While I am sure there is plenty of anecdotal evidence supporting the view that extended benefits only extend laziness, I would like to counter with my
own anecdotal evidence.
I just recently found work again after being out of work for over a year. I spent my savings before even applying for unemployment because in the
past I never had any problems finding new work. In fact, up until a year and a half ago there always seemed to be a chance for better work and more
money.
This time, however, the market was a desert. Once my savings were spent and I was on unemployment, I was applying for ANYTHING I could get. While
applications were rolling out the door every day the opportunity to interview was rare. When interviews did take place they were often in excess of
two hours away and for positions that were beneath what I had done before. These always ended with the employer saying I lived too far away or
telling me I was overqualified. When I would then beg for the job they always said the same thing. If I took their offer for half my previous
salary, it was too great a risk because once a better job came up they felt I would cut and run. After a year I would tell them that with that logic
they would have had a.more.experienced worker for half the price for that whole year.
It didn't make a difference.
After banging on that wall over and over for over a year I finally got work again. I make half as much as at my last job and do administrative work
in the type of department I used to manage.
This market is hitting older, more experienced, more expensive talent. Out of the hundreds of retail and blue collar applications I sent, I never got
so much as a call back. Not one. Who hires educated, older, corporate experienced people to drive a truck or run a register? Nobody.
I don't doubt for a second that there are others gaming the system. But I meet more people and hear more stories about hard-working successful
people being locked out of jobs due to their past success every day.
Abandoning unemployment benefits now leaves a massive talent pool with nothing but foreclosure, bankruptcy and public poverty. Good jobs run credit
checks. Good jobs frown on foreclosures and bankruptcies.
When you take the future away from smart, motivated, talented people, you not only cripple the nation's pool of talent...you set them loose to ensure
their own survival at all costs.
And the number of desperate people grows every day. An army of millions of desperate people. People on your street. People watching you leave your
house for work every day. People who need what you have.
It's not about what your political views are anymore. It's about the laws of survival. That is what happens when we abandon the humanity of our
people, our nation and our brothers.
I am ashamed.
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reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 11:44 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Darkrunner
Yes plenty of people milk the system, but there is a whole new animal being born now. What was once the hard working middle class is systematically being destroyed.
You - yourself will not realize this until you find your job outsourced or insourced.
It's called lack of empathy and affects most people until the brown stuff hits their fan.
I donate two days a month to a soup kitchen, do you?
The people we use to get in line were drug addicts, mentally challenged, lazy and veterans that got screwed out of their full due.............now we are seeing people that were once "middle class", home owners, with kids, a car, a dog the whole American Dream that had one medical issue, one other issue like job loss(es) and all their hard work and striving was shot down.
And, it's not one or two thousand, read The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, it's tens of millions now.
Again, next read, "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota.
The enemy isn't so much over there as over here sitting in Washington DC.
Yes plenty of people milk the system, but there is a whole new animal being born now. What was once the hard working middle class is systematically being destroyed.
You - yourself will not realize this until you find your job outsourced or insourced.
It's called lack of empathy and affects most people until the brown stuff hits their fan.
I donate two days a month to a soup kitchen, do you?
The people we use to get in line were drug addicts, mentally challenged, lazy and veterans that got screwed out of their full due.............now we are seeing people that were once "middle class", home owners, with kids, a car, a dog the whole American Dream that had one medical issue, one other issue like job loss(es) and all their hard work and striving was shot down.
And, it's not one or two thousand, read The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, it's tens of millions now.
Again, next read, "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota.
The enemy isn't so much over there as over here sitting in Washington DC.
edit on 1-12-2010 by ofhumandescent because: grammar
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 11:48 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by NightShift
You are right, and whats more, your post I have now heard a couple hundred times in my city alone.
Whatsmore, if you are over 50 - jobs are really scarce, the companies like to hire and do discriminate against older workers (try and prove it though).
Between the outsourcing and insourcing jobs for the natural born American have almost dried up and it's only going to get worse.
I too use to think, only the lazy remain unemployed and take goverment handouts.............years back that statement was more true, but now, in 2010 it's a fallacy, times have changed.
You are right, and whats more, your post I have now heard a couple hundred times in my city alone.
Whatsmore, if you are over 50 - jobs are really scarce, the companies like to hire and do discriminate against older workers (try and prove it though).
Between the outsourcing and insourcing jobs for the natural born American have almost dried up and it's only going to get worse.
I too use to think, only the lazy remain unemployed and take goverment handouts.............years back that statement was more true, but now, in 2010 it's a fallacy, times have changed.
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 11:57 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by freedish
My company moved over 2,000 jobs over to India. My guess is another 5,000 jobs are being planned to be outsourced asap with my previous employer.
My friend's company moved 1,432 jobs over to Mexico.
