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Originally posted by rogertom
A lot of so called thought scientific fact throughout history, has been turned on its head further down the line. A planet x or whatever name you use, may well turn out to be fact soon enough.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Bedlam
Please be as honest and unbiased as you answer this question.
Do you think, in say....100 years, we'll look back and realize the Scientists of 2010 were among the brightest Beings to ever walk the planet and totally nailed the whole space/time continuum conundrum? And all their hypothesis didn't change one bit?
Don't you think every generation thinks they're the smartest? And now that we have re-started keeping records (unlike the ancient records that have basically been destroyed) it's amazing how we're even questioning Einstein let alone.....toasted Copernicus! And they were among the smartest for their times!
Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by W3RLIED2
It is possible that a Microsoft mouse controller is going to exit my rear in the near future... This would explain the stomach pain!!! This would explain the missing mouse.. IT MUST BE TRUE!!!
Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by NWOnoworldorder
Ok … I had posted this previously .. But, will happily post again!
Ok Lets start with the most common Pro- Nibiru (I love that Microsoft Word Doesn’t recognize “Nibiru” That’s all the proof I need! Jking)
1) “Nibiru could exist” –
Let me be very clear when I say IMPOSSIBLE! Nibiru is said to have a elliptical orbit. This would be impossible. This orbit would be highly unstable. Eventually the planet would move into a circular orbit becoming part of our “normal” solar system, or fly off into space. This is just how it goes.
2) Allot of astronomers believe that Planet X exists!! –
Ok for over a hundred years allot of astronomers believed that there could be another planet. Here was their error – They didn’t have the orbits of the outer planets correct. Now it is known that there is nothing strange about their orbit and the calculations add up perfectly.
3) NASA has photos of planet X –
Nope!!! IRAS satellite in 1983 spotted something unexplained, that eventually was revealed to be a very distant galaxy. But the MSM spread that NASA had found a tenth planet.
4) “The Russians have photos from the Norlock project ” –
HOAX HOAX HOAX – This has been proven without a doubt to be a hoax. Anyone can search this and find that it has been proven to be false!
5) “The sky is falling, look at all of the volcanic activity!!!!” –
BS – Planet X would only have a tiny faction of the gravitational effects that Jupiter has. Likewise Jupiter only has a tiny fraction of the gravitational pull that the moon and sun exert on our planet daily!
6) There is an extinction level event every 3600 years –
WRONG! They originally thought it was 26 to 32 million years… Then it was discovered that there was no pattern at all – The key point here is… They weren’t even looking into Planet X – They were looking into Nemesis – “A twin sun” - Yes 3600 years ago a volcano erupted (thera)– but these happen all the time.
I am going to end here and ask you to show me your proof and I will dispute it. I have done enough of my own research for myself. I believe with 100% certainty that I had a momentary lapse of reason when I thought that it “MIGHT” exist.
edit on 12/1/2010 by Resurrectio because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bedlam
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Bedlam
May I just remind you, we're still trying to figure out our own DNA.
So you're making it sound like, we've got 'outer-space' ALL FIGURED OUT. We just demoted Pluto for gawd sakes and now...they're having second thoughts.
Whether you want to class something as a planet or planetesimal is one thing. Celestial mechanics is quite another. Orbits are the sort of thing that's not THAT hard to calculate. Which is why we've got these really neat things called "ephemerides" which can tell you where the planets will be and have been. Magic!
There's also the whole physics thing where you don't get to take a planet and make it zoom all over the solar system randomly. That's even easier than calculating orbits.
You don't get to make this stuff up. It happens in really predictable ways, unless you're looking for tiny little errors caused by relativity or the like. At the macro-scale, you just don't get planets changing orbits and taking a pass or two through the inner system, then making a few turns and going back to a nice orbital plane orbit.
And maybe you'd care to explain how you get all sorts of nice tidal locks, like the one the Moon has with the Earth, which took eons to happen, that are still nicely locked? A pass of a planet through the inner system would screw that sort of thing to hell and back.
And there's still Roche's limit, which apparently neither Sitchen nor yourself has heard of. You don't get to run a big planet that close to others and not have a happening. Only that requires an understanding of tides, and I guess you don't believe that's predictable either.
