Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
In Lhassa, you drained the sacred lake paved it in concrete and used it as a military parade ground.

Can you provide more information on this accusation?

I have been there personally and seen it. Lets face it Tibet was invaded and then you imported so many people that the Tibetans are now a minority in their own country.

Originally posted by mad scientist
I have been there personally and seen it. Lets face it Tibet was invaded and then you imported so many people that the Tibetans are now a minority in their own country.

You think Tibet is a country, tell me where was the native Indian countries in North America, where are those native indians?

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
I have been there personally and seen it. Lets face it Tibet was invaded and then you imported so many people that the Tibetans are now a minority in their own country.

You think Tibet is a country, tell me where was the native Indian countries in North America, where are those native indians?

Well obviously you think what happened to the indians was wrong, how is China any different ?

Originally posted by mad scientist
Well obviously you think what happened to the indians was wrong, how is China any different ?

You obviously think what happened to the indians was right, and what happened in Tibet was wrong. Are indians just animals for you?

No, I was just pointing out you're double standard. Speaking of native peoples, what about Chinese supression of the Uighur's ?

Originally posted by mad scientist
No, I was just pointing out you're double standard. Speaking of native peoples, what about Chinese supression of the Uighur's ?

I am just pointing out your hypocrisy.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
No, I was just pointing out you're double standard. Speaking of native peoples, what about Chinese supression of the Uighur's ?

I am just pointing out your hypocrisy.

My hypocracy ?? What happened to the Indians was wrong I don't deny that. You however deny what the chinese have done to the Tibetans and other ethnic minorities; and what's worse is you're still doing it. Now that is EVIL.

The Chinese communists have been supressing the people for so long that they are used to it, what's more the younger generation think it's ok to do this to sovereign peoples.

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Originally posted by mad scientist
My hypocracy ?? What happened to the Indians was wrong I don't deny that. You however deny what the chinese have done to the Tibetans and other ethnic minorities; and what's worse is you're still doing it. Now that is EVIL.

What do you want China do to make it right?

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
My hypocracy ?? What happened to the Indians was wrong I don't deny that. You however deny what the chinese have done to the Tibetans and other ethnic minorities; and what's worse is you're still doing it. Now that is EVIL.

What do you want China do to make it right?

• Overthrow the communist government
  
• Leave Tibet and pay repartions to the people
  
• Relinquish all claims to sovereign territory
  

Originally posted by zcheng
What do you want China do to make it right?

Free Tibet. Period. Stop your sabre rattling over Taiwan and allow them to be independent as is thier right. You might learn something...

Originally posted by mad scientist

• Overthrow the communist government
  
• Leave Tibet and pay repartions to the people
  
• Relinquish all claims to sovereign territory
  

Will US do the same to return the land of native Indian?

• Overthrow the federal government
  
• Leave North America and pay repartions to the native Indian people
  
• Relinquish all claims to sovereign territory
  

[edit on 27-8-2004 by zcheng]

Hey zccheng the Indians have been given the right to run casino's, plenty of money.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Hey zccheng the Indians have been given the right to run casino's, plenty of money.

That is the reason why I call you a hypocrite!!

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
Hey zccheng the Indians have been given the right to run casino's, plenty of money.

That is the reason why I call you a hypocrite!!

please, I was being sarcastic.

Listen, we are talking about today with modern world values. What happened in the past was unjust but the world has moved on. China on te other had still practices policies which the civilised world can't condone.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Listen, we are talking about today with modern world values. What happened in the past was unjust but the world has moved on. China on te other had still practices policies which the civilised world can't condone.

This really is the crux of the argument. Zcheng and his ChiCom buddies have three basic retorts to Taiwanese / Tibet etc Independance

1) THe American Civil War
2) What if XXXXXXX state wanted to leave (They always seem to pick Alaska)
3) Give the land back to the Indians. If that were the case, then the Mongols should be given back China. Abuses of the past do not condone abuses in the present

Originally posted by mad scientist
Listen, we are talking about today with modern world values. What happened in the past was unjust but the world has moved on. China on te other had still practices policies which the civilised world can't condone.

If so, why do you not move on on Tibet? You think no indian live today, and they have nothing to complain? No one is criticizing or demanding US, because US is so powerful.

When you stating on what China should do, you are in earnest, not sarcastic. I have exposed your hypocrisy.

Tibet and Chinese Dyansties has a long history. PLA abolished the slavery in Tibet, thus offended those originally in power and control. You have read more history to discuss the issue. By the way, Tibet population doubled since 1950. I do not know how many native Indian are still live in North America.

By the way, could you give more information on your accusation, like the name of lake, etc. Otherwise, I can also say that you are attempting to kill anyone like Busssh.

Originally posted by zcheng
Tibet and Chinese Dyansties has a long history. PLA abolished the slavery in Tibet, thus offended those originally in power and control. You have read more history to discuss the issue. By the way, Tibet population doubled since 1950. I do not know how many native Indian are still live in North America.

Hmmmmmm, are you saying that the PLA liberated Tibet? Eliminated slavery? and did what export to slave labor factories in Shanghi?

Originally posted by zcheng

Tibet and Chinese Dyansties has a long history. PLA abolished the slavery in Tibet, thus offended those originally in power and control. You have read more history to discuss the issue. By the way, Tibet population doubled since 1950. I do not know how many native Indian are still live in North America.

Tibetan population has doubled not because of the Tibetan birthrate, but because if the so called chinese 'settlers'. Like I said before the Tibetans are a minority in their own country. You can't BS you're way out of that one.

Originally posted by mad scientist
Tibetan population has doubled not because of the Tibetan birthrate, but because if the so called chinese 'settlers'. Like I said before the Tibetans are a minority in their own country. You can't BS you're way out of that one.

Don't forget all of the rape ahem I mean breeding that the PLA has done as well. The number or nuns raped would alone spike the population by 10%

Originally posted by mad scientist
Tibetan population has doubled not because of the Tibetan birthrate, but because if the so called chinese 'settlers'. Like I said before the Tibetans are a minority in their own country. You can't BS you're way out of that one.

I am specifically refering to Tibetan nationality (Zhang Zhu).