There are two books I have read called, "Outsourcing America" by Ron Hira & Anil Hira and "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota that might possibly give you a better understanding of the knee deep $hit Americans are going to find themselves in, in trying to remain employed in the coming decade.
We haven't seen anything yet, the unemployment is going to begin to affect all of us.
Several people I talked to (in the food hand out line) were working but had their job either insourced or outsourced.
American companies are no longer creating jobs for Americans. Many are handing American jobs over to citizens of foreign countries with the blessing of our government.
So much for our government looking out for us. But of course, the common American Citizen is not able to contribute (bribe) the millions of dollars to our politicians or promise our politicians high paying career moves once their government stint is completed like the corporations commonly do.
We will, however, be expected to foot the bill for the major financial companies going belly up.
Many American companies are hiring non American Workers by insourcing or outsourcing and leaving Americans jobless or having to settle for lower wages to compete with foreign workers.
American companies are shooting for greedy profits at the expense of the American Worker.
Money does not trickle down, that is a fallacy..............simply do the research.
The top percentage of wealth is being hoarded and not on American soil.
The tens of billions of Indians and Chinese are now claiming some of that pie, and the top 1% of the world's rich aren't about ready to share.
The pie has already been cut, 3/4 for the top 1% of the wealthest people on the planet and the remaining 1/4 for the rest of us, you included, unless your last name is Rockefeller or one of the other twelve elite families.
If you don't believe me simply start researching "insourcing and outsourcing".
Greed and power are the ruling forces of our corporate owned governments pure and simple and they don't care who they run over or destroy to achieve both.
While our government is busy putting more restrictions on us and scrutinizing our every move they are looking the other way when it comes to bankster fraud and companies giving away American jobs.
It is our government and the corporations they are in bed with that need to be supervised and regulated more closely and not the American People.
This will continue until enough Americans and the rest of the planet (because America is just ground zero for the NWO), stand up and some how resist this insane way of running our planet.
Again I will use the analogy of a royal family sitting at the feasting table (the 1% globally elite) and a pack of hungry dogs on the floor (the rest of the world, most of you readers included).
The king and his court will throw a scrap here and there for amusement and to assure themselves of their power watch the dogs fight each other for the meager scraps.
Where as, if the dogs were smart, they would stop fighting each other for the tiny bits of food, attack and kill the king and his feasting court, then divide the food more evenly among themselves.
But the dogs are just stupid and will keep fighting among themselves not seeing things could be different if they united and took action against their greedy oppressors.
My company moved over 2,000 jobs over to India. My guess is another 5,000 jobs are being planned to be outsourced asap with my previous employer.
My friend's company moved 1,432 jobs over to Mexico.
There are two books I have read called, "Outsourcing America" by Ron Hira & Anil Hira and "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota that might possibly give you a better understanding of the knee deep $hit Americans are going to find themselves in, in trying to remain employed in the coming decade.
We haven't seen anything yet, the unemployment is going to begin to affect all of us.
Several people I talked to (in the food hand out line) were working but had their job either insourced or outsourced.
American companies are no longer creating jobs for Americans. Many are handing American jobs over to citizens of foreign countries with the blessing of our government.
So much for our government looking out for us. But of course, the common American Citizen is not able to contribute (bribe) the millions of dollars to our politicians or promise our politicians high paying career moves once their government stint is completed like the corporations commonly do.
We will, however, be expected to foot the bill for the major financial companies going belly up.
Many American companies are hiring non American Workers by insourcing or outsourcing and leaving Americans jobless or having to settle for lower wages to compete with foreign workers.
American companies are shooting for greedy profits at the expense of the American Worker.
Money does not trickle down, that is a fallacy..............simply do the research.
The top percentage of wealth is being hoarded and not on American soil.
The tens of billions of Indians and Chinese are now claiming some of that pie, and the top 1% of the world's rich aren't about ready to share.
The pie has already been cut, 3/4 for the top 1% of the wealthest people on the planet and the remaining 1/4 for the rest of us, you included, unless your last name is Rockefeller or one of the other twelve elite families.
If you don't believe me simply start researching "insourcing and outsourcing".
Greed and power are the ruling forces of our corporate owned governments pure and simple and they don't care who they run over or destroy to achieve both.
While our government is busy putting more restrictions on us and scrutinizing our every move they are looking the other way when it comes to bankster fraud and companies giving away American jobs.
It is our government and the corporations they are in bed with that need to be supervised and regulated more closely and not the American People.
This will continue until enough Americans and the rest of the planet (because America is just ground zero for the NWO), stand up and some how resist this insane way of running our planet.
Again I will use the analogy of a royal family sitting at the feasting table (the 1% globally elite) and a pack of hungry dogs on the floor (the rest of the world, most of you readers included).