There's no reason at this time to doubt Sitchens findings. When 'they' get our modern bible figured out then maybe, I'll entertain listening to our modern Know-it-alls.
Easy. Here you go. Bible: myth. Sitchen: crank.
Seriously, a little college algebra buys you entry into the Wonderful World of Orbital Mechanics, although first semester calculus would really help. Remember, Kepler had this stuff nearly figured out in 1605.edit on 1-12-2010 by Bedlam because: spelling correction
Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by bigyin
This is my opinion on what I think is happening with this "unexpected" heavenly body:
I don't beleive for a minute NASA does not already know that this body exists in our solar system. This is more public preparation for announcement. I think that secret Air Force space ship was checking it out. Why they are feeling they have to disclose the information now after hiding it for so long, I don't know. They found it in the 80's. Maybe we are going to be seeing it soon and they won't be shout everyone down by screeching that it's lense glare, swamp gas or Venus anymore.
We will be seeing articles spinning about how this body is affecting the climate and how it will affect earth. They are going to have to overcome the doctrines of the end of the world doomsters. Even if it the future is heading towards doom, the government and their "smart" minions are not going to want the public to know that. They will all sing from the same page of "settled science" and there will be no deviation in public - as usual. They will attack doomsters like there is no tomorrow and underplay the affect this visitor will have on our solar system. When the public finally knows about this, that will be end of globalism's man made climate change game. We will all know why the climate is acting up.
Originally posted by subject9
I found a new pic of planet X for people to give opinions.
Is it planet X or Nibru?
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"The Sun appears so small from that distance that you could completely block it out with the head of a pin," said Dr. Mike Brown, Caltech associate professor of planetary astronomy and leader of the research team. The object, unofficially named "Sedna," is 13 billion kilometers (8 billion miles) away from Earth.
This is likely the first detection of the long-hypothesized "Oort cloud," a faraway repository of small icy bodies that supplies the comets that streak by Earth.
The extremely elliptical orbit of Sedna is unlike anything previously seen by astronomers; however, it resembles that of objects predicted to lie in the hypothetical Oort cloud. The cloud is thought to explain the existence of certain comets. It is believed to surround the Sun and extend outward halfway to the star closest to the Sun. But Sedna is 10 times closer than the predicted distance of the Oort cloud. Brown says this "inner Oort cloud" may have been formed by gravity from a rogue star near the Sun in the solar system's early days.
Brown explained, "The star would have been close enough to be brighter than the full Moon, and it would have been visible in the daytime sky for 20,000 years." Worse, it would have dislodged comets farther out in the Oort cloud, leading to an intense comet shower that could have wiped out any life that existed on Earth at the time.
Kepler's Law will be interesting when Humans teleport their arses up to a distant planet in the near future. They'll look back and think 'who were those apes in ties with all those telescopes, rulers, pencils and erasers?"
These laws are important for calculating the orbit of a planet with only partial information. In essence, the discovery of Neptune and Pluto involved a reverse application of these laws and the law of gravity, to predict where a planet might be based on how it was affecting the orbit of another planet.
FIRST LAW: Each planetary orbit is an ellipse, with the Sun at one focus of the ellipse.
SECOND LAW: The line joining the planet to the sun sweeps out equal areas for equal time intervals. This means: The closer a planet is to the Sun in its orbit, the faster it moves.
THIRD LAW: The cube of a planet's semi-major axis of its orbit, divided by the square of its orbital period, is a constant. So, where d is the length of the semi-major axis and t is the time it takes for an orbit, d3 /t2 is the same for all planets. Simply put: The farther a planet is from the Sun, the longer it takes to complete an orbit.
Figure 1: Illustration of Kepler's three laws with two planetary orbits. (1) The orbits are ellipses, with focal points ƒ1 and ƒ2 for the first planet and ƒ1 and ƒ3 for the second planet. The Sun is placed in focal point ƒ1. (2) The two shaded sectors A1 and A2 have the same surface area and the time for planet 1 to cover segment A1 is equal to the time to cover segment A2. (3) The total orbit times for planet 1 and planet 2 have a ratio a13/2 : a23/2.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
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Originally posted by subject9
I found a new pic of planet X for people to give opinions.
Is it planet X or Nibru?
Planet X