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Originally posted by Seekerof
More importantly though is: Does Taiwan support a One-China Policy?
All that support can be simple doublespeak.
The fact does remain though that even though the US and some others support such a policy
, if China seeks to literally militarily force Taiwan back into the China-fold, that support will change, mainly from a US and Japan perspective.
Early last month, a legislator asked a group of Taiwanese-American professors how best to address a question posed by some US Congressional aides: Why won't the Taiwanese, who have a shared culture and ethnic origin with the Chinese, simply accept Beijing's claim that Taiwan is part of China?
It is most unfortunate that even Congressional aides have been misinformed and, worse yet, manipulated by China's propaganda machine. Before addressing the question, it is essential that we understand how the argument of "shared culture and shared ethnic origin" has been exploited for political purposes and that we explain that the Chinese and the Taiwanese really share few cultural and ethnic origins.
First of all, not all people who have a shared culture and shared ethnic origin must belong to one nation-state. For example, the British and their descendants over the centuries have founded several colonies that subsequently became independent countries, including the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Likewise, the German-speaking people have established two German-speaking nation-states: Germany and Austria. Arabs most certainly have more than a dozen Arab-speaking countries.
Second, using the pretext of "tung-wen tung-chung," or "same script, same race," the Chinese have repeatedly demanded that the Taiwanese accept China's annexation of Taiwan. Of course, the use of the idea "same script, same race" or any of its equivalents is neither unique nor unusual in modern world history.
In 1910, employing the "same script, same race" argument, Imperial Japan manipulated Korea into accepting the Annexation Treaty and subsequently made it a Japanese colony. Using more or less similar arguments, such as the idea of "Asia for Asians," Japan in 1940 set up its "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" to create a bloc of Asian nations, including occupied China, Manchuria and the Russian Maritime Province, under the leadership of Japan to supposedly free Asia from Western colonial rule, as well as to expand Japanese power. Japan was not alone in exploiting the pretext of shared culture and ethnic origin.
Nazi Germany employed the same excuse to forcibly annex Austria in 1938. Fortunately, in all such cases annexation or occupation did not last. In 1945, having defeated Germany and Japan, the Allied forces liberated Korea, China, Austria and others.
Now, let's examine the Chinese use of the term and concept "same script, same race." The Chinese have been indoctrinated to believe in the origin of a single Han Chinese race in the area of the Yellow River. They will thus say that all Han Chinese have descended from the Yellow Emperor of the ancient times. In addition, they also believe that the Han Chinese culture was so splendid that non-Chinese came to China to learn and even stay to be assimilated and absorbed into the Han Chinese Empire.
In The New Chinese Empire published in 2003, Ross Terrill refers to this phenomenon as imperial China's "one China myth." The effect of the Chinese efforts to sustain the myth is such that, "The idea and ideal of one China are deeply embedded in the Chinese mind," as Singapore's Foreign Minister George Yeo said.
In reality, archeological findings and population geneticists' studies have established that the Han Chinese race is a diverse collection of peoples with a variety of origins, traditions and spoken languages. Today, within the Han Chinese population there are at least eight distinct languages spoken. It is evident that it is the Chinese political and cultural tradition, and practice, to compel all peoples within the empire to accept the Han Chinese identity.
www.taipeitimes.com...
In 1910, employing the "same script, same race" argument, Imperial Japan manipulated Korea into accepting the Annexation Treaty and subsequently made it a Japanese colony.
Originally posted by chinawhite
that treaty acknowledges that the ROC is the sole owner of taiwan. they didn't give it to the ROC because we were already in possession of it.
Originally posted by chinawhite
[do you even read what i write?
Japan at the SFPT didn't give up any land.....................................they were not in posession of taiwan so they couldn't give it away. they gave up their right to claim taiwan.
In the peace treaty with the ROC japan reconized its sovereignty of the people of taiwan and taiwan.
they didn't assign anything in those treatys. they had no bargining power to assign these terriotys
we are talking about the ROC rights to the island.
the PRC sign the Joint Communique of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China.
In it stated that japan did not reconized that the government in taipei as the government of china and that the PRC was.
it also says that Taiwan was quote "an inalienable part of the territory of the People's Republic of China."
in exchange for this the PRC waived its right to sue japan for war reparations
The ROC was technically occpuying Taiwan on behalf of the allies. Sovereignty over Taiwan had not been transferred to the ROC but rather the technical status was belligerant occupation until such time as a peace treaty would settle the matter.
ROC troops accepted the Japanese surrender in northern Viet Nam. Did Viet Nam become part of China? The Soviets accepted the Japanese surrender in Manchuria. Did Manchuria become part of the Soviet Union?
The fact is that under international law, ONLY A TREATY can cause the transfer of territory from one state to another, just as the Treaty of Shimonoseki was the means by which sovereignty over Taiwan was transferred from the Manchus to Imperial Japan.
Your understand of international law is at fault. The KMT were holding Taiwan in belligerant occupation on BEHALF OF THE ALLIES pending the signing of a peace treaty. This also occurred following World War I. France was occupying Alsace and Lorraine, BUT Germany still had to sign it away in a peace treaty for technical sovereignty to be transferred from Germany to France.
They Japanese had no power to assign sovereignty over Taiwan because it had already given it up in the SFPT.
The fact is that it was NOT given to China. The technical status was that of terra nullius. There was NO TRANSFER to sovereignty to China (ROC or PRC). Japan had already given it up to the 22 allied signatories of the SFPT.
Besides, the PRC government doesn't even recognize the validity of the ROC-Japan treaty, so a ChiCom can't really argue based on that point.
Of which it has none. Taiwan belong's to Taiwan's PEOPLE, not to a fictitious ROC.
DOesn't matter. Japan has no authority to determine the technical sovereign status of Taiwan. It lost that right when it signed and ratified the SFPT in 1951/52.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Do you guys know anything about the one china policy?
It states that their is only one china and that both taiwan and the mainland are both the same countries.
Nearly all the countries in the world believe in this(except a few small pacific island countries).
Originally posted by chinawhite
47 years of hate towards the PRC through KMT textbooks and education didn't help
The vast marjority supports the one china policy. Some countries might pretend but they only do it for one reason. MONEY
yes, you are right. but china doesn't intend to attack taiwan if it doesn't declare independence. the status quo should be kept because its beneficial to both groups.
the problem is that this was agreed on by different governments and people now want to change what has already been agreed on
But those very same textbooks were adament that Taiwan was a part of China. So, can't you say that the KMT tried to brainwash the Taiwanese people that the island is a part of China, though it certainly is not?
How long will China accept the "status quo"? Certainly not indefinately. Still, why should the Taiwanese people accept it. If Taiwan is a sovereign state (which it is), why shouldn't the Taiwanese people be able to exercise its rights as any other sovereign state in the world is able to.
Remember, political agreements by OTHER countries have no legal standing on the TAIWANESE nation. No state has the right to surrender Taiwan's sovereignty without Taiwan's consent.
Originally posted by chinawhite
here devilwasp
www.china.org.cn...
A EU report
europa.eu.int...
europa.eu.int...
[edit on 16-9-2005 by chinawhite]