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posted on Aug, 20 2005 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by twchang
But there are differences. You can see them if you observe. I met some Chinese in the past and they just act differently from Taiwanese.


there is a lot of difference between chinese people. north eat noodles/dumpings while the south is a mainly rice area. the country is so big many different rituals and type of languages.



Unfortunately I never went to Fujian so I don't know if there are big difference between Taiwan and Fujian. But my father went to Fujian and other Chinese provinces once and he thinks there are a lot of differences. The land, the people...they are all different.


trust me. taiwan and fujian are 99% a match culturally. fujian developed indepently for a long time by itself because of the surrounding mountainous area. you wont find fujianese culture anywhere else in china except fujian and taiwan. right now there is something like 1million taiwanese permanent residents living in china. mainly for buiness reasons.

may i ask when did he take this trip.



I am not trying to deny that a lot of Taiwanese culture comes from China. But under different rule for so many years, there will be differences. Just like Hong Kong is still major different from the rest of the China, even after it becomes part of China after 1997.


name something that taiwan does cultrally different from china.




posted on Aug, 20 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
Well in India here, its called "hakka noodles" on the menu.. so I was wondering..


there is hakka noodles, but i thought you might be talking about Hokkien noodles because its more well known. i never seen hakka noodles sold out of china before



chinawhite..you've got some new blood at ATS..why don't you recruit some of them for some support on this thread..
One guy is "middlekingdom" and another is "jadechina"..
I found em' at "other current events"..
You seem to be "one-man-army"-ing out here with all these amerikanske!!


if i recruit new people then it will diffinatly turn into a flame war. i just like to discuss with one person at a time.

haha one man army



posted on Aug, 20 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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MODs please more this to PTS.

dont close this because its off-topic



posted on Aug, 20 2005 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou

Aren't Hakkas a subgroup of Han?


yes. but its very distictive language



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
twchang, don't you think that could be due to the size of the Nation?

There is a large different between Russian's depending on the area and China has what 1.3billion people?

If you take any sample, from City to City you will see a difference in many Nations even under the same Government.


Yes, I know that is very true. Each part of China looks and feel different even though they are under the same central government.

But my point is, Taiwan's culture etc is different from Hong Kong, Fujian or whatever. There are similarities and there are differences. That is why I disagree with people who try to generalize it too much, because that would make things too simplified. Especially when people try to use "culture" as a reason for "unification".

For example, I think there are some similarities between US, Canada, and UK cultures, but there are many differences. In any case it doesn't mean they need to be in the same country.

Another thing I want to mention is that politics actually can effect greatly the eventually outcome of a Chinese invasions, if it ever happens. In my opinion, Taiwan cannot stop an invasion, even with US help, if it doesn't stand firm politically.

[edit on 21-8-2005 by twchang]

[edit on 21-8-2005 by twchang]



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
may i ask when did he take this trip.


About half year ago.



name something that taiwan does cultrally different from china.


Well, lets see...the ones I can think of:

1. there is the aboriginal cultures, which is different.
2. the way people talk are very different. The use of slans, etc are also different.
3. some vocabularies in Taiwanese come from Japanese. Many buildings are from Japanese era (the president office for example), and some new buildings (interior / exterior) are modeled after the Japanese housing.
4. Many people in Taiwan likes Japanese stuff. Many young people watch Japanese TV shows, animation, play Japanese video games...etc. Some practice Japanese martial arts.
5. There is a stage show that uses clothes puppets, which are popular amoung some people. They made a lot of TV shows out of it as well. (I am not sure if this stuff originate from Fujian...but it was almost abolished by KMT because KMT wants to surpress local cultures at that time)
6. The bubble tea stuff.
7. There are many food in Taiwan that looks like Chinese food, but are actually different from the food in southern or northern China.
8. From what I heard from my father, my friends and from my own experience, many Chinese people have a different perspective on history, cultures, ways of living and other ideas from Taiwanese people. I have some friends from Hong Kong, and they think differently from me. I also have a lengthy chats with an older guy from China, and there is almost nothing we agree upon.
9. There are comedy TV shows made by different TV stations in Taiwan, which I think is quite unique after I watch the similar type of shows from Hong Kong and US. Some of those shows are quite good, but some are very bad. Many people in Taiwan enjoy them.

