posted on Nov, 10 2005 @ 02:54 PM
... that article still doesn't change that fact that China is having the world's highest rate of economic growth and will reach super power status
within 20-50 years. Still doesn't change the fact that China is the worlds greatest place to invest and still doesn't change the fact and I mean
fact that we are becoming on of the worlds richest nations.
Yes, I believe that to be quite true, so I ask once again, take up the position I challanged you to earlier ... you seem confident in this projection
so it seems logical that you embrace reason ... as opposed to the illusion of reason with the implied threat of force.
... or do you yourself have some doubt?
.... and still doesn't change the fact that every single other western nation in history has never allowed a secession if it could help it.
And finally, you can't use a man raping a women arguement, Taiwan is quite capable of giving us a bloody nose if we tried ....
Yes ..... and because all the other children did it you felt oblidged to throws stones at the villiage idiot? Do you not have the capacity to make up
your own mind? ...or are you still clinging to the Nuremburg Principle?
... but I suppose that is beside the point ... I am not trying to use this example to justify our civil war ... I already gave you the reasons along
with links to substantiate the underlying motivations of our civil war.
but for the sake of argument I will recap... in point of fact, yes, we Americans did not allow such a succession, yet I point out once again, that
circumstances of fundemental freedoms were at stake ... so yes, in order to uphold this universal right ... this inalianable right ... we americans
HAD A DUTY to confront a darkness within ourselves ... yes, we are not perfect, do not profess perfection, but at least we had the integrity to
address the issue in order to right a fundemental wrong.
... once again, your reasons for wanting Taiwan back ... do I have to relist those too?
So as with everything else, context and circumstance play critical roles in how one addresses reality. Absolute states as in black and white are
reserved for children within the context of their chronologically progressive developmental world view gestalt. In short, much of what we do as
adults require the context of a situation in regards to mitigating circumstance ... that IS part of what separates the adult from the child.
As for the "bloody nose" yes, in the AVERAGE scenario ... barring Xena Warrior Princess ... a woman can inflict A DEGREE of damage and will do
WHATEVER she can to avoid death, rape and or torture ... this has commonly included punching, scratching, biting, screaming, reasoning, kicking,
running etc. ... but ultimately, in more cases than not, eventually succumbing to the use of superior force when cornered ...
... after all, age for age, a woman has less mass and a higher percentage of body fat to muscle ratio ... along with a lower percentage of "fast
twitch" muscle fibers ... wider pelvic geometry ...hormonal chemistry biased to estrogen ... but for all of these percieved disadvantages ... there
are numberous advantages ... longer lifespan, greater appreciation for truth, beauty and justice, a bias for cooperative ventures, faster social
maturation, gentler, more civilized, greater dispostion to use intellect over brute force solutions ...
hmmmmmm .... sounds rather like a good comparison for TAIWAN
Now lets look at its counterpart ...
... after all, age for age, a man has MORE mass and a higher percentage of body MUSCLE to FAT ratio ... along with a HIGHER percentage of "fast
twitch" muscle fibers ... NARROWER pelvic geometry ... hormonal chemistry biased to TESTOSTERONE ... but for all of these percieved advantages ...
there are numerous DISADVANTAGES... SHORTER LIFESPAN, LESS APPRECIATION FOR TRUTH BEAUTY AND JUSTICE, A BIAS FOR CENTRALIZED HIERARCHIAL AUTHORITY,
SLOWER SOCIAL MATURATION, MORE AGGRESSIVE, LESS CIVILIZED, MORE DISPOSED TO USE BRUTE FORCE SOLUTIONS OVER INTELLECT ...
.... sounds rather like a good comparison for MAINLAND CHINA'S GOVERNMENT.
So now we have resistant "petite female" .... ardent "big male" ... polite refusal ... followed by insistant overtures ... polite refusal ...
insistant overtures with implied threat ... polite refusal with hand reaching into bag for anything sharp .... while pressing "911 send" on
Hmmmm, I don't know how you define rape, but this scenario ... sounds like a very effective metaphor for potential rape to me ...
.... and still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Taiwan's citizens are ok with the status quo and will consider unification with an
Yes, quite so ... glad to hear you confirm it ... so why "gun to the head" ... you see, your glaring flaw here is the constant presense of implied
threat ... you baldly claim with no reservation the nature of the threat and the concrete implications of such use of force ... in such terms that
CANNOT be misunderstood or twisted to more POLITICALLY CORRECT EUPHEMISMS ... its all there in black and white for all to read.
... Your continued stance with gun in one hand, flowers in the other ....
So, as you say, the Taiwanese are "okay" with Status Quo .... as in the way things are now, yes? ... as in we are Taiwanese ON TAIWAN and you are
Chinese ON THE CHINESE MAINLAND ... hi there, come and visit (with cameras not guns ... and buy some souvenirs for the family) ... bye bye now ...
come again sometime.
As you say ... the Taiwanese may very well consider unification .... but ONLY when your situation is significantly improved enough to MERIT it.
Talk is cheap ... and as we Americans say, build a better mousetrap FIRST ... then people will beat a path to your door to obtain it.
Pointing a gun to someones head and telling them they have 30 minutes to "decide" to buy an undesirable mousetrap is simple extortion nothing more
.... actions attributable to a common thug or crimminal, not a government ... well not a good one anyway.
[edit on 10-11-2005 by LCKob]