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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by EngineMan2145

The UN blames America for pollution, global warming, etc...countries like China pump out massive pollution as well.


america pollutesmore than any other country by far. they do warn china about pollution and gloabl warming.



The UN is a corrupt organization that was only useful for its first 15 years of existence. Now, all it exists as is an organization strictly opposed to virtually all things American.


just because other #ries dont want to have americas national policy why are they corrupt? why did you use the word currupt




posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by ulshadow

Whats the meaning of sharing? Hey China, heres hawaii, take it, it's all yours? this kind of sharing? please explain


not that kind of sharing. standard of living kind of sharing




Because thats what every other country does, china will do the same, once the US is weaken.


well america is doing the things you say china is going to do. attacks a soverign country for the oil.




Indeed, good thing i will be dead before this happen, or the world might just be over before this happens. That General in the PLA just might really nuke the US lol


i bet america already has plans drawn up for nuking the whole world.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 07:14 AM
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To end this topic once and for all, China cannot invade Taiwan.

To invade Taiwan, they need transport ships or transport planes to transport troops and vehicles to Taiwan.
They don't have any transport ships and they don't have any transport planes.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
To end this topic once and for all, China cannot invade Taiwan.

To invade Taiwan, they need transport ships or transport planes to transport troops and vehicles to Taiwan.
They don't have any transport ships and they don't have any transport planes.


This thread should be change to "Can China beat foreign interventions and re-take Taiwan". Anyone with a brain knows that China and Taiwan would be a mismatch without foreign interventions.

[edit on 6-8-2005 by puri]



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by puri

This thread should be change to "Can China beat foreign interventions and re-take Taiwan". Everyone with a brain knows that China and Taiwan are a mismatch without foreign interventions.

As I said, you cannot take over Taiwan, because you don't have the logistics to transport your troops.
But let's say you had. Then, if you would send your military to Taiwan, it would have to defeat the militaries of the US, Germany, France, GB, and maybe other countries. And China wouldn't be able to do that. China doesn't have a chance against the militaries I mentioned above.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by AtheiX

Originally posted by puri

This thread should be change to "Can China beat foreign interventions and re-take Taiwan". Everyone with a brain knows that China and Taiwan are a mismatch without foreign interventions.

As I said, you cannot take over Taiwan, because you don't have the logistics to transport your troops.
But let's say you had. Then, if you would send your military to Taiwan, it would have to defeat the militaries of the US, Germany, France, GB, and maybe other countries. And China wouldn't be able to do that. China doesn't have a chance against the militaries I mentioned above.



The US, UK, GB and Germany and practically almost all nations recognize that there is only one China and Taiwan is a inseperable part of China. Why would they intervene China's internal affairs. It's also in the UN Chater. Another crusade against "evil unbelievers of Christian god" or communist?

Most Chinese don't care being labeled a communists (actually I am not a ChinCom), that won't make them feel any inferior or incomplete. And they don't mind living peace with the cruisaders. But if they insist that Chniese are an obstacle to their cause, the Chinese will oblige.

More than one century ago, allied western forces did bring Chinese to their knees. Trust me on this, that proved to be too big a lesson that no Chinese will ever dare to forget.

To accomplish your goal, you first need to pussuade your government to recognize Taiwan as a country and cut ties with China, then you need to make UN kick China out (at least from the security counsil), then you need to establish your own "slave labor industry" (a good solution to your unemployment problem!) in your country to push China's cheap products completely out of the markets, then conquer some of the middle-east countries and persuade Russia to stop suply energy to China, then find transportations to move millions of your troops into Taiwan, last and the most important, you have to pray hard to your god that China sits around doing nothing all this time.

Puri
-with an attitude



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by puri
The US, UK, GB and Germany and practically almost all nations recognize that there is only one China and Taiwan is a inseperable part of China.
No country in the world acknowledges Taiwan, but most conduct trade with it.