Edit:
10. Almost forgot, the whole Baseball culture in Taiwan is a big difference. Taiwan has its own professional baseball league, and many people are fans of the sports. I myself start doing some swinging and throwing when I was 11, and play casual games sometimes.

There are probably more. But the most important thing is that there is a different feel when I am talking with someone from China than someone from Taiwan, especially when we talk for long...it is just a experience I got from the past. Everyone is different, but there are some common "links" or "values" sort of between people, and I sense it more when I am with Taiwanese...so there is definitely a difference. And I think differences are good...add more colors to life.


[edit on 21-8-2005 by twchang]



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 09:09 AM
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Pretty much every region in China is different from each other. Taiwan is no more different from Fujian than Xian is different from Shanghai. China is like United Kingdom, a union of former kingdoms with slightly differering cultures (in UK's case that would be Wales, England, etc). Except in China's case there's a lot more former kingdoms than UK. Each of these regions developed relatively independent of each other for long periods of time, that's why today we have about 50 dialects in the Chinese language. Taiwan's history is pretty short, it hasn't even developed its own dialect. The local dialect that exists in Taiwan is from Fujian.



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite


Originally posted by chinawhite
no japan gave up all those rights agreed in cario in 1943. when japan surrendered she gave the land back to china.

by 1945 the last japanese troops already surrendered to the ROC


wrong,japan was never involved at all in the "cairo conference in 1943"

the cairo conference was the allies declaration and discussions of plans to restore land to "ROC" after the war.

the cairo conference has absolutely NOTHING to do with those chicomms baboon's red arse bandits liars or the PRC/CCP in any way shape or form!


Originally posted by chinawhite
the CCP NEVER EVER helped or allied themselves with the japanese.

THE CCP and mao allied themeselves with the Guomindang againest the japanese in 1937. they decleared a truce until the war was finished.

even your basic knowledge is lacking


When the chicomms was almost exterminated by the ROC, the chicomms appealed loudly, “Chinese do not fight Chinese” and promised to submit itself to the leadership of the ROC. As soon as the anti-Japanese war (1937-1945) was over, the chicomms turned full force against the ROC and overthrew the ROC government.

the chicomms and the japanese were natural allies,since their common enemies were of course the ROC/ANZUS allies!

After the Japanese occupied the city of Shenyang on September 18, 1931,thereby extending their control over large areas in northeastern China, the Chicomms fought shoulder to shoulder with Japanese invaders to defeat the ROC.

In a declaration written in response to the Japanese occupation, the Chicomms exhorted the people in the ROC controlled areas to rebel, calling on “workers to strike, peasants to make trouble, students to boycott classes, poor people to quit working, soldiers to revolt” so as to overthrow the ROC Nationalist government.

And it was Mao Zedong himself who said at the 1959 Lushan Plenum that the Chicomms’s task during the War of Resistance against Japan was to cooperate with the Japanese army by helping to attack soldiers and civilians that were opposing Japan, and to allow the Japanese army to occupy a greater share of China’s territory.

