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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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posted on May, 16 2005 @ 04:03 AM
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how much troops could Okinawa handle??? 50,000. do you know how big it is ?? not very big to handle a china-invasion force.

We want terrioty back that has always been chinese.. Since the opium wars till 1949 china has been at the reciving end of the beating stick.. We want the terrioty that was stolen from china during this time..

As your notion of taiwanese getting more un-chinese is ridiculous


when chinese and chinese have children dont they stay chinese..Agreed?


Your so lost




posted on May, 16 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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Taiwan doesn't belong to China. It is a separate country now, that formulated when the Communists took over mainland China.

If the South had broken off from the Northern U.S. in Civil War and become its own country, on paper, as far as the North is/was concerned, the South might still be part of the United States. But if the North couldn't and didn't do anything to prevent this for all the time up to the present, then even if the Northern U.S. still was claiming that the South was really a part of the U.S., it would be pretty much acknowledged that the South is a separate country that separated long ago.

The same goes for Taiwan. It has a separate government, separate economy, separate ideology, separate military.

It formed itself into its own country long ago; on paper, as far as China is concerned, it may still be part of China. But the fact is that it succeeded in separating from China everything short of officially declaring independence, which is silly, because it is independent of China. Just on paper, it hasn't declared independence yet.

Taiwan is a free people who have done well for themselves. They should not be forced to reunite with China under any means, unless they themselves willingly want a re-unification.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 05:48 AM
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FOrced???

roughly 50% want to go back with china.. read some taiwanese newspapers..


separate economy, separate ideology????

the economies are very closly related..do you know how much taiwanese investment in china???

Own country.. Only since the 1990's that taiwan finally accepted the fact that they weren't the other china/relenqish there claim on the mainland... Do some research on the topic first before you come out with a statement like the



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 05:52 AM
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I do not know how to read Chinese, so I can't read Taiwanese newspapers, but when China made the anti-secession law not too long ago, many Taiwanese protested against it, so obviously not all of them are for it.

As for newspapers, I'd assume they are going by polls, and polls can be very very inaccurate. It depends.

By separate economy and separate ideology, I mean, regardless of who is invested in who, the two economies are still different. The U.S. and China invest much in each other too, but the U.S. economy is still far stronger right now. By separate ideology, I mean that the Taiwanese, or a good portion fo them still, are very devoted towards freedom and democracy, not an authoritative government.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 06:42 AM
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good we cleared things up



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite


FOrced???

roughly 50% want to go back with china.. read some taiwanese newspapers..



Then whats the big deal with taiwan..
China's got almost 50% of the sway of ppl....

and the taiwanese newspapers malign china rather than print otherwise..
Kanwa for example i think



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 08:10 AM
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Taiwan is very split down the middle.

For example, the business community that has invested 100 billion in China is strictly KMT and absolutely detest the independencers (the business community consists of mainly the 49'ner Taiwanese).

As for media.

Papers like the Taipei Times, Liberty Times, Formosa TV are strictly anti-China and anti-PRC while the China Times, China Post, United Daily News are pro-China.

So in reality, hard to see Taiwan changing any time soon, the business community will never leave China simply because most if not all of them are the 49ner or KMT.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by rapier28]



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by rapier28
Taiwan is very split down the middle.

For example, the business community that has invested 100 billion in China is strictly KMT and absolutely detest the independencers (the business community consists of mainly the 49'ner Taiwanese).

As for media.

Papers like the Taipei Times, Liberty Times, Formosa TV are strictly anti-China and anti-PRC while the China Times, China Post, United Daily News are pro-China.

So in reality, hard to see Taiwan changing any time soon, the business community will never leave China simply because most if not all of them are the 49ner or KMT.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by rapier28]


buta what the status quo as of now??
Taiwan participates in the olympics as an indepedant body (chinese taipei)..
same with football....whta the big idea??!!



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3

Originally posted by rapier28
Taiwan is very split down the middle.

For example, the business community that has invested 100 billion in China is strictly KMT and absolutely detest the independencers (the business community consists of mainly the 49'ner Taiwanese).

As for media.

Papers like the Taipei Times, Liberty Times, Formosa TV are strictly anti-China and anti-PRC while the China Times, China Post, United Daily News are pro-China.

So in reality, hard to see Taiwan changing any time soon, the business community will never leave China simply because most if not all of them are the 49ner or KMT.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by rapier28]


buta what the status quo as of now??
Taiwan participates in the olympics as an indepedant body (chinese taipei)..
same with football....whta the big idea??!!



Same as HongKong participates some world games as independent body, but it's Still a part of China. Plus as you notice, ''Chinese Taipei'', Taipei is the name of one taiwan city, not country.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Broadsword20068
I do not know how to read Chinese, so I can't read Taiwanese newspapers, but when China made the anti-secession law not too long ago, many Taiwanese protested against it, so obviously not all of them are for it.


That protest? Lol, they expected 1.5 million to turn up, must have been saddening for Chen when only 300,000 turned up. That shows that not many people want independence, but I think, more like they didn't give a hoot about it. If the people really cared, they would probably have gone to the rally. This just shows that most people still prefer not being independent to going to war.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by wfliu


Same as HongKong participates some world games as independent body, but it's Still a part of China. Plus as you notice, ''Chinese Taipei'', Taipei is the name of one taiwan city, not country.
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And whihc world games may those be??..The ones in which hongkong participates indepedantly??