Originally posted by puri
Why would they intervene China's internal affairs. It's also in the UN Chater. Another crusade against "evil unbelievers of Christian god" or communist?
We would have two reasons:
1) Defend a country that has been attacked
2) Crush our trade rival

Originally posted by puri
To accomplish your goal, you first need to pussuade your government to recognize Taiwan as a country and cut ties with China,
We don't need to do so. We will be defending a country that will be attacked. That is a reason strong enough.

Originally posted by puri
then you need to make UN kick China out (at least from the security counsil),

We don't need to.

Originally posted by puri
then you need to establish your own "slave labor industry" (a good solution to your unemployment problem!) in your country to push China's cheap products completely out of the markets,
We don't need to. Besides, we can institute an embargo on you for invading Taiwan.

Originally posted by puri
then conquer some of the middle-east countries and persuade Russia to stop suply energy to China,
We don't need to. Even if those countries will supply you, you will lose, because you have an inferior military.

Originally posted by puri
then find transportations to move millions of your troops into Taiwan,

We have transportations. Germany alone has 60 A400M transport planes.

Originally posted by puri
last and the most important, you have to pray hard to your god that China sits around doing nothing all this time.
What can you do about it? Nothing.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by puri


The US, UK, GB and Germany and practically almost all nations recognize that there is only one China and Taiwan is a inseperable part of China. Why would they intervene China's internal affairs. It's also in the UN Chater. Another crusade against "evil unbelievers of Christian god" or communist?

Most Chinese don't care being labeled a communists (actually I am not a ChinCom), that won't make them feel any inferior or incomplete. And they don't mind living peace with the cruisaders. But if they insist that Chniese are an obstacle to their cause, the Chinese will oblige.

More than one century ago, allied western forces did bring Chinese to their knees. Trust me on this, that proved to be too big a lesson that no Chinese will ever dare to forget.

To accomplish your goal, you first need to pussuade your government to recognize Taiwan as a country and cut ties with China, then you need to make UN kick China out (at least from the security counsil), then you need to establish your own "slave labor industry" (a good solution to your unemployment problem!) in your country to push China's cheap products completely out of the markets, then conquer some of the middle-east countries and persuade Russia to stop suply energy to China, then find transportations to move millions of your troops into Taiwan, last and the most important, you have to pray hard to your god that China sits around doing nothing all this time.

Puri
-with an attitude



With respect I think we would get involved, I mean its a possible democratic country and if it did declare independance (dont think so) then we would help it.
The US has already helped it before...



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
To end this topic once and for all, China cannot invade Taiwan.

To invade Taiwan, they need transport ships or transport planes to transport troops and vehicles to Taiwan.
They don't have any transport ships and they don't have any transport planes.


hey do research.

china has a current capablilty to transport 10,000-30,000 with the PLANs transports. if we take into account the ships the PLAN can convert into armed ships the number of troops that can be transported goes up to 60,000.

china has the capblility to transport one airborne division to anywhere in china. not to mention chinas medium size helicopter fleet.

taiwans army has 290,000 troops in the army airforce and navy. in the first wave the PLA if they used there maximum amount of transports(if none got sunk) would land 70,000 troops on taiwan this force would be faced by about 50000-100,000 taiwanese troops. the next wave will bring in even larger force after the first wave establishes a beachhead



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:24 PM
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And they'd be met by 6,000,000 gun toting Taiwanese


It'd be a massacre!



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
And they'd be met by 6,000,000 gun toting Taiwanese


It'd be a massacre!


Since when did Taiwan adopt a People's War policy?

I think you got the countries mixed up here. We're talking China invading Taiwan, not vice versa.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by ulshadow
It's a misconception that Communism equals closed society with no foreign trade. The result of the second world war, the Cold war and bad governments just made it seem that way. Deng did somethings right by opening up the country and putting it back on track.

Time and Time again history shows communism don't work very well, don't belivied me? look at what happen the the soviet union.

