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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by twchang
Don't think China can just send Helicopters to Taiwan.


helicopters are very hard to detect.



They will face air defense system from Navy, PAC and airforce. Plus lower level SAM such as stinger missiles, avenger (stingers on Humvee) and others. There are also new types of anti-aircraft guns (with high firing rate and remote control system, can be used agaist vehicle as well) developed jointly by Taiwan and Singapore.


which systems does the taiwanese navy have?. do they have stingers?

do you mean the anti-aircraft guns like on naval ships.? like the Phalanx system.




posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by gooseuk
Greetings,

Alright, while on paper, if the whole of the US military "were" able to have thier whole force available for a conflict with China. The simple fact is that if there is ever a conflict with china, the US would NOT have its full strength to combat the chinese, the Americans have troops in the Middle East, Europe etc

They just aren't capable of throwing every thing at the chinese straight away, it would take at least a month to start pulling troops and equipment out of europe if possible, not to mention other tactical air and naval units at least a week to either get there and then if they are lucky to launch their first air strike.

As for the Carriers, its all theory, thats it. The Carriers where never used in a situation where they were in a real threat enviroment. Every thing about carrier battle groups working in a war enviroment is all theory, and as with every thing, theory is wonderful in the lab, but some times it just doesn't work.

I agree that 2 or 3 CBGs would make it difficult, but not impossible, you still need troops on the ground to defend those positions, the strait is shallow water, some thing those chinese diesel electrics have the edge.

- Phil


Utterly crap. If war never break out in another 20 years, by that time, China is already more powerful than US. So, you can now keep on dreaming until 20 years later. LOL


[edit on 27-8-2005 by NUKE_BOOOSTER]

[edit on 27-8-2005 by asala]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
helicopters are very hard to detect.


Really now, perhaps the Commanche which has been canceled. However regular attack chopters have to contend with visual, infrared, and radar detection. Yes you can fly low but an AWACS plance will be able to pick you out of the clutter.

Plus a fleet or armed attack chopters crossing the Taiwanese straight, would be spotted and intercepted unless the PLAAF give it a huge fighter escort.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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"Utterly crap. If war never break out in another 20 years, by that time, China is already more powerful than US. So, you can now keep on dreaming until 20 years later. "

You want to back that up w/ some data or is the product of Chinese thinking always empty? Is it only good for hurling insults or is there some thinking behind it?







[edit on 8/27/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

a american armed with a M4 or M16 is going to kill 4 chinese armed with AKs?

Yes, because M16 and M4 are better rifles than AKs.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by chinawhite
FORCE PROJECTION: 60 A400M transport planes


so what.

So we can send our forces anywhere we want.

Originally posted by chinawhite


PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer - can destroy targets before they can destroy it


its moving artillery. its not a anti-tank gun.(not purpose built)

Artillery (apart from anti-aircraft artillery), by purpose, is supposed to destroy any ground targets, e.g. tanks.

Originally posted by chinawhite


TRAINING: as good as that of the American, British and French military, because they train together.


and this means something because?

Because training matters.

[edit on 27-8-2005 by AtheiX]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
did i refute his claims.?

No you didnt I was mearly pointing out a fact.


i said that he cant claim anything without knowing anything.


How do you he doesnt know about chinese military training?



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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You want to back that up w/ some data or is the product of Chinese thinking always empty? Is it only good for hurling insults or is there some thinking behind it?
[edit on 8/27/2005 by bodebliss]


GDP in China was clearly an evidence, dude!! So, are you scare now or are you feel threatened? Why not the US write another report about China's economy threat? The fact had just started, more to go and more fear for the US.



[edit on 27-8-2005 by NUKE_BOOOSTER]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
what defines well trained in your opinion?.

Defines well trained in my opinion?
An armed forces servicemen who knows his or her rifle inside and out, can use the most up to date weaponry efficiently and correctly, is a skilled shooter, is physically, mentally and educationaly fit to do the job asked of him or her by his or hers superiors and more and is well educated.


who as more live fire exercises. more fit, educated?

Pretty much what I stated before.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
Yes, because M16 and M4 are better rifles than AKs.


thinkabout the rate of fire of 4 AKs and the ranges.


Originally posted by chinawhite
So we can send our forces anywhere we want.


no you cant. you need tankers for al those planes



Artillery (apart from anti-aircraft artillery), by purpose, is supposed to destroy any ground targets, e.g. tanks.


no, fire support.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
How do you he doesnt know about chinese military training?


i can tell from the comments he made about the chinese military.

eg. transport ships/planes



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Defines well trained in my opinion?
An armed forces servicemen who knows his or her rifle inside and out, can use the most up to date weaponry efficiently and correctly, is a skilled shooter, is physically, mentally and educationaly fit to do the job asked of him or her by his or hers superiors and more and is well educated.


very good .

those quailties in a soldier dont look hard to achieve. i think if you throw enough money at it, it can be achieve quickly



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE_BOOOSTER
GDP in China was clearly an evidence, dude!! So, are you scare now or are you feel threatened? Why not the US write another report about China's economy threat? The fact had just started, more to go and more fear for the US.


