Civil unrest in the uk..

Another day and another protest in the uk which turned into violent clashes with police..
153 people were arrested yesterday as student demonstrated against tuition fees.
Thousands of young people took to the streets yesterday as mp's debated the potential impact of the planned changes..
Are the next generation of youth in the uk, finally rising up against, tptb?
Is this the shape of things to come in the future? Is it a goos thing or a bad thing?
Thoughts please..

reply to post by Misterlondon


The problem I see is that this was probably originally a peaceful protest, then some police/government "plant" started a riot to make it look like they are nut jobs, and to give them an excuse to arrest them.

Originally posted by Misterlondon
Are the next generation of youth in the uk, finally rising up against, tptb?

Personaly i think its a fraction of the new generation having the balls to protest peacefully, and the majority of the new generation just there for the fun of disorder.

Again i watched the leaders of the protest demanding for there to be no kettling, but when you have people causing damage and mayhem just for the hell of it, you need the police there.

Personaly i would be all for police-free protests. The police have better things to do than deal with a load of people intent on wrecking the place. I say let them their protests without a police presence, but if it all kicks off, you have no say in the matter any more. Police attendance at all protests.

CX.

reply to post by thewholepicture


Maybe your right... In the last protest, a police van was parked 'conveniently', where the protesters were.. The van was then smashed up by protesters... These are the images that were plastered all over the papers and in the news..

I've always been a supporter of direct action, as long as no-one gets hurt, property can be fixed or replaced, that's what insurance is for, the last 10 years or so direct action has been a bit unfashionable, it seems it has become trendy again :-)

reply to post by CX


I do think the police presence does increase the chance of violence, especially kitted out in riot gear.. It adds to tension amongst the protesters which ultimately causes mayhem.. Also do the police actually provoke them, even people who don't know each other, they will automatically feel an allegiance to one another.. If the police manhandle or disrespect one, they whole situation will erupt..

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
I've always been a supporter of direct action, as long as no-one gets hurt, property can be fixed or replaced, that's what insurance is for, the last 10 years or so direct action has been a bit unfashionable, it seems it has become trendy again :-)

Yeah I'm kinda thinking the same, my generation we just sat back and allowed these things to happen..
The younger generation seem to stand up for their rights alot more, maybe that's what we need to kick the goverment up the backside, they might think twice when bringing in new legislation that take from the people.. If this will be the reaction of the people..
Even now for example they are talking about this situation, So it's kinda had the desired effect..

I used to get quite heavily involved in protests, especially hunt sabotage, however attitudes changed towards direct action and to being Politicised toward the end of the 90's, people seemed to dumb down a little, times are hard and people are pissed off.

About bloody time people started to fight back, for too long people have just sat back and took it. The government needs to realise they're elected by the people to work for them and not do as they please.


The conservitive party are also making people work for their benefits because they claim these people are lazy layabouts and do not want to work.

Well heres a little known fact about the conservitive party, during the 1980s when Thatcher destroyed the steelworking, shipyard and coal mining industries they practically begged men aged in there 40s and 50s(whom had worked in said industries) to go on sickness benefit. Yes really, it was a counter measure to the very high unemployment list, in order to lower it.

So a few generations of young people grew up with their parents being on benefits and thus followed suit, they knew no better. We're basically reaping now what the Tories had sewn back in the 80s.

Labour done something similar by paying companies a lot of money to take people on as "trainees" in terrible jobs to work for their benefits in order to make the unemployment list seem smaller.

In short politics is just a big pile of BS and continuelly goes around in circles. Tories have always throughout history hit the poor the hardest when in power and when they're lynched for it, in will come Labour to appear to save the day.

Second verse same as the first.

I've been harping on like a stuck record that we as a nation might be heading towards the unrest of the 1830s.. high unemployment and underemployment, mixed with high numbers of the military being laid off, a navy cut to the bone, mixed with cold winters while the rich got richer off the back of poor led to some pretty extreme civil unrest with the South East going into what can only be described as open rebellion (thousands of riots across the region)

The drip drip drip of cuts and pay reduction vs inflation will have the same effect, which is in my mind can only be described as waterboarding for the masses.. and the dissent we see from the the students will continue gaining ground as the pain is felt in every corner of our society.

If we hit a really cold winter, and the rich are seen to benefit off the back of the poor, e.g from unfair fuel price increases it will bite them on the behind in a nasty way... As the rich become true 1830s blackhearts.

So I found it interesting that perhaps the coalition have the same thoughts, since they are pushing the greatest reform since the 1830s, and claiming to investigate the energy price hikes.. I can only conclude they trying to overt a similar occurrence.