As a result, the Chicomms was able to stay in those Japanese-occupied areas that were safely beyond the reach of the ROC, and continue with its Yan’an “rectification” movement, the planting of opium, and the expansion of its troops.

after September-2-1945,the Imperial Japan Government surrender to the ROC/ANZUS allies. the 500,000 japanese and all its weapon in its japanese Manchukuo government in its manchuria stronghold decides to surrender and joined its allie the weaking and under equipped chicomms which has ran out of of weapons and out of places to hide.

also because the japanese in manchuria thinks they will get better deal and treatment from their chicomms allie. plus there's nothing really to go back to in japan. since japan is completely destroyed and occupied by the allies.

also the japanese in manchuria join the chicomms because the chicomms promised the japanese that Manchukuo government in manchuria can become independent country. because according to the then chicomms CCP Constitution Article 14 stated that "any ethnic groups or any provinces inside China can claim independence". the chicomms also promised that the independent Manchukuo country in manchuria will not be subject to the "The Cairo Declaration" which requires all land to be restored to the ROC.

later,the chicomms incorporated 900,000 more of the surrendering japanese soldiers and all its weapon from other area into the PLA, this how the chicomms went from being only a couple of thousands of bandits to became a formidable fighting force.

the japanese and chicomms thus joined togather to to keep on fighting their common enemies the ROC/ANZUS. which eventurally took over china after 4 years of the so called "civil wars".


Originally posted by chinawhite
MAO thanking japanese. thats a new one.


When Mao Zedong met with Sasaki, Kuroda, and Saihaku from the Socialist
Party of Japan, he stated that the CCP could not have seized power had the Japanese Imperial Army failed to invade more than half of China’s territory.

When China and Japan resumed diplomatic relations in 1972, Mao Zedong told Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka that "CCP would never have come to power if japan hadn't invaded china and allied with CCP"!


Originally posted by chinawhite
simiplyed was not invented by communist but by a chinese in WW1


wrong again,the Simplified Chinese characters used by chicomms today was developed by the chicomms government in the 1950s!


Originally posted by chinawhite
Mao was a scholar. he loved to enjoy reading and writing.


yeah,the glorious Mao Zedong was the greatest murderous killer the world has ever known! Mao Zedong loved torturing and enjoyed killing of innocent chinese! or do anything else to stay in power



Originally posted by chinawhite
i know there is different currency. whats your point


good to know,because you have no point at all.you are the one who pick it out and quoted! Taiwan elect its own government,has its own military,currency,etc, establish its own diplomatic relation with other countries. of course Taiwan ROC is an independent country and have *never ever* been apart of PRC at all!


Originally posted by chinawhite
the great leap forward was a failure and has been acknowledged by the chinese overnment. it set chinas development back by 10years.

the cultural revolution was started to create a true communist society. those that were thought to be haing a easy life were taught a lesson on the the rest of china lived. and get rid of the four olds. habits of the chinese people. like equal rights to women


Former CCP secretary general Hu Yiaobang said, "the Cultural Revolution implicated 100 million people. The CCP regime began in violence at the cost of 80 million lives killed through persecution."

and that's only the "culture dissolution and destruction revolutuon",not counting the 40 millions dead during the "great leap forward then backward"! do the math!

and those are two major event that the evil murderous chicomms baboon's red arse liars can't cover it up. not counting many other tortures and killing that continues to this day!


Originally posted by chinawhite
have you even read a communist book on the history of the war?


that explain everything, as to why you call those evil murderous chicomms baboon's red arse liars your mommy and daddy!



[edit on 21-8-2005 by j311o]

[edit on 22-8-2005 by Thomas Crowne]



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou
Taiwan's history is pretty short,...


I completely disagree. While Taiwan's recorded history is relatively shorter than China, India or Europe, it is not that short.

The aboriginal people in Taiwan immigrate to Taiwan from other islands in south eastern asia (area of Indonesia etc) to Taiwan long before. The wikipedia said "Taiwan has been populated for what is estimated by some anthropologists as approximately 30,000 years."

In 16th century, Portuguese sailors passing Taiwan and named it Ilha Formosa. After that Dutch traders setup forts and small cities (later become the city of Tainan, which is still a major city in Taiwan today) in southern Taiwan, Spanish setup forts in northern Taiwan (later defeated by Dutch). The remain of Dutch castle Zeelandia and others are still there in Taiwan...as tourists attraction.

Then it was controlled by Ming loyalist Zheng Chenggong, later by Manchu, then Japan, then ROC, to the current state.