Yes Yes, Lets take a look. Forget that the huge exonomic growth is being fueled by ultra cheap labor, forget the fact that there is a huge use of prision labor, forget the fact that massive pollution and contamination of potable water and the environment is going on, forget the fact that population controll is cutting into A) The female to male ration and B) the super cheap labor pool, forget the fact that Yuan is artificaly kept low to boost exports, forget all of that and what do you have? Quite simply nothing.

China's booming econmy will last only so long as as cheap labor source is avalible. Remember when the Japanese economy was going to rule the world? Or the EU? etc. etc. RIng a bell?



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
thinkabout the rate of fire of 4 AKs and the ranges.

Actually its type 81s..
And the M-16 can engage them a full 100 yards before the chinese can..but then again this is armchair general stuff since this would never happen.



no you cant. you need tankers for al those planes

Yeah they have those tankers..



no, fire support.

Are you telling me that artillery is nt used to hit ground targets?



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
very good .

those quailties in a soldier dont look hard to achieve. i think if you throw enough money at it, it can be achieve quickly

Not really, the ammount of time spent training is cruticial.
24 weeks is a very good time spent training.


Originally posted by chinawhite
i can tell from the comments he made about the chinese military.

eg. transport ships/planes

So you can tell that he knows nothing about training from the fact he makes BIG mistakes and little ones about the chinese military ?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Yeah they have those tankers..


60 tankers.?



Are you telling me that artillery is nt used to hit ground targets?


it is.

but its not designed to fight a tank 1v1 like athiex said



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
60 tankers.?

They have over 235 KC-135 STRATOTANKER's in active service.





it is.

but its not designed to fight a tank 1v1 like athiex said

I dont think he said that in those words...You could use it to do that...not the best tool for the job but heh could work.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
They have over 235 KC-135 STRATOTANKER's in active service.


germany? has that much
are you sure



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
Yes Yes, Lets take a look. Forget that the huge exonomic growth is being fueled by ultra cheap labor,


how is it ultra-cheap? they get paid 75cents in american dollars. times that by 8.2 you get 6.15yuan a hour. prices in china are lower than what they are in america. you get a pretty good standard of living.



forget the fact that there is a huge use of prision labor,


hey... you cant say that with out proof.



forget the fact that massive pollution and contamination of potable water and the environment is going on,


america is the largest polluter on the planet with 1/3 of chinas population.



forget the fact that population controll is cutting into A) The female to male ration and B) the super cheap labor pool,


chinese have always favoured male children. the government cant control that.



forget the fact that Yuan is artificaly kept low to boost exports, forget all of that and what do you have?


thats a american fantasy. its was pegged to the dollar to keep inflation down.



China's booming econmy will last only so long as as cheap labor source is avalible.


with increased standard of living and wages. chinese people are growing to increase the amount of consumer goods they buy. which in turn keeps the manufracturing industry going. there is still a long way before the low wage workers run out. we still have our western provinces to use.



Remember when the Japanese economy was going to rule the world? Or the EU? etc. etc. RIng a bell?


china has much more potential than what japan or the EU had.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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Slave Labor:


The report includes a description of Wal-Mart's contract with the Qin Shi Factory to make their line of Kathie Lee handbags. Workers are held in indentured servitude as they work 14-hour shifts, 7 days a week, 30 days a month. They bring home 3 cents an hour, a total of $3.10 for a 98-hour workweek. Because they are charged for room and board, which consists of 16 people to a dorm room and two dismal meals a day, some employees end up owing the factory money at the end of the month.
www.davidicke.net...





A manager at Shanghai’s Laodong Machinery Plant, where hand tools were made, boasted that because the U.S. Congress had recently made “quite a fuss” about the prison camps, he and his bosses had devised a way to get around the problem.
www.newsmax.com...


An ATS thread on the issue:
politics.abovetopsecret.com...




The prisons and forced labor camps (or gulags) in China are violating the basic human rights of the detainees by contracting with businesses and enslaving the detainees to make products without pay. The huge profits from slave labor entice the forced labor camps and the prisons in China to escalate their human rights violation against the detainees for more profits.
www.asianresearch.org...


As far a pollution goes, the US may crank out alot of CO2 etc, but nowhere near has the envrionmental problems that CHina has from acid rain to polluted water etc. I can provide you link after link after link.



posted on Aug, 27 2005 @ 09:50 PM
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Yes we have all seen the wonderfull conditions that every Chinese lives in. But one has to wonder if that is simply the communist propaganda machine at work here.

If it is such a utopia, why the mad cleanup before the Olympics?



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