Wikileaks Cable Disclosure: What The Media Is Not Telling You, page 1

We have all read through various media reports on Wikileaks Cablegate. Curious thing to note is all the major media outlets highlighted similar information such as:
a) US spying on UN diplomats
b) Sunni Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt asking US to attack Shiite Iran
c) Anecdotes about various political leaders such as Putin, Sarkozy, Gaddafi, Ahmadinejad, Prince Andrew, Berlusconi etc.
d) China's role in hacking of Google computer systems
e) China's growing distance from North Korea
And few more of such releases.

It is curious to note that almost all major media outlets are highlighting similar such "selected" content. Most of the public due to their dependency on MSM go through these media reports only, without bothering to actually read the cables in their entirety. Given below is some "selected" content what the media is not telling you and probably doesn't want the media dependent public to know:

Israel on Iran:
Mossad Chief's proposal to destabilize Iran by using propaganda media outlets such as Voice Of America (VOA) .

Dagan reiterated the need to strike at Iran's heart by engaging with its people directly. Voice of America (VOA) broadcasts are important, but more radio transmissions in Farsi are needed.

U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN

Forcing regime change by formeting unrest among Student groups and ethnic groups. Remember the election protests were held by Student groups in 2009 Presidential campaign against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

u]Force Regime Change: Dagan said that more should be done to foment regime change in Iran, possibly with the support of student democracy movements, and ethnic groups (e.g., Azeris, Kurds, Baluchs) opposed to the ruling regime.

U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN

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Israel on Palestine
The below given comments reiterates Netanyahu intentions against Palestinians people who were uprooted during creation of Israel.

Netanyahu noted that he thought dropping the "right of return" was the acid test of Arab intentions and insisted that he would never allow a single Palestinian refugee to return to Israel.

CODEL ACKERMAN'S MEETING WITH OPPOSITION LEADER BINYAMIN NETANYAHU

The below given comments tells of Israeli intentions to never allow a independent Palestinian state with no control over it's territory, border, people, media or even to have power to form treaties wtith other countries.

Netanyahu: A Palestinian state must be demilitarized, without control over its air space and electro-magnetic field, and without the power to enter into treaties or control its borders.

CODEL KYL'S MEETING WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU:

Netanyahu said he was prepared for "arrangements" with the Palestinians that would entail some limits on their sovereignty such as no Palestinian army, and Israeli control over borders, airspace, and the electromagnetic spectrum.

CODELS ACKERMAN AND CASEY MEETINGS WITH PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU
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US on Israel
US diplomat comment on Israel that it hopes others (US) will solve Iran problem for them either through force or diplomatic means.

Israelis hope that the others will solve the Iranian problem for them, or as Vice PM Shimon Peres has said, "I do not think that the matter of Iran needs to be turned into an Israeli problem -- it is a matter of concern for the whole world."

ISRAELI INTENTIONS REGARDING THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM

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US 30 billion dollar aid to Israel (2008 - 2018)
At the time of economic crisis in United States the aid for Israel is free flowing as always.

In an August 17 meeting, Israeli Mossad Chief Meir Dagan thanked Under Secretary Burns for America's support of Israel as evidenced by the previous day's signing of an MOU that provides Israel with USD 30 billion in security assistance from 2008-2018.

U/S BURNS' AUGUST 17 MEETING WITH ISRAELI MOSSAD CHIEF MEIR DAGAN

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United States delivery of bunker buster bomb to Israel for attacks on Iran.
United States secretly transferring bunker buster bombs to Israel in future preparation for attack on Iran.

The GOI described 2010 as a critical year -- if the Iranians continue to protect and harden their nuclear sites, it will be more difficult to target and damage them. Both sides then discussed the upcoming delivery of GBU-28 bunker busting bombs to Israel, noting that the transfer should be handled quietly to avoid any allegations that the USG is helping Israel prepare for a strike against Iran.

40TH JOINT POLITICAL-MILITARY GROUP: EXECUTIVE SESSION (PART 1 OF 4)
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Russia On Iran
The below comment is in reference to Obama's statement that he will have direct unconditional talks with Iran which never happened.