And why participate independantly?
Also if China has no probs with such independant participation then why did they put pressure on the Miss World/Universe (not sure which one) organizing committee to ban the latest (and first) Miss Tibet from participating??Cute one she was


Similarly there was a inaugral cricket match between India and Pakistan in Dharamsala(abode of the dalai Lama) which was to be felicitated by the Lama..
However the pakis initially agreeing, then later refused to play if the lama was present.. Again due to chinese pressure



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 10:25 PM
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Hong Kong S.A.R and Macao S.A.R participates in the Olympics and all world championships.

This is not unique.

For example, we have the British lions, then England, Wales and Scotland in World Rugby tournaments.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 11:14 PM
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If China invade taiwan,I think the situation just like the civil war in 1861.
In 1861,the U .K was the strongest nation of the world ,like today's U.S,why the U.K didn't intervene?



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by jhxf
If China invade taiwan,I think the situation just like the civil war in 1861.
In 1861,the U .K was the strongest nation of the world ,like today's U.S,why the U.K didn't intervene?


The situation would be very different. The size, geographical terrain, weather, time, weapons, global political situation are all different. Plus Taiwan is independent right now, and was independent for more than 60 years.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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Wrong, Taiwan was never independant, infact it still claims all of China plus Mongolia (Mongolia gained its independance from China in 1950 from Soviet pressure) plus Diaoyutai under its territory. KMT (the nationalists who fled to Taiwan) never declared independance and neither did the parties who were in power after KMT. Very few countries in the world recognize the independance of Taiwan, infact, Taiwan's biggest ally, the great US of A, doesn't even recognize Taiwan as an independant country. Many out of the few countries who used to recognize Taiwan have now dumped them for China. The rate is like 95% against 5%.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by COWlan]



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by COWlan
infact it still claims all of China plus Mongolia (Mongolia gained its independance from China in 1950 from Soviet pressure) plus Diaoyutai under its territory.
[edit on 17-5-2005 by COWlan]


That is why a lot of people think that there are a lot of morons in KMT.

And the government of Taiwan today don't want to and never claim those territories. Only idiots would say the claim is valid anyway. The territory claim is only in the more than 60 years old extremely out of date constitution law, which the government attempts to modify now. But the great PRC don't want president Chen to change the territory claim in the stupid law because they think it is part of a step to declare formal indepedence.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 08:10 AM
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Heh, Mongolia.

Just a complete distraction from the topic.

Does anyone know that Mongolia is on the International Whaling Commission????!!!

There is seriousely something wrong with the way the people on those commissions are chosen.



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Reading through this thread I've noticed a misconception about Taiwan. It is true that 50% of Taiwanese are pro-China (KMT, Guomin Dang) and the other 50% are pro-Taiwan (DPP, Minjin Dang). However the 50% who are pro-China (KMT) are for the most part not pro-communist. They wish to develop further relations with the main land, but do not wish to be part of the communist government.

Another point (and this is just what I heard from Chinese businessmen) China has no intention on attacking Taiwan, both sides might use this excuse for their weapon built-up, but Chinese policy makers are far from being idiot. They are a very patient people.

China will eventually take over Taiwan (or Taiwan will come crawling back) NOT through military conquest but by economic conquest. Just like North America has NAFTA and Europe as the EC, the Asian countries will also form an economic block. Then China will block Taiwan's acceptance in this new block. Japan and the other countries that need access to China's market and cheap labor will offer little or no objection. Thus, Taiwanese economy will be in ruins. (And my NTs will be worthless) This is already seen today by China blocking Taiwan's membership in the WHO.

Taiwanese businessmen know this and are increasingly investing on the Main Land. (Well, isn’t everyone?)




posted on May, 20 2005 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Reading through this thread I've noticed a misconception about Taiwan. It is true that 50% of Taiwanese are pro-China (KMT, Guomin Dang) and the other 50% are pro-Taiwan (DPP, Minjin Dang). However the 50% who are pro-China (KMT) are for the most part not pro-communist. They wish to develop further relations with the main land, but do not wish to be part of the communist government.


Pro-China and pro-Taiwan eh...shouldn't they both be pro-Taiwan since they are both in Taiwan? Or maybe KMT are traitors? Perhaps it should be pro-X and pro-Y where X and Y are not China or Taiwan?

And China is not really communism anymore, although still an authoritarian government, so the "pro-China" KMT can move to China if they want...


Taiwanese businessmen know this and are increasingly investing on the Main Land. (Well, isn’t everyone?)


You mean by doing so Taiwan can sort of getting some control over China in the future situation...that is kind of a double edge sword because by doing so China is also getting some control over Taiwan. Why don't they invest elsewhere as well, spread the risk, so they won't get threaten by China in the future scenario?

[edit on 20-5-2005 by twchang]

[edit on 20-5-2005 by twchang]



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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Exactly whats happening and as time rolls by in the next few decades, not even a bullet will be shot and Taiwan would be absorbed. The smaller do not absorb the greater (smaller and greater as Taiwan investment and futile effort to gain more control of China as somesay but they're just trying to make a few bucks).

China's not communist anymore anyways (at least not like USSR), we say we are communist but we prefer to be socialist and capitalist. KMT and their allies are Pro-China, meaning they agree with the 92 mutual agreement where stating both sides are to stay under unspoken rule where there would only be one China, the rest of the matter are to be worked out in the future. You don't have to be pro-communist, you just have to be pro-one China. Hu Jintao already stated as long as Taiwan agrees to the basis of One-China policy, anything can be negotiated, anything.



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