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Americans, I Have Some Bad News For You

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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by monkey_descendant

Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by Kryties
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So you support the restriction of education from those who cannot afford it do you? Also the squashing of a persons right to a decent living free from slavery?

People like that are generally known as tyrants.


Call me what you want, I'm saying these countries are raising tuition and retirement age because they can't afford to pay for everyone to have free everything anymore...


That's not true. If you read my post I explained it to you
Of course someone has to pay for it, and if people live longer past retirement they will have to work longer. It's exactly the same policy, but slightly changed to make up for the fact that life expectancy has gone up. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford it.


That's ridiculous! Of course it has everything to do with not being able to afford it. If there wasn't a problem they wouldn't be raising the retirement age they would just leave it as is and pay everyone but the facts are they are running out of money just like we are to pay all of these pensions.
Pensions are ponzie schemes at best to start with.




posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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Sad state of affairs my friend.

People are looking for the next scape goat and the United States of America apparently volunteered for the position by engaging in the Middle East.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by ledzeppelin489
 


America is one of the greatest countries? Don't make me laugh

Dumb Things Americans Believe

When the average American believes stuff like this, how can you even think that your country is the best on earth.

A lot of school kids and even adults don't know where things are on a geographical scale

Young Americans Geographically Illiterate

As for being the freest country on earth, you should probably think again

This thread was posted a while ago

20 Signs America Is No Longer Free


The obesity rate is still risings in the US


So now the UK doesnt have any FAT people? From what I understand England has a massive obesity issue. Then there is that whole dental issue that we wont even get into.

No stupid people in the UK either? Wow, it sounds like a swell place. Im sure if you took the average pasty ass, beer swilling rube from the English countryside and gave him a spontaneous geography quiz, that he /she would certainly ace it in every way. It couldnt be that the people making that video in the US were purposefully trying to get the dumbest answers possible. Maybe it was edited, do ya think?

And hey, Americans have lost our freedoms, even though there are 2,000 closed cicuit cameras on the streets of the UK, following and recording your every move? You also pay half of your income in taxes and you cant own a firearm. But hey, keep telling yourself how "free" you are.


Oh hia. Let me reitarate. The only reason I am replying in this thread is because of the first few posts which said something along the lines of: America is the greatest, even if it's bad right now there's no where greater, no where else has any freedoms. Now that's pretty damn offensive don't you think?

I agree with you, in the UK and in Germany we have a lot of lardy people, lots of fatties. Who was denying that? I'm not. But it's not to the same extent as the US I believe. I went to an American school in Germany, and perhaps it's just that demographic of Americans, but the children and the wives (not the husbands in the military) were all quite large. Larger than I've generally encountered elsewhere. Now again, this may be the demographic.

Secondly the people I met had a poor understanding of geography. Now I'm absolutely NOT saying that all the Americans I met are stupid. Far from it, I met plenty of SMART americans, but geography was not their forte. Maybe this has to do with the way the news shows countries on a map, or something? But I met: Someone who thought England was a city in France, someone who thought England was a city in Angleland, someone who didn't realise they spoke English in England. To be fair, during my geography lessons at this school we didn't actually learn geography, we learnt "cultural history", which was interesting and relevant and educational in itself, but it aint geography. I've not encountered this lack of geographic knowledge in the other countries I have experience of. But perhaps we're worse at maths?

And yes dentistry sucks in the UK. We all know it does. But the one thing that doesn't matter is having straight white teeth, straight white teeth does not equal healthy teeth, it equals braces and chemicals. No cavities or absecces or receding gums equal healthy teeth. Unfortunately dentists suck at removing wisdom teeth or sorting out receding gums.
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Oh and the CCTV cameras: The majority of them are privately owned by shop keepers or home owners. People are allowed to do that right? It's their choice, their freedom.
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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Couldn't agree with you more about the age on here. I laugh at the anti US comments. As I've said in this thread already, there is plenty wrong with this country, BUT a lot more right. I don't know where the vacation days thing came up. I'm in the US and have got 20 days for years.

As for the rest of you. The UK, the countries (as small as they are) don't get along within the UK. How is the IRA treating you????

Australia. Your greatest export was a animal guy that got himself killed, I did like his show but shouldn't you be more careful with your life when you have a family to support?



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by drewwski
The most ridiculous post I have ever seen. Urging people to leave the U.S., be my guest.
I have lived in several countries in Europe for over ten years and many of these facts are misleading.

Take for example Germany, the state determines at an early age...I believe what we would equate to sixth or seventh grade what you will do in life. If your not a bright student at that age it's off to learn a trade which you will do very good at but no choice for college. The bright kids go to gymnasium and off too the university.

