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Originally posted by andy1033
Those students are very naive.
Police can make sure any protest is peaceful, and the other way round too.
Those students being violent is what they want, i mean police.
Originally posted by pikestaff
Insurance companies do not pay out during 'civil unrest', and what if someone got knifed? as for the Brit education system, the rich only want their children educated, so the best way is to make it too expensive for 'the lower classes' .
Those arrested were, perhaps, considered ring leaders and subversives, best put away for 're-education',
Ever since 'William the bastard' (1066) the Brits have been 'under the thumb' TPTB have had a long time to get it right in the UK, laws like " if you disturb a dear while it is feeding, you will killed" I bet it hasn't even been repealed yet.
Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
reply to post by PurpleDog UK
"Firstly, regarding the Student protesting, it surprizes me that ''intelligent'' students are actually unable to understand the new fees proposition. In reality, if you read it and digest it, it is a fairer and more appropriate system. Why shouldn't those who benefit from education pay back into society when they are able to 'AT A LATER DATE'....."
I don't think anyone is opposed to borrowing for their education and then paying it back later, it is the amount they will have to pay back that puts people off. Many people don't want to have a £40,000 or more debt hanging around their necks at such a young age, It worries them as we live in times where many people are struggling to just pay rent and mortgages. Whatever you might say, it will be easier for the wealthy to be educated, this amount of debt is not an option for some poorer folk to take a chance on. So what amount is reasonable to charge students per year, £9000, £20,000... or even more? There's only so far you can push people.
Also despite what the politicians may say about how this will work and it will be fairer, why would we trust them? Even in the current system I know people who were denied Student loans and finance. In one case it was because the person didn't earn enough in their years previous to University which resulted in them not meeting certain illogical criteria set out by the student finance people, so no education for them!
Changing the subject slightly here....there were at least a hundred police out in Manchester last night well before the students gathered. More followed including mounted police. Someone somewhere is wanting to contain these protests as much as possible. Although higher up the chain I believe it was probably the plan all along to squeeze people dry, watch them riot, then use it as an excuse to bring in more control.
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by PurpleDog UK
Your certainly right that society needs to change and soon..
I wrote a while ago about the different stages a society goes through and how this version of society is in it's death throes.. I referred in my post to the changes that went on in the 1830s.. but really it started with the luddites (industrial Britain) then to Swing Riots (rural Britain) before the accepted tipping point of change came in the form of the Tolepuddle Martyrs, and the Great Reforms the elite used to try to maintain their hold.
I really do feel we are recreating that patten change, the same allegations are being thrown at the elite as they did during the Lolard phase, or Peasants revolt, or the English civil war, all have the same founding allegations against the rich..
What the course or outcome of the change will be I have no idea, but going by history the only way this elite could subvert the change is a major external war to refocus our attentions.