So at least the recorded history starts from 16th century. So that is about 400 years at least. Compare to the history of cosmo, that is nothing, but hey...400 years is quite sometime for human beings, a lot of things human considered important can happen in 400 years.


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posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 07:06 PM
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Of course the aborginals in Taiwan may have a long history, but they pretty much gone now. Only 2% of the population are aboriginal. The rest 98% are either from mainland China or are descendants of mainland immigrants from only a few centuries ago. For those people, their history is relatively short. The majority of their history took place on the mainland. The Hakka (subgroup of Han, about 40% of Taiwanese population), for example, used to live all the way in northern China.

The thing is, you can't argue in favour of Taiwan's independence based on culture. Almost every region in China has a culture strongly based on Han culture, with some small differences between each of them, just like Taiwan. Nothing makes Taiwan "special," or "different" from the rest.

This issue is by far more of a political issue than a cultural one. Taiwanese hate the CCP, that's the major reason for not accepting unification. They also do not believe the CCP will keep its word in its one-party-two-systems proposal, fearing the CCP might easily take over everything after gaining limited control.

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posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou
The thing is, you can't argue in favour of Taiwan's independence based on culture. Almost every region in China has a culture strongly based on Han culture, with some small differences between each of them, just like Taiwan. Nothing makes Taiwan "special," or "different" from the rest.
[edit on 21-8-2005 by Taishyou]


Yes, but you can't use culture to argue in favour of "unification" neither.

In any case, I think it is very important to recognize and respect culture differences. Trying to say something like "Persian and Arabian are the same," or "American and English are the same" is just not accurate.

Without respecting the differences, things like the cutlure surpressions from the KMT in the past will happen. In the past, KMT surpress Taiwanese cultures like the puppet shows, the dialects and aborigianl cultures, and others things in school, TV, movies and in society in general, because they think culture from China is surperior.

And even though the aboriginal population is only 2% in Taiwan, their cultures contribute greatly to the overall cultures in Taiwan. Many aboriginal music concerts are performed, and some ceremonies are performed with aboriginal dances etc. For example, during the opening ceremony of a F-16 squadron, aboriginal ceremony is performed, and one of the aboriginal symbol of sun is painted in grey on the tail of the fighters in the squad.



posted on Aug, 21 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by twchangculture from China

There is no single culture in China. Each region in China has its own culture, most of them having roots in Han culture while differing slightly from each other. Taiwan is no different from any one of those regions in that respect. Some regions in China also have influences from non-Hans just like Taiwan having influences from aboriginals, for example the areas in the northwest are influenced by Islam. Shanghai also has a lot of influence from the Japanese, especially in media.


Originally posted by twchang
Yes, but you can't use culture to argue in favour of "unification" neither.

Of course, culture is not that big of an issue. Like I said, this is more a political issue than a cultural one. More geopolitical. This is about two large powers, US and China, competing for influence in the SE Asia region. The CCP wants to add Taiwan to its deck so it can compete better with the US while preventing them from putting too much influence in the region. The US wants to prevent China from benefitting from owning Taiwan and also make Taiwan a heavily US-influenced country like Japan. Maybe also put a couple of airbases on it to further threaten China.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 12:32 AM
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Alrighty then: While there is some decent back and forth discussion going on here, if the personal attacks continue, or the outright baiting, then this thread will pretty much come to its usefull end.

So please keep on topic, stay mindfull of what you are posting, and please show respect for each point of view no matter how much you disagree.

Thanks
Fred



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by twchang
1. there is the aboriginal cultures, which is different.


the natives of taiwan are like the maori of new zealand.



2. the way people talk are very different. The use of slans, etc are also different.


no they dont. i have been to taiwan and i understand everything they say. not mardarin.



3. some vocabularies in Taiwanese come from Japanese. Many buildings are from Japanese era (the president office for example), and some new buildings (interior / exterior) are modeled after the Japanese housing.


japanese.? like what rice paper.