I'd like to see your evidence for this, as I have serious reason to believe you are talking out of your ass and moulding facts to suit your argument

Where is the King of Saudi Arabia getting his health care at right now...the U.S. speaks volumes.

Stands to reason really, whilst you fund his dictatorship where the ordinary people have no real healthcare unless they are rich, he uses an American hospital to repay the kindness. I guess those volumes you speak of are the same intellectually bankrupt books that often achieve massive success in the US?

Most countries in Europe have a lottery every year, just for the right to apply to immigrate to the U.S. it is full every year without exception, but we require Europeans to bring something to us.

Funny how I have not seen them advertised or spoken about anywhere whatsoever. And even if they did, who the hell would want to give up our national healthcare, working representation and 28+ days of paid holiday and much higher wage than the US workforce?

Private land in Europe is non-existent for the most part...yes you can own your house and small lot but try and by a 100 acres of land anywhere in Europe...not happening

know this may be difficult for you, but look up on google a map of Europe. You will see that Europe is less than half the size of the US, land is at a premium. You cannot buy something that does not exist - despite what your Federal Reserve may tell you. This would explain why London has more people living in it than many US states.

People in Europe are very meticulous to the point of anal through there socialistic training in my opinion.

There is no answer to this, simply that it is one of the most stupid and moronic thing I have ever read anyone say on this website. "Socialistic training"...words defy me.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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I've been reading some of these posts and all I can do is shake my head, this is a misleading thread. Misleading people straight into thinking their countries are so upstanding and honorable and the US is the only deceitful governmental entity on the block.The madness don't exist just in North America it's worldwide.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Ok everybody lets face it we're the root of all evil and we're all fat and stupid. We're all illiterate, uncultured and untravelled. We're weak, easily manipulated and materialistic..But our friends the Europeans are nothing like this. They never had things like the holocaust, the inquisition or the crusades. They never had dictators or warlords as leaders, there governments have never betrayed them or other people in any way shape or form. There perfect and brilliant, attractive and are in top physical form every last one of them. I also heard that Europeans dont make assumptions and generalizations based on the information they get from there media sources..only dumb Americans do that...right?
edit on 05/24/2010 by FrancoUn-American because: Forgive me I'm a dumb American had to fix an error because I'm retarded



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by SirKnightE

Originally posted by T0by
Why is America the greatest country on earth anyway?
I find it abit conceited to say that, it's like saying 'I'm the hottest guy on the planet. Everyone wants to be like me and you must love me'


Its called pride... And I AM the hottest guy on the planet, and everyone wants to be like me, and everyone loves me. Such a huge ego right?... Thats why I love me and my country


Sorry but thats not what pride is.. being proud isnt being cocky. As a Canadian.. there is plenty here thats better than in America... PLENTY.. but you dont hear me sittin here arguing which is better... because every country has its bs. To me it makes no send to say your proud to be american with whats going on.. maybe being proud of what America was SUPPOSED to be like... your founding fathers sure didnt want it to become the hole it is now. You serve for your country thats great ...even though your never told the real reason your there, serving is serving and dying for your country is dying for your country...

If you wanna be proud..be proud.. America sure as hell is not number 1...and neither is Canada... because the WHOLE WORLD IS FU******ED. nobody is number one because nobody is winning. ...80% of this site is about AMERICAN CONSPIRACIES and you think your countries the best??

Be proud of who you are...not where your from.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by monkey_descendant

Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Soldier of God
 


So you support the restriction of education from those who cannot afford it do you? Also the squashing of a persons right to a decent living free from slavery?

People like that are generally known as tyrants.


Call me what you want, I'm saying these countries are raising tuition and retirement age because they can't afford to pay for everyone to have free everything anymore...


That's not true. If you read my post I explained it to you
Of course someone has to pay for it, and if people live longer past retirement they will have to work longer. It's exactly the same policy, but slightly changed to make up for the fact that life expectancy has gone up. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford it.


That's ridiculous! Of course it has everything to do with not being able to afford it. If there wasn't a problem they wouldn't be raising the retirement age they would just leave it as is and pay everyone but the facts are they are running out of money just like we are to pay all of these pensions.
Pensions are ponzie schemes at best to start with.