The king and his court will throw a scrap here and there for amusement and to assure themselves of their power watch the dogs fight each other for the meager scraps.
Where as, if the dogs were smart, they would stop fighting each other for the tiny bits of food, attack and kill the king and his feasting court, then divide the food more evenly among themselves.
But the dogs are just stupid and will keep fighting among themselves not seeing things could be different if they united and took action against their greedy oppressors.
edit on 1-12-2010 by ofhumandescent because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 12:06 PM by SaturnFX
Slightly off topic, but not really...
Check this thread out
Some crappy ghost thread
Now, this thread here has been on ATS for a couple hours now..and is -not- in the hot active topics...has not been.
Yet the ghost thread with a couple dozen comments and zero flags is considered more active.
This is not the first time this has happened, and I did ask a mod why it seemed any thread at least I create will never see the hot topics, the flag things, etc...was told basically there is no conspiracy, other topics are hotter.
this is clearly a lie...ATS seems to have an agenda, and some news seems to be actively suppressed, I now am fully convinced that anything considered slightly too "liberal" for their website, that is not some odd rant that ends up making the left look silly, will indeed be supressed.
I used to think that ATS was neutral, that hot topics were simply pushed forward by algorithms, and you simply cannot interfere with that...now I see that is a falsehood. ATS is clearly a propaganda network for right wing conspiracy theories and political agendas
You will also notice right around election season, tons of "seasoned" right wing vets come out of the woodwork and get front page splashes of their verbetam talking points on whatever Limbaugh or Beck discussed a couple hours earlier...and of course a couple "colms" liberals giving the most weak and strawman arguements as a retort.
I am pretty certain in this...how does this relate to the topic?
The right wing is currently, by every measure according to the bipartisan congressional commission, doing the exact opposite to stimulate the economy. a proveable path to economic distress. To purposefully push forward an agenda that both right and left economic advisors say is destructive to the nation means you are in essence, attacking the nation
Is ATS supporting a terrorist organization?
(ya, this post will be nerfed...point being...mods...get this damn thing on active topics already...knock out some of those lame ones with no convo or flags)
Check this thread out
Some crappy ghost thread
Now, this thread here has been on ATS for a couple hours now..and is -not- in the hot active topics...has not been.
Yet the ghost thread with a couple dozen comments and zero flags is considered more active.
This is not the first time this has happened, and I did ask a mod why it seemed any thread at least I create will never see the hot topics, the flag things, etc...was told basically there is no conspiracy, other topics are hotter.
this is clearly a lie...ATS seems to have an agenda, and some news seems to be actively suppressed, I now am fully convinced that anything considered slightly too "liberal" for their website, that is not some odd rant that ends up making the left look silly, will indeed be supressed.
I used to think that ATS was neutral, that hot topics were simply pushed forward by algorithms, and you simply cannot interfere with that...now I see that is a falsehood. ATS is clearly a propaganda network for right wing conspiracy theories and political agendas
You will also notice right around election season, tons of "seasoned" right wing vets come out of the woodwork and get front page splashes of their verbetam talking points on whatever Limbaugh or Beck discussed a couple hours earlier...and of course a couple "colms" liberals giving the most weak and strawman arguements as a retort.
I am pretty certain in this...how does this relate to the topic?
The right wing is currently, by every measure according to the bipartisan congressional commission, doing the exact opposite to stimulate the economy. a proveable path to economic distress. To purposefully push forward an agenda that both right and left economic advisors say is destructive to the nation means you are in essence, attacking the nation
Is ATS supporting a terrorist organization?
(ya, this post will be nerfed...point being...mods...get this damn thing on active topics already...knock out some of those lame ones with no convo or flags)
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 01:09 PM by NWOnoworldorder
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Darkrunner
Yes plenty of people milk the system, but there is a whole new animal being born now. What was once the hard working middle class is systematically being destroyed.
You - yourself will not realize this until you find your job outsourced or insourced.
It's called lack of empathy and affects most people until the brown stuff hits their fan.
I donate two days a month to a soup kitchen, do you?
The people we use to get in line were drug addicts, mentally challenged, lazy and veterans that got screwed out of their full due.............now we are seeing people that were once "middle class", home owners, with kids, a car, a dog the whole American Dream that had one medical issue, one other issue like job loss(es) and all their hard work and striving was shot down.
And, it's not one or two thousand, read The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, it's tens of millions now.
Again, next read, "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota.
The enemy isn't so much over there as over here sitting in Washington DC.
edit on 1-12-2010 by ofhumandescent because: grammar
im not being funny but u keep banging on about the trillion dollar conspiracy and hostile take over by this fellow david sirota...now if i didnt know any better id say u were trying to plug his book....
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 01:40 PM by Darkrunner
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Darkrunner
Please then, enlighten us all as to your definition of the word 'many' and how it does not directly translate into 'millions' of people - considering of course you find disgust in 'many' of those that are on unemployment.