4. Many people in Taiwan likes Japanese stuff. Many young people watch Japanese TV shows, animation, play Japanese video games...etc. Some practice Japanese martial arts.


go visit any city on chinas east coast that you cant say the same.



5. There is a stage show that uses clothes puppets, which are popular amoung some people. They made a lot of TV shows out of it as well. (I am not sure if this stuff originate from Fujian...but it was almost abolished by KMT because KMT wants to surpress local cultures at that time)


you are naming TV shows.



6. The bubble tea stuff.


it was actually created in hong kong but the taiwanese put jelly inside. i can get bubble tea in australia.



7. There are many food in Taiwan that looks like Chinese food, but are actually different from the food in southern or northern China.


like what?



8. From what I heard from my father, my friends and from my own experience, many Chinese people have a different perspective on history, cultures, ways of living and other ideas from Taiwanese people. I have some friends from Hong Kong, and they think differently from me. I also have a lengthy chats with an older guy from China, and there is almost nothing we agree upon.


can you rephase this.



9. There are comedy TV shows made by different TV stations in Taiwan, which I think is quite unique after I watch the similar type of shows from Hong Kong and US. Some of those shows are quite good, but some are very bad. Many people in Taiwan enjoy them.


all you need to do is buy a staeillite dish to watch taiwanese television. hponiex xing kong. any of that can be watched



10. Almost forgot, the whole Baseball culture in Taiwan is a big difference. Taiwan has its own professional baseball league, and many people are fans of the sports. I myself start doing some swinging and throwing when I was 11, and play casual games sometimes.


why is baseball influencing china and taiwan polictically?



There are probably more. But the most important thing is that there is a different feel when I am talking with someone from China than someone from Taiwan, especially when we talk for long...it is just a experience I got from the past. Everyone is different, but there are some common "links" or "values" sort of between people, and I sense it more when I am with Taiwanese...so there is definitely a difference. And I think differences are good...add more colors to life.


talk to a northern chinese and southern chinese and you will feel the same.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
why is baseball influencing china and taiwan polictically?


This is very hard to explain. On the surface, baseball is just like any other sport. However, the game in and of itself to its fans has a profound spiritual and emotional context. The "Church of Baseball" is a term often bantered around.

During the cold war, Baseball took on sort of a political meaning as very few communist countries played the sport. SO it can and does influence society in a variety of ways.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:33 AM
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Report says Taiwan is conducting talks to buy US choppers

NEW REQUIREMENTS: Taiwan is reportedly looking into upgrading its aging attack-helicopter fleet and has been talking to both Bell and Sikorsky

AFP , TAIPEI
Monday, Aug 22, 2005,Page 3
Taiwan is in talks with US companies to purchase dozens of attack and transport helicopters and upgrade the AH-1W Super Cobra attack fleet serving the army, Jane's Defence Weekly said.

"Taiwan and Bell Helicopter-Textron have launched talks on co-manufacturing UH-1Y Huey light utility and AH-1Z King Cobra attack helicopters to fulfil Taipei's requirement for 35 and 30, respectively, of the aircraft," the London-based publication said in an article to be published on Wednesday.

Rreplacing

If the deals go ahead, the UH-1Y would replace part of the army's fleet of Bell UH-1hs, which are nearing the end of their service life after 32 years, it said.

Bell is also proposing Taiwan's army upgrade its 63 Bell AH-1W Super Cobras, acquired in the 1990s, to AH-1Z configuration, the weekly said.

US-based Sikorsky is competing with Bell for the deals.

The weekly said Sikorsky was proposing its UH-60 Black Hawk to replace Taiwan's UH-1H fleet.

Track record

Sikorsky also has a track record in Taiwan, whose navy operates two squadrons of Sikorsky SH-70C anti-submarine warfare helicopters acquired in the 1990s.

