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Originally posted by Daedalus3
are you saying that the chinese wouldn't mind the infrastructural loss at Chengdu??!!
Chengdu is fightertown, China..Don't lessen the importance of chengdu..
Originally posted by chinawhite
is this meant to be sarcastic?
any links to a german/french officer stating that fact or are you looking at some book of their ranges?
this is completey a waste of my time trying to convince you that they cant.
not with the planes you said you are deploying
yes a airplane flying non-stop with as much re-fuels as it needs can reach china.
now why didn't the british do that in the falklands war? its pretty much the same distance.
but the thing is their all doing something
in 24hours the US 7th fleet is going to sail from japan and somehow win air superioty over chinese forces and stop a chinese invasion force which has already landed. sounds pausible. (lol)
and i said that a follow on of the rest of the 100,000 troops could be ferried over. on chinas massive maritine fleet
maybe in your fairy land but this is the ral world.
By the beginning of 2002, China had over two dozen amphibious landing ships and could transport a brigade of marines at one time, but could not carry enough supplies. China continued to build Landing Ship, Tank designs, although this type of ship had been largely abandoned by other countries.
A brigade is smaller than a division and roughly equal to or a little larger than a regiment. Strength typically ranges between 1,500 and 3,500 personnel
well not according to you its doesn't. deploy a airforce to be there in 24hours and win air superioty. hahaha
what allies? anything that doesn't have any vested interest in china?
Originally posted by Daedalus3
are you saying that the chinese wouldn't mind the infrastructural loss at Chengdu??!!
Chengdu is fightertown, China..Don't lessen the importance of chengdu..
That is a stalemate.. whatever you're talking about Odium..But I would think that the Americans would try and screw china over by flanking them from Afghanistan, Bay of Bengal, Sea Of Japan and the Phillipines.. Now the tactical advantage that comes with such a wide variety of theatres is immense..
China's S-400s, FT-2000 etc.. etc..cannot stop B-2s and F-22s..And B-1bs also if im not mistaken.. The B-2s,accompanied by F-22s will be followed by B-52s and F-117s.. Targets will include infrastructural sites that will reduce china's ability to continuously supply forces in Taiwan..
They can take the Island.. but I'm not so sure they could hold it..
PACOM wouldn't go on an all out assault.. China definitely has the seige advantage in Taiwan..I presume they(PACOM) would be involved in "occupying" China's forces deployed to respond to the US..
I suspect the major thrust would come from The west..Aerial bombardment..
I may not like the US that much, but one's got to respect their sheer deployability and strike options.. They're innumerable..
They can't attack mainland China without declaring war, and having all out war between countries that big and powerful, it's gonna be one hell of a mess. It might even escalate into a nuclear war.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
There’s one little thing, once China attacks our forces then that singles their decleration of war upon the United States. Therefore as a retaliatory response the US has every right to respond and attack any part of china.
Um... no, that can happen without declaration.
Originally posted by chinawhite
yes a airplane flying non-stop with as much re-fuels as it needs can reach china.
now why didn't the british do that in the falklands war? its pretty much the same distance.
Originally posted by devilwasp
No need to look for officers, german planes are just as good as british or american ones.
Look up the EF and mirage.
Yes we have, we used the RN task force in iraq.
I didnt say thats what they would do, you said that.
Because there isnt enough fuel and enough endurance, but I never once said they would be based out of france or germany.
Uhh yeah chinas massive fleet...
I said they could be in range within 24 hours. Never said they would be able to win it in 24.
The US has many allies, china would lose several BIG customers if it angered them.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
yeah.. I have to agree with westpoint on this one..
Any firing of a weapon or missile is a declaration of war.. where ever it may be..
Originally posted by chinawhite
Johnny doesn't own the country he represents us. we have to pass this vote in parliment first.
Australias deployments to afganistan and iraq are nothing. these countries do not do any sizable amount of trade with australia. they were deployed because of australias fear of terrorism not because america asked us to.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
They did.
which planes.?
Originally posted by devilwasp
Hardly 100,000 men...
They dont need to stop it, they would retake the island.
It is estimated that the large and medium amphibious ships in service with the PLA could lift a whole heavy armour division, or 1.5 to 2 light infantry divisions and their some equipment in the first wave of a regional amphibious assault. However, if take the sealift capabilities of smaller landing crafts and merchant ships into account, the aggregate lift of China’s amphibious forces could reach as many as five divisions (60,000 troops and their equipment).
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Vulcans.
They even did it with C130s so David Chaundler could parachute into the ocean and take command of 2 Para after H Jones was killed winning his VC.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Vulcans.
They even did it with C130s so David Chaundler could parachute into the ocean and take command of 2 Para after H Jones was killed winning his VC.
in the falklands?.
anyway why are we talking about the vulcan. we are talking about fighters.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Australia? Fear terrorism from Afghanistan and Iraq? What planet are you living on?
Neither deployment was because Australia feared terrorism.
Australian deaths at the hands of terrorists have all come in Indonesia (except for two tourists killed by the IRA in the Netherlands) post the liberation of Afghanistan. And those terrorists were Indos, not Afghanis or Arabs. Do you know where Bali or Jakarta are and when the bombs went off?
We went to Afghanistan because Johnny was determined to show Australia mattered (and it was the right thing to do) and we went to Iraq because Johnny was determined to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with George and Tony (and he believed it was the right thing to do). We went to Gulf War 1 and Somalia because traditionally where the yanks have gone, we've followed (and it was the right thing to do).
We went to Korea because it was the right thing to do and we were determined to show the UN could work.
We went to VN because we were in bed with the Yanks (and there were Reds under it, the Libs said so!) and we'd bought into the whole commie paranoia problem, not too difficult to understand when you consider we'd only just been fighting them in Korea and Malaya.
And perhaps you haven't been watching the news lately, but Johnny does own the country now, the ALP has a minority in the senate. Therefore, with a little party and coalition unity, Johnny can pass any legislation he wants. As for declarations of war, read the constitution.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Yes. Read any history of 2Para.
Irrelevant. You asked the question. The question was answered. You did not specify fighters.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Because there isnt enough fuel and enough endurance, but I never once said they would be based out of france or germany.