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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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posted on Sep, 9 2005 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by ludahai
Actually, it was the MONGOLS who conquered Tibet, and the Ming DIDN't stay.


The word chinese refers to chinas 56 ethnic groups that live in china. each one of them contributed to chinas long history and culture.

The dominanting group of course is the HAN chinese but other goups eg.

Manchu and mongolian were also dominating at one time in chians history



Chinese is not just Han chinese




posted on Sep, 9 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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China has carried out at least 1,781 executions last year more than the rest of the world combined.

China has the largest prison camps on Earth mostly for the financial gain of gov't officials.



posted on Sep, 9 2005 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
China has carried out at least 1,781 executions last year more than the rest of the world combined.


pedofiles, serial killers, muderers, Money Laundering, Organized crime



China has the largest prison camps on Earth mostly for the financial gain of gov't officials.


you mean Prisons.

maybe because china has 1/5 of the worlds population. and not 1/5 of the worlds total land mass. you need to set up larger prisons



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
Im not going to make this long.

Sending propaganda is not liberatoin


Nope, but as I pointed out, they are the main force that defeated Japan.

I talked about the bombing and propaganda in responce to you saying that US never been to Taiwan in WW2.

Another thing is there were US officers, ships and aircrafts in Taiwan right after WW2 for various reason. Some were there for POW evac, and some were there to assist Japanese going back to Japan.



[edit on 10-9-2005 by twchang]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by twchang

Nope, but as I pointed out, they are the main force that defeated Japan.


well chinese forces took their fair share of casulties and held down 2million japanese soldiers. the main japanese force



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
well chinese forces took their fair share of casulties and held down 2million japanese soldiers. the main japanese force


But all things considered, Japan was defeated by US.

Without US, things can be very different.

[edit on 10-9-2005 by twchang]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by twchang

Nope, but as I pointed out, they are the main force that defeated Japan.


well chinese forces took their fair share of casulties and held down 2million japanese soldiers. the main japanese force



That is total lies! The KMT and CCP spent all their time running from the Japanese and fighting each other history books in the free world tell the truth here.

Everything you will read from the KMT ans CCP archives will spread lies about this.



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:15 AM
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"Calling it China's eight-year war of resistance sounds good, but actually China was set to perish at Japan's hands. In his book The Second World War, the British war historian John Keegan described China's war of resistance as a battle to "keep their distance" from the enemy, and that they rarely threatened their opponent. He added that there was little difference in the performance of Chiang's troops and those of the communists.

During the war, Japan had a high level of control over China. It had established four successive puppet governments, and the government of the Republic of China (ROC) had all but ceased to exist. As Yale history professor Jonathan Spence has said, without World War II, China might have split in 1938. Chiang was undertaking a last-ditch fight, and was lucky to be able to hold on until Japan's defeat. Otherwise, he might not have had to wait until he fled to Taiwan to proclaim the death of the ROC.

This special day should be marked as the end of World War II, rather than the day of victory in the war of resistance. This is the historical fact. The KMT and the CCP, however, have come up with their own versions. No matter how they commemorate this day, they are merely writing a fake history. If they really want to discuss the Sino-Japanese War, they should first clarify the historical facts.Calling it China's eight-year war of resistance sounds good, but actually China was set to perish at Japan's hands. In his book The Second World War, the British war historian John Keegan described China's war of resistance as a battle to "keep their distance" from the enemy, and that they rarely threatened their opponent. He added that there was little difference in the performance of Chiang's troops and those of the communists.

During the war, Japan had a high level of control over China. It had established four successive puppet governments, and the government of the Republic of China (ROC) had all but ceased to exist. As Yale history professor Jonathan Spence has said, without World War II, China might have split in 1938. Chiang was undertaking a last-ditch fight, and was lucky to be able to hold on until Japan's defeat. Otherwise, he might not have had to wait until he fled to Taiwan to proclaim the death of the ROC.

This special day should be marked as the end of World War II, rather than the day of victory in the war of resistance. This is the historical fact. The KMT and the CCP, however, have come up with their own versions. No matter how they commemorate this day, they are merely writing a fake history. If they really want to discuss the Sino-Japanese War, they should first clarify the historical facts."

www.taipeitimes.com...


Pitiful performance by the CCP is their history and their history paints colorful lies.



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
That is total lies! The KMT and CCP spent all their time running from the Japanese and fighting each other history books in the free world tell the truth here.

Everything you will read from the KMT ans CCP archives will spread lies about this.


my post still stands. they held 2million japanese soldiers down guarding china and took their fair share of casulties

[edit on 10-9-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:28 AM
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The only thing the CCP military has proved thus far is:

They can take the weapons dropped by surrendering Japanese troops and fight a corrupt collapsing KMT.

They kill Tibetans armed with spears and bow n' arrows.

They kill their own unarmed citizens.

Oh, Great CCP army, PLA!



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss

This special day should be marked as the end of World War II, rather than the day of victory in the war of resistance. This is the historical fact. The KMT and the CCP, however, have come up with their own versions.

www.taipeitimes.com...


Please. do you have anything else but taipeitimes



Pitiful performance by the CCP is their history and their history paints colorful lies.


well fighting a enemy without rifles will be hard for anyone



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:31 AM
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"my post still stands. they held 2million japanese soldiers down guarding china and took their fair share of casulties "

It's a lie. They spent all their time running from the Japanese and plotting ambushes of their temporary ally the KMT.