Lavrov commended the new U.S. approach to Iran, welcoming President Obama's readiness for the U.S. to engage "fully" in talks with Iran. Willingness to discuss "all" the issues was a welcome step, and one which Russia had been advocating for several years, Lavrov said. Iran wielded a lot of influence in the region, including on Afghanistan, Iraq, Hizbollah, Hamas, Gaza, etc. Iran had long been concerned about Israel, and saw Pakistan as a nuclear-weapons competitor.

Below given statements tells us about Russia's stance that it does not see Iran as US wants them too.

Lavrov cautioned that Russia did not perceive Iran in the same way as the U.S. Iran for Russia was "much more than a country which might cause concern in the international community." Russia opposed Iran getting a nuclear weapon, because Russia did not want any more "members of the nuclear club," but Iran and Russia were historical and traditional partners and neighbors, with a "rich bilateral agenda."

While Iran wanted to dominate the region and the Islamic world, which was of concern to Arab governments, the U.S. should realize that the "Arab Street" considers Iranian leaders to be heroes.

FM LAVROV DISCUSSES MISSILE DEFENSE AND IRAN WITH

Asked about Russian views on the Qom revelation in New York September 25, FM Lavrov adopted a strikingly softer tone than in the just released Kremlin statement. He noted that Iran had acted positively by notifying the IAEA about its plans to construct a new nuclear facility, and complained that some of Russia's "partner countries" in the P5-plus-1 had not shared information about the Qom facility earlier. Lavrov stressed that Iran's cooperation with the world community as a member of the NPT with non-nuclear status could prove the peaceful nature of its nuclear program.

Before the most recent P5-plus-1 meeting in Geneva, PM Putin said that Russia would not support "significant" changes to its approach on Iran. Ariel Cohen, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, said Putin and Lavrov told him in early September that they are opposed to tougher sanctions and the use of force against Iran.

MEDVEDEV, PUTIN, AND RUSSIA'S IRAN POLICY
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Russia On S-300 Sales to Iran
Russia's statements on selling of Missile Defense Shield to Iran.

Russia's S-300 contract with Iran did not violate any international or national laws or arms control regimes, and that the S-300's were a defensive system only. He added that nothing Russia had sold Iran had been used against anyone, whereas U.S. weapons provided to Georgia had been used against Russian soldiers.

Senator Levin asked whether Iran believed the S-300 sale was canceled or just suspended. Ryabkov replied that a contract existed, and it was impossible to break a contract without consequences. He repeated that Moscow had taken U.S. and Israeli concerns into account, and at present Russia was not providing any components of the system to Teheran. Thus, it was "obvious the degree to which Iran was dissatisfied with this," he said. But, the contract was not canceled, it was merely "frozen," Ryabkov stressed. He argued that "the less we hear from Washington about this, the better."

FM LAVROV DISCUSSES MISSILE DEFENSE AND IRAN WITH
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China on Iran
China's stance on Iran issue that more diplomacy was needed and tongue in cheek coment with reference to Iraq.

Wang pressed U/S Burns for details on when the limits of U.S. patience might be exhausted and counseled further efforts to find a diplomatic solution. Burns replied that U.S. patience was nearly exhausted. Wang acknowledged that there was a potential for an Israeli military strike were the situation not handled properly, which was of grave concern to China, but insisted that harsh actions were not yet warranted. Recent U.S. experience with a military option, he said, should teach some lessons, and the outcome of tougher sanctions was also unpredictable. The United States needed to understand that Iran was not Iraq, and the best way forward was to continue to pursue peaceful dialogue and negotiations and to carefully examine previous diplomatic efforts to see what changes needed to be made.

UNDER SECRETARY BURNS MEETING WITH CCID DIRECTOR WANG JIARUI ON IRAN, NORTH KOREA
Chinas view of Iran as trading parteners will not be changed as seen from the comments.

Regarding China-Iran energy cooperation, Cheng believes that there is a “misunderstanding” on the part of the United States. China has made clear its need for energy resources and has previously stated that its cooperation with Iran on energy has nothing to do with the Iran nuclear issue. China hopes that the U.S. Congress understands this point, said Cheng. Specifically, the threat of sanctions against Sinopec is a very serious issue, Cheng emphasized. Sinopec is very important to China and Cheng “can’t imagine” the consequences if the company is sanctioned. Januzzi noted Cheng’s concerns and said that he would pass this message to Washington.