It hasn't got to do with running out of money. Don't you realise that if a demographic changes you have to make accomodations for that change? If people died at 40 then people could probably retire at twenty, but then people would have to start working at 2. If people are living longer they will have to work longer. This has nothing to do with not being able to afford something. This is an adjustment to keep the books balanced BECAUSE there has been a CHANGE in the demographic. So some people don't like the idea of that. That isn't the same as not being able to afford something


Really the argument is that it is that by CHANGING the retirement age the policy is being KEPT the same by READJUSTING it to the CHANGE that is a LONGER life expectancy.
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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by ledzeppelin489
Yeah but most loyal Americans won't just abandon this country for a better wage; we're here to make things better for anyone who comes here. America is still the greatest country on Earth, and the OP is just one defector we will not miss



Amen! I wish every American shared this mindset; then we could be on our way to rebuilding the America that we all once knew and still love. It's because of mindset's like the OP's that is holding America down.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
Ok everybody lets face it we're the root of all evil and we're all fat and stupid. We're all illiterate, uncultured and untravelled. We're weak, easily manipulated and materialistic..But our friends the Europeans are nothing like this. They never had things like the holocaust, the inquisition or the crusades. They never had dictators or warlords as leaders, there governments have never betrayed them or other people in any way shape or form. There perfect and brilliant, attractive and are in top physical form every last one of them. I also heard that Europeans dont make assumptions and generalizations based on the information they get from there media sources..only dumb Americans do that...right?
edit on 05/24/2010 by FrancoUn-American because: Forgive me I'm a dumb American had to fix an error because I'm retarded


Well I certainly NEVER said this about America or Americans. All I have done is defend my little European self from the first few ARROGANT posts about America being the ultimate greatest and nowhere else matching it in terms of freedom or the quality of life.

Defending my little European self doesn't automatically mean I'm making the offensive accusations you have posted.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil013

Originally posted by SpaDe_
Just because you have vacation days, doesn't necessarily mean that you can afford to take a vacation.
I know it's nice to have time off and all, but I would like to take the time off to actually vacation and not just sit home broke with nothing to do.


I completely agree. What makes our country great in my opinion is the general willingness to work. Most people who retire, end up sitting around all of a few days before they have to DO something productive. Thats why we have something called the American Dream. This is one of the only countries in the world where hard work almost always guarantees success. Where else can a man be born poor, work his butt off and die wealthy? Not only is this possible, but its almost common place.


Are you talking about the country that as we speak is jailing and rendering homeless through foreclosure the largest percentages of it's citizens in the Western world?


I agree. We work hard so that people who come here (usually illegally) from a horrid place, can have free hospital visits, food, and education. Its a frustrating concept, but we still do it. We are a nation of people who dont mind looking out for others.


Bollocks. You don't do it willingly, you only have to look at the million threads on ATS complaining about "illegals", and the militias forming to stop the flow, as evidence of this


In my opinion, every man who is proud of his country may make the same argument about where they come from. But to answer more specifically, if this country WAS NOT as great as people claim, why do so many risk everything to come here? Other countries have immigration issues as well, but no other place has such an influx of people coming in from all over the world, in hopes of something better. This has been going on since before this country had a name.


You have a huge influx of Mexicans and a comparatively normal flow of people from other countries. If you were a Mexican would you stay in your country with the daily fear of having your head blown off and body mutilated or would you flee to the nearest country you thought was safe?

Here in Australia we have a huge influx of people escaping places like Somalia and other countries and arriving here on boat after sailing the oceans with little food, water and shelter - generally crammed in so tight that they can barely breathe - all for the promise of a better life in Australia. You most certainly don't hear Aussies claiming ours is the greatest country on Earth because they all want to come here!! No, we recognize it's because we are one of the closest safer nations, not because we think we are bloody fantastic.


As I mentioned above, no where else in the world is it more apparent that social class, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation are nothing more but road blocks to success. No where else in the world are you guaranteed success through hard work. If you truly work hard your whole life, you will not fail. Whether its studying, flipping burgers, playing sports.....

There are so many people in this country who were born with literally nothing, and now are some of the most successful people in the world regardless of whether they are black or white, gay or straight, male of female.


Just don't ever get sick or injured or lose your job through no fault of your own. If you do you they will foreclose your home and put you on the streets - after gambling your mortgage away in the derivatives market.


The American Dream is still alive, despite these hard times. Just like the original colonists who risked everything to start this country, nothing is achieved without risk, hard work, courage, and the will to succeed. If anyone ever tried to invade us, they would find groups of people normally at odds with each other feeling the patriotism that only an American knows, banding together and fighting alongside each other. Anyone who has served in the armed forces will attest to the fact that an Alabama farmer and a New York prep will put their differences aside and fight side by side, risking their lives for each other.


I think you will find that most countries people would do the same given a threat to their country or freedom. We Aussies are generally thought of as easy-going fun people - just don't invade us or god help you is all I can say.


This country is also home to many beautiful natural wonders, terrains, animals. Even just a drive up the coast of California will leave you breathless as you witness beautiful beaches, snowy mountains, lush forests, and a melting pot of different cultures.