The truth is on the web. Don't spread lies.



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:33 AM
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The only thing the CCP military has proved thus far is:


It can defeat a america to a stalemate with inferior arms and no airsupport



They can take the weapons dropped by surrendering Japanese troops and fight a corrupt collapsing KMT.


they were given weapons by the soviets to fight a 4million man army with 500,000 of them american trained and equipped. with 900,000 of them not all armed with rifles



They kill Tibetans armed with spears and bow n' arrows.


that were causing a uprising



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
It's a lie. They spent all their time running from the Japanese



your a lie...............

Its called gureilla warfare




en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


and plotting ambushes of their temporary ally the KMT.


yeah, we plotted ambush with a million strong KMT army next to yunan at anytime it could attack



The truth is on the web. Don't spread lies.





Nothing i say is a lie. unlike your KMT propaganda



[edit on 10-9-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:00 AM
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I agree with Bodebliss.

The KMT and CCP never fought the Japanese effectively. Large portion of China's territories are under Japanese controls.

While the CCP history glorify their own effort, KMT history indicates great amount of backstabbing by CCP during the war.

KMT history also glorify its own efforts. Other sources indicate that KMT's military really didn't do much. Their strategy is mainly waiting. They didn't really take any offensive action against Japanese. Also, they got all their military supplies etc from Allies, mainly US.

The individuals that fought the war might still deserve respect, but overall, the currpted KMT and the backstabbing CCP just didn't seem to do much. In any case, both KMT and CCP's histories are not accurate. And the main efforts in defeating the Japanese still come from US.


[edit on 10-9-2005 by twchang]

[edit on 10-9-2005 by twchang]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by twchang
I agree with Bodebliss.


of course you would. two peas in a pod



The KMT and CCP never fought the Japanese effectively. Large portion of China's territories are under Japanese controls.


Actually dont include CCP in that one. we were gureilla fighters. we didn't fight pitch battles.

the KMT didn't fight effictivly.(mainly because of strategy ) but also from poor leadership and lack of arms.



While the CCP history glorify their own effort, KMT history indicates great amount of backstabbing by CCP during the war.


I haven't read any CCP books that states that the CCP defeated the japanese single handedly.

Remeber these are school textbooks and not books written by individuals



KMT history also glorify its own efforts. Other sources indicate that KMT's military really didn't do much. Their strategy is mainly waiting. They didn't really take any offensive action against Japanese.


actually 22 major battles(a major battle is +500,000 on both sides)



Also, they got all their military supplies etc from Allies, mainly US.


not communist


backstabbing CCP just didn't seem to do much.



Backstabbing????????????????/

how did you come to this conclusion?

are you the same person that claimed that the CCP and japanese were in a alliance

[edit on 10-9-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:15 AM
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WHere do you guys read your versioin of history from. i dont read mine off communist websites, chinese forums. i get mine off neutral sources websites. people that are not communist or chinese .

well you two get them off taiwan headquarters.

mainly Bodebliss.



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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"Chinese side
The KMT Army had approximately 4,300,000 regulars.
The number of those on the CCP side, due to their guerilla status, is difficult to say, though estimates place the total number of the Eighth Route Army, New Fourth Army, and irregulars at 1,300,000
Communist Armies and other units of Chinese forces:

Japanese side
The IJA had 2,000,000 regulars.
The Collaborationist Chinese Army formed approximate 2,100,000, the only collaborationist army in WW2 which outnumbered the invading army.

Chinese Casualties
The Kuomintang fought in 22 major engagements, each of which involved at least one hundred thousand troops from both sides, and in just over 40,000 skirmishes.
The CCP mostly fought guerilla attacks in rural area in North China. It would later give them credence to win them support in the Chinese Civil War.
The Chinese lost approximately 3.22 million soldiers. 9.13 million civilians died in crossfire, and another 8.4 million as non-military casualties.
Property loss of the Chinese valued up to 383,301.3 million US dollars according to the currency exchange rate in July 1937, roughly 50 times of the GDP of Japan at that time (770 million US dollars).
In addition, the war created ninety-five million refugees.

Japanese Casualties
The Japanese recorded around 1.1 million military casualties, killed, wounded and missing."

www.answers.com...

Chinese can't fight, Especially the CCP (hidding in the Hills. Let others do their fighting).

"The CCP mostly fought guerilla attacks in rural area in North China. It would later give them credence to win them support in the Chinese Civil War. "

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Without the US bringing the fight to Japan, supporting the corrupt KMT and CCP, and making the Japanese surrender, the Japanese would have annihilated China. Ha, Chinese did so poorly they weren't even invited to the surrender ceremony on the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.


www.uglychinese.org...

China can't fight!



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
Actually dont include CCP in that one. we were gureilla fighters. we didn't fight pitch battles.

the KMT didn't fight effictivly.(mainly because of strategy ) but also from poor leadership and lack of arms.



"We?" You are in CCP? or You fought WW2?

CCP history is not accurate. How effective was the "gureilla" war? Did they actually fought? or just run?



Backstabbing????????????????/

how did you come to this conclusion?

are you the same person that claimed that the CCP and japanese were in a alliance


No, but there are records that CCP attack KMT's back after the Japanese attack. Or that they are not helping out during fight.



posted on Sep, 10 2005 @ 01:23 AM
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All this proves that a small united country Like Taiwan could defeat China!



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