aspects possible to make it by - after a bit of time, we as american's are REALLY screwed.

I say these things from experience, and I hope we can turn this ship around.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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For anyone in this situation, I'd have 2 CVs printed up and ready.
One stating ALL your qualifications and employment history for the jobs in your field and another leaving a LOT OF IT OUT for those kind of jobs where you know your going to be told your over qualified and over experienced.
It worked for me when I DOWNGRADED my CV by OMITTING a lot of my experience and educational qualifications when I really needed a job badly a few years ago that I was too qualified for.

And my prayers go out to those who are doing it really tough at the moment. This is really not the month for people to be so stressed out losing sustenance money, so close to Christmas.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 11:15 PM
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Why don't they taper off how much you get the longer you have unemployment??? Talk about a tick-tock motivator!

I too know a guy who has been on unemployment that long..wife works but he doesn't. I cant go too long without a job. In fact i am jobless by the 17th. I am already picking up applications..

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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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So what if those people took all their time and collected all their money until the well ran dry. They did what they qualified for so where's the problem? They paid into the system and got what they paid for. Just because you named two people you say did these things how does that make the entire pool of people on unemployment the bad guy? And why would that mean extensions would be a bad thing for people who can't find work? Especially when the same people in our government who voted to not extend unemployment want to keep tax cuts for the top 2% of the most wealthy in this country while they watch the unemployed suffer. I bet if you were out of work long enough you'd be the first cry baby to be upset about the extensions being denied anyway. It's always easy to talk when you are not the person on unemployment. Some day you may be looking for work and you'll see how it is. And by the way I'm not on unemployment. I just know what is what.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by DaddyBare
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your very right in that desperate people with starving kids will do the unthinkable, without blinking...any parent would... now the GOP has created millions of folks in that truly sad position. There should be civil unrest here, but I think to many of my Fellow Americans are just to numb from the neck up.

I just hope those GOP members lay awake nights thinking about all the kids they inadvertently toss to the streets all for the sake of better tax incentives for their constituents


Even zombies get riled up when they have no food. Give it three months. America will be a much different place in three months with no unemployment benefits.

Good luck to us all.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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perhapas these congressmen can read a calander....maybe they know exactly what they are doing?
I am still of the opinion that its a setup.
Theyll starve you into revolt, then cut you down wholesale....just watch.....



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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That was kind of rude. Discussion boards are for debating. Around these parts, we try to remain civil while doing so. Take a break from the computer, if need be.

I agree with your previous statement. Some people don't care about looking for a job while on temporary assistance. Its sad, but while there are people milking the system while sitting on they're ***, there are millions that are victims of the recession and don't deserve to be shafted.

The entire system has finally failed. It's time for our government to go back to basics and try to figure out where the system wen't wrong. It scares me to think about how much more catastrophe things have to be in before they will finally do that.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:45 AM
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Why don't they just print some more money...and give it to the unemployed. I mean didn't they print up a couple of trillion for their Wall St. buddies? I don't get what the deal is... it's just paper and ink.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Why don't they just print some more money...and give it to the unemployed. I mean didn't they print up a couple of trillion for their Wall St. buddies? I don't get what the deal is... it's just paper and ink.


Laws and taxes are meant for the little people. When you get up to the elite level, the rules are totally changed.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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Some of the people here need to get off of their soapbox. People seem to forget that unemployment benefits are NOT welfare. It's been previously stated by others that these people payed into the system , with many of them paying into the system their entire lives. Put yourself in their shoes , let's say you were just layed off from a career where you earned a good wage that you could support your family on , and you are now receiving the maximum benefits weekly (here in jersey it's a little under $1,000 a week) are you

A: going to take the first minimum wage job that presents itself , even though working full time you would bring home 1/3 of what you would get in unemployment benefits.

or

B: going to stay on enemployment long enough to adjust your lifestyle to the loss of income and try to find a job in your field earning a wage that pays your bills.

If you say A , you're either a liar or you're mentally deficient. Too many people are falling for the propaganda pushed by the right wing media. I take this to heart because I was one of the peoole in that position. I was receiving $1733 bi weekly in benefits and getting in arguments with people drinking the FOX NEWS kool-aid , I was constantly hearing how it was "Un-American" to do this and that I was a drain on the system. I usually politely explained to these people that when I was paying my way , I was also paying more in taxes yearly than they earned.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner

Originally posted by Joehio

Originally posted by Darkrunner
The problem with unlimited unemployment benefits is many people don't even bother looking for work anymore.

Believe me, I know several of them, and they disgust me.


I don't believe you. What now?