STAFFDEL JANUZZI DISCUSSES NONPROLIFERATION, IRAN, AND DPRK WITH MFA ARMS CONTROL DIRECTOR GENERAL
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Turkey on Palestine
Turkey's condemnation of Israel on issue of Palestine - Gaza.

Hurriyet, Milliyet, Sabah, Aksam, Haberturk, Cumhuriyet, Yeni Safak and Zaman report the mayor of the Black Sea province of Rize, Halil Bakirci, had an "unpleasant" exchange of remarks during a meeting with visiting Israeli Ambassador, Gaby Levy. Mayor Bakirci told the Israeli Ambassador that the attitude of Turkish people toward Israel would not change as long as Israel continues its "expansionist policies." "The people of Rize will defend themselves in the face of such threats, but they will not kill babies," said Bakirci.

Erdogan emphasized Turkey was in close relationship both with the West and the Islamic world. "Defending the rights and humanity in the face of the Israeli atrocities in Gaza cannot be characterized as shifting politics," said Erdogan.

TURKISH MEDIA REACTION
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US Pressure on Turkey for it's Iran's stance
Looks like Turkey is not toeing US line on Iran.

During an October 21 meeting with MFA Undersecretary Sinirlioglu, the Ambassador challenged Prime Minister Erdogan's recent dismissal of international community allegations that Iran intends to acquire nuclear weapons as "gossip."
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Erdogan's recent comments on Iran's nuclear program amount to a defense of Tehran's defiance of the international community's will. His desire for a "good" Washington visit is the goad we will continue use to try to turn him back towards the international community consensus on Iran. We will also emphasize to Erdogan's senior bureuacrats and, when the opportunity arises, to President Gul their interest in reining in Erdogan on Iran.

WORKING ERDOGAN BACK INTO THE FOLD ON IRAN

Burns acknowledged Turkey's exposure to the economic effects of sanctions as a neighbor to Iran, but reminded Sinirlioglu Turkish interests would suffer if Israel were to act militarily to forestall Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons or if Egypt and Saudi Arabia were to seek nuclear arsenals of their own.

U/S BURNS' FEBRUARY 18 MEETINGS WITH U/S SINIRLIOGLU
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US pressure on Foreign Govts. to pressure Russia over S-300 Missile Defense System sale to Iran.
Hillary Clinton's cable to various embassies to pressure the respective host government to further pressure Russia not to sell missile defense system to Iran.

Posts are requested to approach appropriate host government officials regarding the possible transfer of the S-300 air-defense system from Russia to Iran. Post should draw from the following talking points. --In the spirit of our bilateral cooperation, we request your government,s support in urging Russia to not transfer a highly sophisticated air defense system to Iran.

ACTION REQUEST: RUSSIA S-300 MISSILE TO IRAN
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France and US on 2007 Iran NIE (National Intelligence Estimate): If anyone remembers in 2007 all 16 US Intelligence agencies gave unanimous judgment that Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon four years earlier. Seems like France and US govt. did not like their assessment. One has to ask if the intelligence agencies know Iran is not building nuclear weapons why are US & alies hell bent on sanctioning Iran.

Both interlocutors called the NIE a "disaster" that has "substantially jeopardized" progress on Iran in the short term and will have lasting consequences, including eliminating France's ability to build consensus in Europe. French views are unchanged, but many others have been affected, and the NIE destroyed not just the momentum of the international community but also what little leverage France and the international community had on less radical Iranian elements. Errera noted that the timing of the release of the NIE was especially bad, with EU Political Directors having been poised for a new UNSC resolution just before the NIE release. He said at the IISS Manama Dialogue in December, speculation was rampant about why the current U.S. administration did not better manage the report's fallout by postponing its release or changing the characterization of Iran's enrichment activities as exclusively civil.

SARKOZY, KOUCHNER ADVISERS ON NATO, RUSSIA, IRAN, AND SARKOZY
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France on Russia over Iran
France seems unhappy about Russia's stance on Iran.