Time and time again people forget that communism has never existed on the face of the Earth
What did exist was stalinism, mao-ze-dong thought, deng-xiao-pingism, totalitarianism, and some variations of socialism

Communism is defined as a classless society where no means of production is aimed at profit and no form of elitism exists. Such a society has never existed.

Those who are thinking about some evil totalitarian government that exploits and kills citizens are thinking about deviations of socialism such as stalinism, etc, not communism.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Taishyou
Those who are thinking about some evil totalitarian government that exploits and kills citizens are thinking about deviations of socialism such as stalinism, etc, not communism.


Totalitarianism, as well as communism and socialiasm also has never existed on the face of the planet. There has never been a government in recorded history that has controlled ALL aspects of people's lives. The Soviet Union didn't do that, Nazi Germany didn't do that, China is an authoritarian government.

I wish people would stop just throwing out terms. They take on an incorrect meaning.



posted on Aug, 6 2005 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Totalitarianism, as well as communism and socialiasm also has never existed on the face of the planet.


In the scientific society applied definition of such, you are correct.
As for socialism, try the 1871 Paris Commune and the 1917 Russian Revolution.





seekerof

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 12:35 AM
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A former top security official has come out the proverbial closet.


In his first public appearance, Han Guangsheng , a former prison and labor camp supervisor in northeastern China, told an audience of about 100 that he saw political prisoners being subjected to electric shocks and beaten by members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

"Its hands are soaked with people's blood," the lanky, bespectacled 52-year-old said through an interpreter

"When you wake up from the nightmare and discover what you had worshipped is actually a demon, and all it has made you do is go against your conscience, the feelings of being cheated and fooled are a mixture of the deepest anger, regret and grief," he told the University of Toronto conference on China as two rows of security officers kept watch.
"To the members of the CCP who still have a sense of justice, if you want to save yourself, you must take the path of being reborn and make a new start," he said


He also said chinese posing as journalist secretly open private letters and are spying for china and that they post on the internet to influence public opinion under the guise of being private citizens.

www.taipeitimes.com...












[edit on 8/7/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Aug, 7 2005 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
not that kind of sharing. standard of living kind of sharing

We are doing this kind of sharing, look at all those boot-leg movies coming out of asia or the place where you can get the happy meal, it's all over the world


well america is doing the things you say china is going to do. attacks a soverign country for the oil.

Like i say all countries will do the same if they are powerful enough. every country will take a chance at conquering the world but all of them will fail, Mongolia came close to doing it. nazi germany fail, really bad, britian didn't last very long, and japan have a good try. see every country will attemp to conquer the world at least once... if they are powerful enough.

i bet america already has plans drawn up for nuking the whole world.
so does every other country that have nukes.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
in the first wave the PLA if they used there maximum amount of transports(if none got sunk) would land 70,000 troops on taiwan this force would be faced by about 50000-100,000 taiwanese troops. the next wave will bring in even larger force after the first wave establishes a beachhead

Before you could land on Taiwan, you would have to deal with the Western airforces (if you want to come via the air way) or the Western airforces and navies (if you want to come via the sea way).



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by AtheiX
Before you could land on Taiwan, you would have to deal with the Western airforces (if you want to come via the air way) or the Western airforces and navies (if you want to come via the sea way).

Interesting to see the US airforce cross the atlantic before the chinese hit the beaches....



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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China will be able to land the first wave on taiwan, but the second wave will be intercept by US Carrier Battle Groups. I think taiwan will have enough troop strengh to defeat the first wave but taiwan's army will be damage in the fight aginist teh first wave. and i don't think 70 thousand troops will all get to shore. i will say about 5000-10000 of the 70000 might die before getting to shore.



posted on Aug, 8 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by ulshadow
China will be able to land the first wave on taiwan, but the second wave will be intercept by US Carrier Battle Groups. I think taiwan will have enough troop strengh to defeat the first wave but taiwan's army will be damage in the fight aginist teh first wave. and i don't think 70 thousand troops will all get to shore. i will say about 5000-10000 of the 70000 might die before getting to shore.

That all depends if and when the carriers set sail...



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