Competition

A third competitor is Boeing, which is proposing the AH-64D Apache Longbow to fulfil the attack-helicopter requirement.

"However, the company is still suffering political fallout after closing the door of its Seattle plant to Taiwanese Vice President Annette Lu in August 2003," it said.

Lu had planned to visit the 747-400 production line following a 2002 order by China Airlines for 10 aircraft.

Low profile

Boeing was keeping a low profile in Taiwan, a source involved in the Apache negotiations told the weekly, and was reportedly "terrified of losing the China market."

The company's Taipei representative refused an interview request.


Origin


Which helicopters do you think they should purchase?



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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They will upgrade thier Cobra's, Maybe the blackhawk for transport, and political ill will aside, I doubt they will pull the trigger on the Apache because fo the cost. For what they need the Apache would be overkill in this type of scenario. You could upgrade the Cobras, and still have money left over for your PAC-2's and PAC-3's etc.

But given the experience of the Apache's in the GWII, I am skeptical about thier future in a direct combat role. More of a periferal player than an on the front line attack platform as they seem pretty delicate. If the US had some to spare I would offer the A-10. It would be pretty darned good in an AS role and most ships short of an Iowa class BB do not have the armor to stop the Avenger.

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posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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Actually here is a question:

Does anyone know what China is using for their helicopter fleet?

Helicopters - if they have enough of them could cause massive problems for Taiwan [as helicopters did in Iraq, etc].


source
The men, both naturalized U.S. citizens were identified as Amanullah Khan, 54, a Pakistani native also known as Wali Merchant, and Ziad Jamil Gammoh, 53, a Jordanian native also known as Al Gammoh, the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said in an indictment on Thursday.

The bureau charged them with trying to export to China components for F-4 and F-5 fighter jets and conspiring to export parts for F-14 Tomcat fighter jets, AH-1J Cobra helicopter gunships and Hawk surface-to-air missiles.
[2003]

Doesn't Israel also use the AH-64 Apache?

Might they have sold parts to China...

[edit on 22/8/2005 by Odium]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
If the US had some to spare I would offer the A-10. It would be pretty darned good in an AS role and most ships short of an Iowa class BB do not have the armor to stop the Avenger.


Nah, shooting down an A-10 with a ship would be about as easy as shooting down a drone. The A-10's are slow and have no way to shield themselves over open water. Chinese SAMs and triple A would easily take them out long before they even got close to a ship.

A P3 Orion has more chance of destryoing ships than a A-10.



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by j311o
wrong,japan was never involved at all in the "cairo conference in 1943"

the cairo conference was the allies declaration and discussions of plans to restore land to "ROC" after the war.

the cairo conference has absolutely NOTHING to do with those chicomms baboon's red arse bandits liars or the PRC/CCP in any way shape or form!


how am i wrong?? japan was never involed in the cario conference . i never said they were.

and read the cario conference paper. it never said ROC but china


Originally posted by chinawhite
When the chicomms was almost exterminated by the ROC, the chicomms appealed loudly, “Chinese do not fight Chinese” and promised to submit itself to the leadership of the ROC.


no during the XIAN incident the communist captured Chiang Kai-Shek and made him sign a agreeement. to stop the japanese invasoin



As soon as the anti-Japanese war (1937-1945) was over, the chicomms turned full force against the ROC and overthrew the ROC government.


It was the ROC that attacked the communist. and the numbers at the end of the war was 900,000communist vs 4million soldiers and 2million milita ROC



the chicomms and the japanese were natural allies,since their common enemies were of course the ROC/ANZUS allies!


you could also say ROC and japan were natural allies.



After the Japanese occupied the city of Shenyang on September 18, 1931,thereby extending their control over large areas in northeastern China, the Chicomms fought shoulder to shoulder with Japanese invaders to defeat the ROC.


umm. the communist were not even close to the north in 1931. ever heard of the 5 extermination campaigns. in southern china againest the communist stronghold.?

fighting shoulder to shoulder ....lol the funniest thing i ever heard.