President Sarkozy's private meeting in Moscow with President Putin, Putin was very hardline on Iran (notwithstanding Russia's exports of fuel for Bushehr), but that in the subsequent press conference, Putin distanced himself on this issue, to Sarkozy's surprise and chagrin. Errera said that in the past, Russia did not mind hurting Iran as long as Russia was not hurt as well; now Russia seems not to want to hurt the Iranians.

SARKOZY, KOUCHNER ADVISERS ON NATO, RUSSIA, IRAN, AND SARKOZY
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France to Israel on Palestine
When France asked Israel to start an independent probe on Goldstone report, Netanyahu snubbed Sarkozy.

President Sarkozy called Prime Minister Netanyahu directly on October 26, Bereyziat reported, to urge him to establish an independent investigation into the actions of the Israeli Defense Forces in Gaza. Sarkozy informed Netanyahu that such a step would decrease pressure on Israel and its allies stemming from the Goldstone Report. Netanyahu responded briskly: "No way."

FRANCE-ISRAEL STRATEGIC DIALOGUE COVERS TURKEY, PEACE PROCESS, SYRIA
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Egypt on Iraq
Another of US closest allies Egypt showing it's true color of installing a dictator in Iraq and not pushing democracy. Goes on to show Egyptians stance on democracy.

On Iraq, Mubarak said "you cannot leave" but advised strengthening the military and allowing a "fair" dictator to come to power via a coup. "Forget democracy," he opined, "the Iraqis are too tough by nature."

Mubarak explained his recipe for a way forward: "strengthen the armed forces, relax your hold, and then you will have a coup. Then we will have a dictator, but a fair one. Forget democracy, the Iraqis are by their nature too tough."

CODEL BAIRD MEETS WITH EGYPTIAN LEADERS ON MARGINS OF WEF
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Oman on Iran
Oman raised the point of Arab Sunni nations stand against Shiite Iran. One has to remember Sunni and Shiite do not see each other eye to eye.

General Ali singled out Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar as three Gulf countries that probably would want the U.S. to strike Iran. However, he urged the U.S. to determine whether such voices were speaking on the basis of logic or emotion. He likened private entreaties of these countries to the U.S. for military action on Iran to the Iraqi opposition in exile providing the U.S. false information on Iraq that led to the invasion of Iraq.

OMAN REMAINS WARY OF IRANIAN EXPANSIONISM
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To be continued when new cables are released....

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Can you get to the Wikileak website this morning? Just wondering if the site has again been attacked, or if the US has blocked it's content as suggested on the second headline of the Drudge Report, "US cuts access to files".

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Yes I have had no problem accessing Wikileaks. The US govt. has actually severed one of it's servers through which cables were leaked.

Originally posted by 1curious1
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Can you get to the Wikileak website this morning? Just wondering if the site has again been attacked, or if the US has blocked it's content as suggested on the second headline of the Drudge Report, "US cuts access to files".

I can't get to it at all so far today.



Lots of headlines due to the Wikileaks leaks that China is no longer backing North Korea, and on the face of it, it appears the New Guard in Beijing, who wish to drop North Korea in favour of South Korea, are prevailing in wishing to see North Korea dropped in preference for the South, and a United Korea as long as it's no threat to China. There's a Old Guard-New Guard struggle in Beijing, The Old Guard think bonds with North Korea should not be broken, having been forged in blood by The Korean War, while The New Guard favour dropping North Korea in favour of South Korea.

But. Let's be careful and cautious here.

The main allegation in the leaks that China is ready to drop North Korea comes from South Korea's Vice Foreign Minister telling a US Ambassador what two Chinese officials had told him.

US embassy cables: China 'would accept' Korean reunification

Let's be very cautious. South Korea has an interest in convincing the US that China does not back North Korea, to placate American concerns regarding North Korea and any US concern that it may find itself in disagreement with or upsetting Beijing, and it is also in the South Korean interest to trumpet to the US that China supports the prospect of a Korea united under the South.

Because of this claim in the US Embassy cables about China wanting to drop North Korea comes from a South Korean Vice Foreign Minister, I am cautious.

I personally find the following even more interesting:

From the Link:

7. (S) Chun acknowledged the Ambassador's point that a strong ROK-Japan relationship would help Tokyo accept a reunified Korean Peninsula under Seoul's control. Chun asserted that, even though "Japan's preference" was to keep Korea divided, Tokyo lacked the leverage to stop reunification in the event the DPRK collapses.

