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Originally posted by FredT
Originally posted by Nox
Actually, I disagree.
Communism can work in very small, sheltered societies.
Shocking that you disagree
So your saying that communicm has failed or is failing in China? Not exactly a small sheltered society. Is there instances where it has worked beyond that? Greater good will not overcome basic human drive unless brainwashing and large amounts of drugs it seems are involved. Even the "model" communes that are based loosly on communism fail eventually.
PS. Don't drink the Kool Aid
The trade surplus is substantial, and foreign reserves are the world's third largest. Agriculture contributes 2% to GDP, down from 32% in 1952. While Taiwan is a major investor throughout Southeast Asia, China has become the largest destination for investment and has overtaken the US to become Taiwan's largest export market. Because of its conservative financial approach and its entrepreneurial strengths, Taiwan suffered little compared with many of its neighbors from the Asian financial crisis in 1998.
Originally posted by JoeDoaks
Wow, what a thread. Fred caused all this because he used the 'p' word in his first post!
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Actually from the time I've spent on this forum I've realised that everybody's a bit hazy on th exact government structure of china..Everybody has his/her own interpretation..but IMHO so far none of them seem to match!!Actually even the chinese on this forum are in the woods w.r.t. this!!
Originally posted by FredT
Originally posted by CoMrAdE_IvAn
Chinese of course would bomb the nation to bits then send troops I think the Geneva convention will not worry them too much.
I think you guys are missing the point Taiwans only value to them is an economic one. The sput off about reuniting with thier countrymen, but the bottom line is if Taiwan was a third world country with no economy, they could care less. They have no interest in destroying Taiwan. If they did they could have done it at anytime. They want the money that having Taiwan under thier umbrella could bring in.
Originally posted by bodebliss
I wouldn't quite call Taiwan a dictatorship , as they just had there 5th fully democratic election.
Originally posted by bodebliss
The Amish don't appear to be communistic to me. They have a belief which states that modern tech is bad and they should not partake of it. So they cut-off tech at 1900. They work for money and allot of their goods are high quality hand made goods which adds to the worth of the items they sell.
The Amnish
In 1968, Wisconsin decided to force Amish residents to formally educate their children through 12th grade (many of the Amish cease classroom instruction at 8th grade). Kansas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania already had successfully defeated the Amish on this front, but some Amish in Wisconsin decided to fight, taking the case to the United States Supreme Court by 1972. This was risky: Before, the Amish would simply move to another state when life became intolerable (something our founders had in mind, actually). Setting the wrong precedent in the Supreme Court would consolidate power against the Amish in all 50 states, meaning they would lose their communal sovereignty; some would feel compelled to leave the country.
The Supreme Court ruled in their favor, and the Amish retained their freedom. Further, the Amish have some exemptions from social security, Medicare, and Medicaid taxes. They have argued successfully that care of the elderly is a family and community responsibility, and that government medical insurance suggests a reliance on someone or thing other than God and hard work. They�ll have no part of any government insurance. One might assume the Amish don�t use hospitals and doctors anyway, but this is a myth. They just pay as they go. If the patient can�t afford the bill, members of the community with more resources will help. Note that in this "communist" system, they don�t lose 65% of the money to bureaucratic overhead � 100% goes to the beneficiary, and is given voluntarily.
(The Amish isolate themselves, such as by forgoing the ownership of automobiles and electricity. This is not from a fear of technology, but from a thoughtful estimation of what such technology would do to their communities. Cars would spread them out and make it too easy to sink into the popular culture. Electricity would bring the popular culture into their homes. Thus, when we see them hiring a taxicab to get to the modern hospital, they are not being hypocritical.)
Originally posted by FredT
I think you guys are missing the point Taiwans only value to them is an economic one. The sput off about reuniting with thier countrymen, but the bottom line is if Taiwan was a third world country with no economy, they could care less. They have no interest in destroying Taiwan. If they did they could have done it at anytime. They want the money that having Taiwan under thier umbrella could bring in.
Originally posted by bodebliss
I wouldn't quite call Taiwan a dictatorship , as they just had there 5th fully democratic election.
Originally posted by proteinx
the more you talk, the more you make peple know how funny you are. I am sorry for Nox too, wasting too much time with bodebliss
Originally posted by bodebliss
Nox,
There is no doubt that communism has taken place in small communities for short periods of time , but there has never been a successful scaling up of the concept as layers of bureaucracy makes such attempts untenable as history has shown.
Can communism work, yes.
How would it work? Well in the future if they use nano-biology to alter the human spirit till everyone has no tendency outside communist ideology, well , it could work , but would the workers be human any longer?
Bode Bliss