My thoughts are we need that type of house clearing to get us back on an even keel.. but my fear is that the elite will take us to war before that can happen so that can reinforce their control over us

Yeah my Grandad was one of those very men on Sickness benefit after he was laid off from British Steel, Margaret Thatcher is a C*** and when she dies I'm going to p*ss on her grave, and if the current UK government decide to give her a state funeral, there will be more damage done to public property than a few broken windows or dented Police cars, I can tell you :-)

Ten years ago lots of us used to deride the UK for being such sheep and putting up with all the police state BS. Looks like they are starting to find thier testicles. Now maybe Americans can start looking for thier own! Good on those students I salute you! That is the spirit that eventually broke away from the King of England and established America. Maybe you guys need to show us yanks how it is done once again...

reply to post by thoughtsfull


Yep.. There are more cuts coming especially pay.. Prices are rising.. Rich get richer and poor get poorer...
And as for the winter, if the last few days are anything to go by, we are screwed!
I hope the students continue to fight for their rights, and hopefully the government, in their warm mansions eating caviar and drinking champagne, sit up and take notice..
Were not gonna take their bs anymore!

reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee


I don't think your alone in your thoughts there.. She is despised by millions of people In this country...

I think she will have a state funeral too, there has been some talk about it already..

Most of the violence is caused by rent-a-mob yobbos who are there purely to cause trouble and are ''doing it for the lulz''.

So, I'm afraid it's a bit naive for people to think that any window-smashing and violence is any kind of ''direct action''.

The irony is that the people applauding the vandalism and hooliganism, would have a completely different view of the riff-raff's actions when these people are doing similar damage back in their council estates.

I'm glad to see the police taking firm action against these thugs.

153 arrests is a pretty nice total !

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


There is alot of violence, vandalism and murder, on council estates everyday. Alot worse than what you have seen with these protests!
The things is they don't tell you in the news about that, and if your not from that world you would know absolutely nothing about that..
But even if it is a few people are causing trouble, at least it is for a cause and not just mindless violence..

Originally posted by Misterlondon
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Yep.. There are more cuts coming especially pay.. Prices are rising.. Rich get richer and poor get poorer...
And as for the winter, if the last few days are anything to go by, we are screwed!
I hope the students continue to fight for their rights, and hopefully the government, in their warm mansions eating caviar and drinking champagne, sit up and take notice..
Were not gonna take their bs anymore!

The rich are getting richer of the backs of the poor, it is not more obvious with the obscene energy issue's, which will turn nasty if this winter is really bitter, My fuel bill has gone from £60 a month (which included a rebate each year) to £190 a month in under 3 years, and during that time I have done a lot to cut my energy usage by a huge amount. But no mater what I do I can not cut enough to bring down my bills before the next price hike wipes out any saving.

While (at a cost) I am one of the lucky ones that can just about afford to cover the increases, What about the elderly and poor? if this winter is going to be nasty then I would say by spring the protests against the type of society will live in will start ramping up.. and finally the elite will get their Summer of Discontent..

I have two point to make here......

Firstly, regarding the Student protesting, it surprizes me that ''intelligent'' students are actually unable to understand the new fees proposition. In reality, if you read it and digest it, it is a fairer and more appropriate system. Why shouldn't those who benefit from education pay back into society when they are able to 'AT A LATER DATE'.....

The so called ''intelligent'' students are being manipulated and led by agitators whom have a political bias against change and a hatred of anything Non Labour, non socialist........ I think the student leaders should wake up to the fact that they are being completely mis-led...

Secondly, our society has caused this ''sheeple'' like behaviour and hatred in certain classes of society.... I see frequently on my travels, areas which are very affluent and other areas in the UK which are terrible places.... The polarisation of those with and those without is HUGE in this country.... Those agitators who cause the trouble are from a generation which has been failed by our society and politicians......

They come from a schooling which doesn't / didn't teach them values, ethics, winers and losers DO exist and you can't be a winner ALL the time.......

These are problems which are building and building but TPTB are 'scared' YES scared to really change things because of fear from the masses, from human right law etc etc etc..... We have got ourselves into a pickle.....


There will be more trouble and it will get worse when the wider population starts to realise that it's hurting too, VAT rise, Bankers still being rewarded for 'F***ing' us over, food prices rising..... the whole system needs a change and quickly.....

Regards

PurpleDOG UK

reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee


Your attitude is so 'Closed' that you'll never see any opportunity in your life..... Wake up man, you reliance on the past to justify your anger means you never look forward..

Those students are very naive.

Police can make sure any protest is peaceful, and the other way round too.

Those students being violent is what they want, i mean police.