In a declaration written in response to the Japanese occupation, the Chicomms exhorted the people in the ROC controlled areas to rebel, calling on “workers to strike, peasants to make trouble, students to boycott classes, poor people to quit working, soldiers to revolt” so as to overthrow the ROC Nationalist government.


name these rebellions. i like to hear this



And it was Mao Zedong himself who said at the 1959 Lushan Plenum that the Chicomms’s task during the War of Resistance against Japan was to cooperate with the Japanese army by helping to attack soldiers and civilians that were opposing Japan, and to allow the Japanese army to occupy a greater share of China’s territory.


umm. let me guess you lost any proof of this



As a result, the Chicomms was able to stay in those Japanese-occupied areas that were safely beyond the reach of the ROC, and continue with its Yan’an “rectification” movement, the planting of opium, and the expansion of its troops.


the japanese made a new tactic for the communist. it was called burn all loot all kill all. they sound friendly



after September-2-1945,the Imperial Japan Government surrender to the ROC/ANZUS allies. the 500,000 japanese and all its weapon in its japanese Manchukuo government in its manchuria stronghold decides to surrender and joined its allie the weaking and under equipped chicomms which has ran out of of weapons and out of places to hide.


they surrender to the soviet army. whihc put all 660,000 of them in labour camps in siberia. the soviets then gave all the arms to chinese communist



also because the japanese in manchuria thinks they will get better deal and treatment from their chicomms allie. plus there's nothing really to go back to in japan. since japan is completely destroyed and occupied by the allies.


they never went with the communist chinese



also the japanese in manchuria join the chicomms because the chicomms promised the japanese that Manchukuo government in manchuria can become independent country. because according to the then chicomms CCP Constitution Article 14 stated that "any ethnic groups or any provinces inside China can claim independence". the chicomms also promised that the independent Manchukuo country in manchuria will not be subject to the "The Cairo Declaration" which requires all land to be restored to the ROC.


the CCP consititution????? never heard these claims before



later,the chicomms incorporated 900,000 more of the surrendering japanese soldiers and all its weapon from other area into the PLA, this how the chicomms went from being only a couple of thousands of bandits to became a formidable fighting force.


the japanese never surrendered to the chinese communist. they were under orders from american ANZUS forces to only surrender to ROC forces. if you want proof i can flood a whole page with links?





When Mao Zedong met with Sasaki, Kuroda, and Saihaku from the Socialist
Party of Japan, he stated that the CCP could not have seized power had the Japanese Imperial Army failed to invade more than half of China’s territory.


yes this all happened but was unrecorded right?



When China and Japan resumed diplomatic relations in 1972, Mao Zedong told Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka that "CCP would never have come to power if japan hadn't invaded china and allied with CCP"!


same with this one




wrong again,the Simplified Chinese characters used by chicomms today was developed by the chicomms government in the 1950s!


yeah you got proof.

i have proof to back me up
en.wikipedia.org...



Originally posted by chinawhite
good to know,because you have no point at all.you are the one who pick it out and quoted! Taiwan elect its own government,has its own military,currency,etc, establish its own diplomatic relation with other countries. of course Taiwan ROC is an independent country and have *never ever* been apart of PRC at all!






Former CCP secretary general Hu Yiaobang said, "the Cultural Revolution implicated 100 million people. The CCP regime began in violence at the cost of 80 million lives killed through persecution."


Hu Yaobang was a admirer of mao zedong. his policy was whatever mao did was right and keep on doing what mao did.



and that's only the "culture dissolution and destruction revolutuon",not counting the 40 millions dead during the "great leap forward then backward"! do the math!


i am doing the maths but it doest add up. during the time china had increased population by 430million during the whole 1950-19-75




Originally posted by chinawhite
that explain everything, as to why you call those evil murderous chicomms baboon's red arse liars your mommy and daddy!


spreading propaganda is not good for your reputation




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