According to South Korea's Vice Foreign Minister, Japan wants to keep South Korea divided.


Another US Embassy cable:

US embassy cables: China favours Korean reunification in long term


From the Link:

NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR TESTS, DOMESTIC POLITICS

10. (C) Guoping seemed genuinely concerned by North Korea's recent

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nuclear missile tests. "We need to solve this problem. It is very troublesome," he said, calling Korea's nuclear activity a "threat to the whole world's security." China opposes North Korea's nuclear testing and is working to achieve peace and stability on the Korean peninsula, according to Guoping. When asked about the reunification of Korea, Guoping said China hopes for peaceful reunification in the long-term, but he expects the two countries to remain separate in the short-term. Guoping said the domestic political situation in North Korea is "very complex" and suggested that Kim Jong-il's reported decision to anoint his youngest son as his successor was driven more by Kim's deteriorating health than any carefully planned strategy. "They had no time to plan for this," he said. Guoping said the "military really governs" North Korea and controls domestic politics and foreign policy. He suggested that Kim Jong-il's announcement was designed to send a message to the military and the great powers that he is really in charge and in control. Guoping said China's objectives in North Korea were to ensure they honor their commitments on nonproliferation, maintain stability, and "don't drive [Kim Jong-il] mad."

Here a Chinese Ambassador explains China is in favour of reunification, but is very careful not to say whether that would be under the North or South.

The New Guard do seem to be prevailing, but these cables are from what I have read thus far:

1) A demonstration of what an ambassador or minister will tell a representative of the US. This does not mean this is Chinese policy, merely what may be the Chinese policy to tell the Americans, so that Chinese real policy is not revealed too much to the sunlight. Consider it like a game of cards.

2) The strongest impression that China is ready to drop North Korea and support A United Korea ruled by Seoul comes from a South Korean Vice Foreign Minister to a US Ambassador, regaling what the Chinese had told him. Let us note that it is in South Korea's interest to say China has stopped supporting North Korea, but also that this claim is told by not the Chinese, but a South Korean government minister who is delivering this report second-hand.

3) The revelation I think from this, that I should not find surprising is the South Korean impression Japan DOES NOT support a reunified Korea, which does not seem to have garnered much interest in the media. Japan's alleged stance can be understood when we realise Korea would be a powerful neighbour if united, an economic rival to Japan, and what Japan fears most, a possible United Korea that is close to China.


The following US Embassy cable leak gives details of a conversation between Singapore Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew (A very powerful figure in Singapore) and US diplomats which stands in stark contrast to what the South Korean Vice Foreign Minister said about China's stance towards North Korea:


US embassy cables: Former Singapore PM on 'psychopathic' North Koreans

From the Link, I have extracted the most interesting points, emboldening parts of particular interest:

4. (S) Deputy Secretary Steinberg met with Singapore Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew on May 30 on the margins of the Shangri-La Dialogue, the annual international security forum held in Singapore. The Deputy Secretary used the meeting with MM Lee to stress the importance of Chinese cooperation in addressing the North Korea nuclear issue and to elicit MM Lee's views on China and North Korea. MM Lee said the Chinese do not want North Korea to have nuclear weapons. At the same time, the Chinese do not want North Korea, which China sees as a buffer state, to collapse. The ROK would take over in the North and China would face a U.S. presence at its border. If China has to choose, Beijing sees a North Korea with nuclear weapons as less bad for China than a North Korea that has collapsed, he stated.

According to MM Lee, The Chinese do not want North Korea to have nuclear weapons, but do not want North Korea to collapse as the ROK would take over the North and China would have a US Presence on it's borders.

This flies in the face of what the South Korean Vice Foreign Minister claimed about China no longer backing North Korea and being happy to see a United Korea ruled by Seoul.

5. (S) MM Lee said he asked Deputy Chief of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) General Staff Ma Xiaotian what China can do about North Korea. General Ma's Delphic answer was that "they can survive on their own." MM Lee said he interpreted this as meaning that even if China cut off aid, the DPRK leadership would survive. This is a leadership that has already taken actions like killing ROK Cabinet Members in Burma and shooting down a KAL flight. If they lose power, they will end up facing justice at The Hague, like Milosevic. They have been so isolated for so long that they have no friends, not even Russia. They have not trusted China since the Chinese began cultivating ties with the ROK, given China's interest in attracting foreign investment, he said. The Deputy Secretary noted that the DPRK could have a fair and attractive deal if it would change its approach. If not, North Korea faces a change of course by the United States, the ROK and Japan.

