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Triple Connected Conspiracy Theory. Inca Planes, Flight 19, and Philadelphia Experiment

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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 02:05 AM

During my investigations and recent interest in the Inca Planes and Ancient Astronaut Theory (here-in to be referred to as AAT), I was able to watch a few documentaries regarding the infamous Nicola Tesla, Albert Einstein and the well-argued Philadelphia Experiment. Then, like a bat out of hell, it struck my mind in the oddest way, that perhaps there was some relation between the Inca Planes, Flight 19, and the Philadelphia Experiment. Like an usual relation-based theory, I began collecting time stamps and created a table to correlate the events.

July 22, 1943 - Philadelphia Experiment - Attempt 1 - is made and the U.S. Research team, is almost capable of rendering a US warship invisible. No loss of life and the attempt is listed as a failure.

October 28, 1943 - Philadelphia Experiment - Attempt 2 - is made and according to alleged eye-witness testimony, something horrible goes wrong. The ship successfully becomes invisible after being engulfed in a blue light, and according to conspiracy theory, is actually teleported down south 200 miles away and appears in Norfolk, Virginia. It is said that the Eldridge allegedly sat for some time in full view of men aboard the ship SS Andrew Furuseth (a merchant vessel). When it came back, well all hell broke loose. (Read Below for more detail).

December 5, 1945 - Flight 19 disappears over the Bermuda Triangle, with no radio contact, and no planes ever found. All 5 planes are considered destroyed according to record, taking the assumption that the planes eventually ran out of fuel and the crew ditched out somewhere over the Atlantic. Though none of that report has any proof, it is the story simply explained when any official government body is asked.

XXXX XXXX, 1954 - Inca planes are discovered by Columbia on an expedition and sent to the U.S. for observation and study. The small artifacts are as viewed as possibly flying models and much later on, large scale replicas are built and prove the functionality of flight, or at least gliding.

What exactly is the Philadelphia Experiment?

The Philadelphia Experiment is the name given to a naval military experiment which was supposedly carried out at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, sometime around October 28, 1943. It is alleged that the U.S. Navy destroyer escort USS Eldridge was to be rendered invisible (or "cloaked") to enemy devices. The experiment is also referred to as Project Rainbow.

The capability that was desired was apparently based off of an aspect of the Unified Field Theory that Albert Einstein was responsible for. The science behind it was basically equipping a ship with generator equipment responsible for bending light around the ship until it became invisible.

Now according to documentaries, many of the members who were lost on the second experiment on October 28, 1943, were listed as casualties of war, lost at sea, and forgotten. Well an eye witness who initially went by the name "Carlos Allende" or "Carl Allen" said that this was absolutely false. According to his testimonial, when the ship returned, as he witnessed from the SS Furuseth, he claimed to have seen a sight of horror. Members of the crew were apparently fused to bulkheads, some between the lower and top decks. One sailor apparently had his hand fused to the railing of the ship and was said to have been on the lower deck of the ship when the Eldridge disappeared and was discovered on the top deck when it reappeared. It was also said that the ship apparently traveled back in time for about 10 seconds.

Now there's a lot of contradiction to the story given by Allende due to the fact that in 1980, it was assumed that Carlos Allende was actually Carl Meredith Allen of New Kensington, Pennsylvania, who had an established history of psychiatric illness, and who may have fabricated the primary history of the experiment as a result of his mental illness. Some sources indicate that Allen was a known prankster, and that the "Philadelphia Experiment" story may have been an elaborate hoax.

There are also Time consistencies within the testimonial of Allende such as reports that showed not commissioned until August 27, of 1943 and it remained in the port of NYC until September of 1943. Now the Office of Naval Research (ONR) completely denies ever having the Eldridge in any kind of test regarding invisibility, be it related to radar or the physical nature and gave the old spiel about how that the idea of physical invisibility contradicted Physics. Typical governmental denial.
There are more alternate theories on what really happened, but that's up to the reader to believe and I invite any one of you to investigate and pull that fish out of the water.

Finally, after the horrible incident on October 28, 1943, the US Navy ceased all activity on Project Rainbow and apparently kept the equipment, wiped out and falsified what really happened via fake documents and untrue death certificates. Those who survived were supposedly sent to mental institutions due to nauseating headaches, and mental issues caused by the experiment... but they disappeared too. Wet Work

It is said that anyone left over at the point who wasn't "Top Dog" was brainwashed and doesn't remember the event at all.

What exactly was Flight 19?

Flight 19 was a group of 5 airplanes that were made up of TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that that disappeared on December 5th, 1945 during a US Navy-Authorized overwater navigation training flight from NAS Fort Lauderdale, Florida. There isn't much to this story because it was never meant to be an epic event. Numerous other groups were apparently designated with the same exact operation Flight 19 was responsible for.
According to logs, Flight 19 left NAS Ft. Lauderdale at approximately 14:10 and began its journey towards becoming one of the most well known Bermuda Triangle disappearances in history. At 15:45 the flight tower got word from the flight leader, but he sounds confused and worried, disoriented even. He claims that he "Cannot see land" and informs the tower that he and his crew appear to be completely off course. When the tower asks what their position was, the flight leader replies that he couldn't be sure and that repeated that he still couldn't see land.