This should be good.......... I think I'll go grab some popcorn and enjoy this!edit on 1/12/2010 by Kryties because: (no reason given)
Answer my question.
How long should unemployment benefits be extended? Another 99 weeks? Five years? Ten? More?
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 01:44 PM by Darkrunner
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Darkrunner
Yes plenty of people milk the system, but there is a whole new animal being born now. What was once the hard working middle class is systematically being destroyed.
You - yourself will not realize this until you find your job outsourced or insourced.
It's called lack of empathy and affects most people until the brown stuff hits their fan.
I donate two days a month to a soup kitchen, do you?
The people we use to get in line were drug addicts, mentally challenged, lazy and veterans that got screwed out of their full due.............now we are seeing people that were once "middle class", home owners, with kids, a car, a dog the whole American Dream that had one medical issue, one other issue like job loss(es) and all their hard work and striving was shot down.
And, it's not one or two thousand, read The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy, it's tens of millions now.
Again, next read, "Hostile Takeover" by David Sirota.
The enemy isn't so much over there as over here sitting in Washington DC.
edit on 1-12-2010 by ofhumandescent because: grammar
Yes, I have been unemployed. And I collected about 2 months of unemployment before I found work. My beef isn't with unemployment, it's with people that milk it for as long as they can before looking for work.
Regarding the soup kitchen, I've seen you mention this before, and I'm not sure what bearing this has on the topic of people milking unemployment benefits, but no, I don't volunteer, as I live in a town of about 3000 people. We don't even have a soup kitchen to my knowledge.
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 01:45 PM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by SaturnFX
Funny you should mention that.
While I didn't see this, my husband who refuses to associate himself with ATS read some of the threads and stated exactly the same thing you did in this thread.
And, of the two of us, my husband is way smarter, he sees things much more clearly than I do, people wise.
I used to think that ATS was neutral, that hot topics were simply pushed forward by algorithms, and you simply cannot interfere with that...now I see that is a falsehood. ATS is clearly a propaganda network for right wing conspiracy theories and political agendas
Funny you should mention that.
While I didn't see this, my husband who refuses to associate himself with ATS read some of the threads and stated exactly the same thing you did in this thread.
And, of the two of us, my husband is way smarter, he sees things much more clearly than I do, people wise.
reply posted on 1-12-2010 @ 01:55 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by SaturnFX
There are a couple points missing from your information:
#1 When someone goes off unemployment compensation they go off the government radar and are not covered in the "unemployed statistics" That allows an apparent "recovery" because the RATE at which people are loosing jobs has slowed down, even though the NUMBER of people unemployed has actually really increase because they can not get a job. This statistical shell game is GOOD for the current Administration.
#2. Everyone falls for the RICH pay the most taxes fallacy:
Oh and WHERE do those taxes taken from the poor and middle class actually go???
WHY to the RICH of course
Federal Government contributions to transfer payments are the fees to transfer money from bank to bank. The Tax Payer gets stuck with that as well as the interest on the Debt paid to the Federal Reserve (private bankers)
So there it is.
Blocked is unemployment compensation extension for millions..now they go without a couple hundred $ a week to survive.
Republicans have said they will -not- do anything else until the tax rate is decided on...which means, they are insisting the top 2% of the countrys wealthy get a massive tax cut extended.
There are a couple points missing from your information:
#1 When someone goes off unemployment compensation they go off the government radar and are not covered in the "unemployed statistics" That allows an apparent "recovery" because the RATE at which people are loosing jobs has slowed down, even though the NUMBER of people unemployed has actually really increase because they can not get a job. This statistical shell game is GOOD for the current Administration.
#2. Everyone falls for the RICH pay the most taxes fallacy:
PRESIDENT'S PRIVATE SECTOR SURVEY ON COST CONTROL
A REPORT TO THE PRESIDENT
VOLUME I
APPROVED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AT
ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 15, 1984
Mr. President, you have been so correct in resisting attempts to balance the budget by increasing taxes. The tax load on the average American family is already at counterproductive levels with the underground economy having now grown to an estimated $500 billion per year, costing about $100 billion in lost Federal tax revenues per year.
The size of the underground economy is understandable when one considers that median family income taxes have increased from $9 in 1948 to $2,218 in 1983, or by 246 times. This is runaway taxation at its worst.
Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90 percent of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.
Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets. If the Government took 100 percent of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for seven days.
www.uhuh.com...
Oh and WHERE do those taxes taken from the poor and middle class actually go???
WHY to the RICH of course
With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.
Federal Government contributions to transfer payments are the fees to transfer money from bank to bank. The Tax Payer gets stuck with that as well as the interest on the Debt paid to the Federal Reserve (private bankers)
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