North Korea facing 'A change of course' meaning if it did not change it's approach, it would face US/ROK/Japanese military action?

6. (S) The Deputy Secretary noted that North Korea's decisions will have an impact in Japan. MM Lee said he believes Japan may well "go nuclear." The Chinese must have factored this into their calculations and concluded that the prospect of Japan with nuclear weapons is less bad than losing North Korea as a buffer state. The Chinese take a long-term view and must think that within a few years the DPRK's current leadership will be gone and there will be new leadership, with new thinking. But there will still be a North Korea, he said.

MM Lee believes, and China according to him believes that Japan may acquire nuclear weapons. According to MM Lee, China would see losing North Korea as a buffer state as worse than Japan acquiring nuclear weapons.

7. (S) MM Lee said he wishes the USG well in its efforts on North Korea, but he would be surprised if the North Koreans agree to give up nuclear weapons. They might give up a first-strike capacity, but they want nuclear weapons in case the USG decides to seek regime change. They are psychopathic types, with a "flabby old chap" for a leader who prances around stadiums seeking adulation.

MM Lee states that North Korea posesses nuclear weapons to deter regime change, which everyone already knows.

USG = United States Government.

8. (S) MM Lee said the ROK, after seeing what had happened with German unification, does not want immediate unification with the DPRK. There is "nothing there" in the DPRK, other than a military organization. Kim Jong-Il has already had a stroke. It is just a matter of time before he has another stroke.The next leader may not have the gumption or the bile of his father or grandfather. He may not be prepared to see people die like flies. China is calculating all this. They have their best men on the job. They want to help the United States to advance common objectives. But they do not want the South to take over the North, MM Lee said.

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In conclusion, it seems from this US Embassy Cable (If MM Lee is to be believed) that while China may be tired of Kim Jong-il, they like having North Korea as a buffer state so that South Korea does not take over so that there is a US Presence on the Chinese border, and that China sees losing North Korea as a buffer as worse than seeing Japan attain nuclear weapons, which seems to be taken as an increasing liklihood.

The Chinese, according MM Lee, are banking on the current generation of North Korean leaders to be gone soon in favour of a new generation, and hope Kim Jong-un will not be so much like his father and Grandfather.

Of course, whose side China is on depends on who you believe, a South Korean government minister in whose government's interest it's in is to tell the US that China is on South Korea's side, (And in whose ear China may be whispering sweet nothings knowing it will be passed on to the US) or the most powerful man in Singapore who has been on the political scene for the past 50 years or more in East Asia and knows the neighbourhood.


Of course, who prevails Old Guard-New Guard wise will ensure whose side China does take in reality.


These Wikileaks leaks do seem "controlled" to the extent that it appears, through media portrayal and some of the leaks, that Iran and North Korea are the ones that are most targetted.

What I mean by this is that I find it very interesting that it's leaked that the US's Arab allies in the region want to see Iran bombed. No surprises there, but this, and the claim North Korea has given missiles to Iran capable of hitting Europe (Where have he heard that sort of stuff before? Are they ready to fire in 45 mins? Yawn) it does wonders for Israel's public relations in it's desire for war with Iran. Iran can hit Europe! Thanks to North Korea! The Arab world is with us against Iran! etc.

Similarily, a US Embassy Cable regarding a South Korean government minister's claims that China is ready to stop supporting North Korea is much hyped by the MSM (and willed on by The Obama administration and Seoul, possibly) and could encourage those who wish to just launch an attack on North Korea, and give comfort to those who are concerned about what China would do if war breaks out.

I think the MSM is promoting leaks that fit agendas, so US Embassy Cables that could be used to give justification for war with Iran are promoted, as well as the ones where North Korea are portrayed as having no friends and are about to topple.

Is Wikileaks to blame, or are it's releases just being manipulated and certain ones promoted to advance agendas set by TPTB and the MSM?