Nobody is denying the natural beauty of the American continent. Every country on Earth has it's own natural beauty.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by peck420
Lmao.

Yes, the rest of the western world has no freedoms.

What a crock.

List these freedoms that I in Canada lack.


Great point, the limitations we have today in personal freedom in the rest of the west are directly caused by the US foreign policy before and since 9/11.

A scream for Revenge! rather than understanding have caused the situation we have today, the old reichstags burning trick.

(Before these examples there are a long tradition for false flag ops going back to all the great empires (Old Egypt, Roman Empire, Mongolians and so on) interestingly enough.

In 1933: Burn the Reichstag, blame the Jews. Revenge! (WWII)

In 1939: Produce evidence Poland attacked germany to sway the German public to go to war+operation Himmler. Revenge! (WWII)

In 1953: Operation Ajax (joint British and US operation) to topple the DEMOCRATICALLY elected Iranian government, sending Iran into a 25 year long dictatorship. (If you wonder why some Iranians have a bit of a grudge against the US you may start looking here) Ok, this is not Revenge!, but simple Greed!

In 1954: During Operation Suzannah the Israeli government minus the primeminister, who did not know anything launched a series of bombings against targets in Cairo which had British and American financial interests, in the hopes of alienating the U.S. and Britain from Egypt. Hoping Egypt wants Revenge!

In 1962: The never realised Operation Northwoods to facilitate an attack against Cuba.The plan was Revenge! against Cuba.

In 1999: The Russian GRU/FSB most likely (IMO) blew up two apartment buildings to get the public to agree with the Second Chechen War. Revenge!

In 2001: The US government or some elements within it most likely (IMO) allowed muslim extremists or themselves directly destroyed the Twin Towers, blaming the Muslims facillitating the "War Against Terrorism".
It's spelled R-E-V-E-N-G-E.


And you know the list goes onandonandon, and untill we stop hating and letting our governments get away with controling us into hating we will be in this situation.
I mean, just look at this thread for the love of FSM.



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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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I'd say, some one depends on propaganda a little too much! That statement would be like me saying if some one is from England they must have bad teeth and oral hygene, or saying some one is stupid because they are from Poland. It's wrong no matter who does it. I am smart enough to know that stereotypical people will see what ever piece of the big picture, about a different country's population, they want to see. Possibly one that is meant to make the person trash talking another feel a little better about things that make one miserable in one's own world.



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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Oh no I'm not saying you , But that is apparently the general views people have of my country men. When it comes to defending my government I'll be by your side hurling rocks but my people are another matter. I dont know where people get off saying this is the best country in the world because its not there is no one "best country". Every place on this earth has is pro's and it's cons. I am in no way against Europeans just the arrogant few(as you would have anywhere) who seemingly have no better thing to do then rail against good people day in and day out. To be honest some of the best people in my life are from across the pond including the girl I am engaged to.



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Obinhi
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SWAT just incase we dont know is Special Weapons And Tatics.

This basicly means that they are cops who have special building breaching and clearing training and are armed with non police standard weapons. They are also conditioned to kill better then your standard cop. BUT at the end of the day thay are still civilian peace keepers. If you want to worry about something comming into your house and ending you and your loved ones, its the military. We have bombs that we can put in your kitchen and time them to go off when you come home, we have guns that have a classified range that is measured in miles, we have all kinds of mean stuff. Oh and we are very, very good are breaking down doors if we absolutley need to keep the building intact. As for the freedoms of the citizen, most peoples rights were totally uneffected by the patriot act. Don't misunderstand me, that act is an abomination unto the united states, but until someone can deal with it w/o being called a terrizer then we have to live with it.

And it is my understanding that the other countries are directly funded in part by the government. I know first hand about the UK's TV tax, seening as I lived there for 3 years and married a brit. That said the lack of adverts was nice.


I know I should have said, "or something like that" after that sentence.....


OK, I change my SWAT to top of the line US Marine Hoorah, Semper Fi wielding bada**es with all the tech and weapons you propably know alot more than me about.

But then again, that was hardly my point...... But what the heck, if it makes you happy, marines it is.

I was wrong, talked completely over my head, and I am now completely humbled.....



posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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Australia. Your greatest export was a animal guy that got himself killed, I did like his show but shouldn't you be more careful with your life when you have a family to support?


So I guess you have never heard of Russell Crowe or Nicole Kidman?

How about Rupert Murdoch?

Here's a good one: ever heard of the refrigerator? Yep, you guessed it - invented in Australia.

Wireless technology? Aussie.......

Want me to continue? I could fill an entire book with examples but I think you get the point.



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