I don't give a rats behind what you believe little boy. My cousin was one, as was one of my friends dad. Took the entire allowable length of unemployment benefits and all available extensions, and then decided to look for work during the last month of unemployment availability.

Now go away child, unless you have something more to offer.


Wow, what an unneccesarily hateful and douchey response. Anyway...

Obviously there are people who are exploiting the program. Any program is going to have a number of people who exploit it, especially when money is involved. However, the program was created for a reason, and a valid reason at that.

When the economy tanked last year, I lost my job because my company downsized and my position was swallowed up (I was the Southeastern Regional Manager but the position was taken over by the company's Director of Operations. I wasnt allowed to go back down to my former position of Field Investigator because of company policy in which they didnt want Field Investigators who were former managers, because they knew too much about the corners that the company cut). Since I was in a relatively specialized field, even with my 10 years of experience and outstanding resume, no companies were hiring. I had to file for unemployment. Had very little other options. Luckily I found a job about two weeks before I was due to apply for an extension. I really didnt want an extension because it was terribly embarassing every time I had to speak with someone, do paperwork, or fill out my weekly certifications. It was embarassing because I have always worked and always thought people who were on unemployment were just being lazy. However, the $505 per week I received on unemployment was nothing less than a lifesaver. Being 32 years old without a job is very scary; I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I think it is complete BS that they are not renewing the extensions. Millions of people are about to be put in some horrible situations. I expect the crime rate to rise in the short term. However, the government needs to do a better job keeping up with the people who are on unemployment. To file your weekly certification, all you have to do is answer five questions (1--Did you work this week? 2--Were you available to work? 3--Did you turn any work down) 4--Did you look for work and fill out at least two applications? 5--I dont remember what this one was). In the beginning, they tell you to keep a record of all the places you apply to and that you must apply to at least two places per week, however, no one ever followed up on this with me. I never even had to speak to a human; everything was done on the computer. It is a terribly easy system to exploit if you are inclined to do so. I imagine it is extremely tempting for people who have that frame of mind to do.

But whatever, long story short (i know, too late) is that even that even though it is a broken system, it is a necessary one. If you are ever in the unfortunate position that you have to use it, you will thank God (or who or whatever) that it is there.



posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:23 AM
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well i know how those fat cat B@astards in DC can pay for unemployment.


The current salary (2010) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.



Congress: Leadership Members' Salary (2010) Leaders of the House and Senate are paid a higher salary than rank-and-file members.

Senate Leadership
Majority Party Leader - $193,400
Minority Party Leader - $193,400

House Leadership Speaker of the House - $223,500
Majority Leader - $193,400
Minority Leader - $193,400


I think they should vote to cut their pay by at least 75%. But i know they won't even vote to cut their pay back to what they were making in 2009 even though cutting their own damn pay is the RIGHT thing to do.

No no they would rather 2 million people starve after this month and another 4 million starve after next month.

Oh and to you assclowns saying its good that the unemployed lost their benefits you do realize that for every $1 that is spent on unemployment that atleast $1.50- $2.00 is generated and put into the economy instantly! You want to know why it goes instantly into the Economy? becuase they are spending it on FOOD and trying to pay their bills with HALF of what they use to make!

Also do you clowns realize THAT NO ONE IS HIRING! so tell me exactly how all these unemployed people are suppose to get a job?

OH i know its just easier for you to get up on your damn high horse and say its good they lost their benefits. I tell you what give up half your income to charity for 1 month and see if you can make ends meet without outside help. my bet is you couldn't but yet these people are expected to make ends meet with no income now. your pathetic!


Oh and as long as the fat cats in DC get their full pay that was voted in BY THE DEMOCRATS all is peachy huh? it doesn't matter that they people that pay their salaries can't afford to do it any more. and we can't afford to pay for their FREE insurance either but yet they still get it!

all you people complaining about the unemployed getting money while they are out of work why don't you march your asses right up to the capitol and demand those people that hide out in that building get a real damn job and give up atleast half their pay to help people in need in this country. I know you won't because your just a bunch of lazy asses just like congress!
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posted on Dec, 2 2010 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner
The problem with unlimited unemployment benefits is many people don't even bother looking for work anymore.

Believe me, I know several of them, and they disgust me.


Wow, where in the heck do you live?

I'm sorry, but I lived on the Gulf coast, in an area where it was barely recovered from Katrina, and then the oil spill. Homeless shelters are full, and food banks empty.

Some people have given up looking for work in certain areas, because there isn't any. So, yep, I relocated to an area where I had to accept a job for minumum wage, having earned close to $20.00 an hour for years. My job was relocated to Canada.

Try living in another persons shoes for a change. I bet you would be singing a different tune!




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