That is the question.

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Wow. Thank you for digging out this info out and putting it together so beautifully... Much of this is not nice for Israel at all. For example, it proves that Israel is pushing US to attack Iran, whilst remaining uninvolved itself.

The statements on Palestine are very revealing and IMO pretty damning.

Thanks for making the effort to get this out. I've said so many times in the last couple of days that people are jumping to all sorts of conclusions based on virtually no knowledge of what is contained in the leaks - except what they've read in the MSM. It was very similar last time when the war logs were released.

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Egypt on Iraq
Another of US closest allies Egypt showing it's true color of installing a dictator in Iraq and not pushing democracy. Goes on to show Egyptians stance on democracy.

On Iraq, Mubarak said "you cannot leave" but advised strengthening the military and allowing a "fair" dictator to come to power via a coup. "Forget democracy," he opined, "the Iraqis are too tough by nature."


Mubarak explained his recipe for a way forward: "strengthen the armed forces, relax your hold, and then you will have a coup. Then we will have a dictator, but a fair one. Forget democracy, the Iraqis are by their nature too tough."

Mm, this also shows what a phenomenal miscalculation US made about Iraq...and what a mess they have created.

Moreover, here are two foreign countries making decisions in secret about installing a dictatorship in Iraq - and it shows how disgraceful some at least of US 'foreign policy' actually is.... the bloodshed involved in such a tactic would be huge.

I wonder if the much vaunted alleged pulling out of some US troops had anything to do with this?

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France and US on 2007 Iran NIE (National Intelligence Estimate): If anyone remembers in 2007 all 16 US Intelligence agencies gave unanimous judgment that Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon four years earlier. Seems like France and US govt. did not like their assessment. One has to ask if the intelligence agencies know Iran is not building nuclear weapons why are US & alies hell bent on sanctioning Iran.

Both interlocutors called the NIE a "disaster" that has "substantially jeopardized" progress on Iran in the short term and will have lasting consequences, including eliminating France's ability to build consensus in Europe. French views are unchanged, but many others have been affected, and the NIE destroyed not just the momentum of the international community but also what little leverage France and the international community had on less radical Iranian elements. Errera noted that the timing of the release of the NIE was especially bad, with EU Political Directors having been poised for a new UNSC resolution just before the NIE release. He said at the IISS Manama Dialogue in December, speculation was rampant about why the current U.S. administration did not better manage the report's fallout by postponing its release or changing the characterization of Iran's enrichment activities as exclusively civil.

Wow - talk about an Agenda... and it seems even complaining that a report wasn't stalled or falsified to suit the Agenda.

And the consensus that there was no nuclear weapon being built is described as a disaster... how disgusting is that - and what Agenda might it suggest?

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Question about the info. Was the info posted from leaked Israel cables, or was it gathered from US cables talking about Israel?

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http:cablegate.__._ is down now. It has to do with Amazon terminating their service with Wikileaks.

WIKILEAKS IS DOWN AFTER AMAZON PULLS THE PLUG

Looks like a back room pressure from US agencies to me.

Edit: Update: The website is up now but extremely slow from continuous attacks on it.

Originally posted by Prince Of Darkness
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http:cablegate.__._ is down now. It has to do with Amazon terminating their service with Wikileaks.

WIKILEAKS IS DOWN AFTER AMAZON PULLS THE PLUG

Looks like a back room pressure from US agencies to me.

Indeed. Very timely of Amazon.

Originally posted by Prince Of Darkness
Edit: Update: The website is up now but extremely slow from continuous attacks on it.

It's so slow it might as well be still down, it's that bad.

As for whose attacking it, anybody's guess. Whatever comes out in the next batch of leaks that appear on Wikileaks may give some clues to the culprits who may have something to hide.

Currently relying on The Guardian and other MSM's slow drip-feed of the latest cables, which is not ideal. There's some nuggets coming out from the leaks at Wikileaks that the MSM are simply not covering.

Thanks much OP, thorough job thats for sure. ATS has just stepped up to a new level of intelligence classification now with this raw info.

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electro-magnetic field ?????????

We wouldn't want those pesky Palestinians to radio out for help or communicate with each other now would we...(tasteless sarcasm for heartless zionists)

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