After some radio silence, according to reports 10 minutes worth, the tower regains contact with the flight crew but not the flight leader. Instead they receive radio contact from many of the flight crew members stating that they couldn't find West and that "Everything is wrong. We can't be sure of any direction. Everything looks strange, even the ocean".

Later contact suggested that the crew members believed they were about 225 miles Northeast of base but they couldn't really be sure. After random mumbling and incoherent voices, the last words that were heard were "It looks like we are entering white water ... We're completely lost."

Later a PMB (aka Flying Mariner Boat), is sent out to go see if it can find Flight 19 but 10 minutes after takeoff, the PBM checks in with the tower and is never heard of again.

According to reports, these planes were searched for, for almost 5 days, combing over 250,000 square miles of the Atlantic Ocean without a single trace of the planes ever being found. Some theorized later that the PBM exploded in mid-air but even then, one has to wonder what would cause the PBM to explode and not leave a trace? Something like that would have to be vaporized or simply hijacked.
You can read the entire story at:

Enter the Inca Airplanes!

Now let's fast-forward to 1954 where in this decade, the Inca Planes are discovered and shipped to the U.S. by the Columbian Government. Being dated to be approximately 1,000 years old, we are presented with 5 small golden artifacts that by all means have similar features to, not a super advanced craft, but modern airplanes at the time.

The question comes to the minds of many. How? Why?
Could they possibly be proof of ancient astronauts?
Answer: Not necessarily as the idea of ancient astronauts is left purely to the imagination of modern day archeologist and theorist. Sadly, today's society does not actually take pictures into account as proof, unless of course they are formed in hieroglyphics and correlate to an alphabet.

Well could the objects be identical or perhaps portray an animal instead of an airplane?
Answer: While we'd like it to be that simple, we can't really identify them as a particular animal due to the tail fin on the back. It's an upright tail fin seen on any modern day jet liner but not seen on any particular species of bird. It could be an underwater-related species but then again, we can't exactly align proper body frames with any particular species of marine life. The closest thing are a few sharks , whales, and fish but then these small artifacts have 2 sets of side wings.

If these artifacts were ritualistic, and the Inca referred to them as gods from the skies, could they have simply incorrectly deemed an extra-terrestrial, animal, or ancient astronaut as a god?
Answer: I imagine that anything that was as unique plane 1000 years ago, was considered to be godly or at least out of this world. Though, I'm quite sure they would have been able to distinguish a bird from a metal god flying through the skies.

And if that's the case, where did these gods come from, and why don't we see them today?
Answer: Maybe we do... maybe what they saw as gods, we see as an old airplane from the 40's and 50's.

Enter the Saqqara Glider!

Carbon-dated to be from 200 B.C., the Saqqara Glider was discovered (apparently after being forgotten somewhere along the late 1800's). It was made of Sycamore and has the capability of flight. Thought of as an ancient toy, there have been several more discoveries of these over the years and according to hieroglyphics, gives credence to Egyptians for understanding the science of flight.
But where could this idea have originated from back then? One could assume a knowledgeable scholar of the time simply wanted to mimic the motions and framework of a bird. Or... what if he saw what could've been another airplane? One can only wonder. Every idea needs a motivation, so what motivated the Egyptians to create... a glider.

Tying it all together from A to Z.

Given the short time between the Philadelphia Experiment and the disappearance of Flight 19, it is my theory that what actually occurred during Flight 19 was a secret test of the same technology used on the USS Eldridge. Believing the testimonials of a man only assumed crazy close to 30 years after the supposed event, it's easy to believe that the man was shamed publically to show that the Government really wanted any witnesses gone or silenced.

It is noted that Albert Einstein apparently completed the theory of unified fields but was compelled to not officially release it, keeping it secret because he believed that man was not prepared to hold such power. It is also rumored that Nicola Tesla created his own theory of unified fields but, it also was never officially published. Given the events that occurred during the Philadelphia Experiment (Time travel, Molecular Fusion, Invisibility, and even Teleportation), it is easy to acknowledge that these two men came upon something that was really too far ahead of it's time.

If Flight 19 was actually testing the technology that the government seized after the failures in 1943, it is quite possible that once again, they were tampering with unperfected technology, and were burdened to deal with the consequences. Granted with no wreckage, it was easy for the officials to simply state "I don't know what happened to them". No mess. No fuss.

However Flight 19, according to my theory was probably blown completely out of its limits when it entered the Bermuda Triangle, an area known in both legend and testimonial to completely ignore the natural physiological rules of the world. This combined with unstable technology capable of invisibility, teleportation, and time travel, could have simply transported these men 1,000 years back, being amplified by the electromagnetic field of the triangle, placing them over South America over the shore of the Inca civilization. There were only ever 5 artifacts, and 5 planes. If you look above, you can see major similarities between the two. Everything from the matching tail to double wings, and even a cockpit. Now given these planes were obviously gone for a longer period of time, this could have caused an unstable transfer of matter causing, different sizes of the planes or crew members fused to the plane.

Some of you might be asking, well why don't the artifacts have propellers. Great question and one I thought of myself. If the propeller was still on when it was transported, there's a good chance, viewers from below didn't see a propeller at the rotation speed they were moving. This could also explain why the crew members saw nothing but ocean on their attempted return to base. They were probably flying right over the Pacific Ocean. I'm willing to bet no one's ever put these theories together but it's worth a shot searching those waters for wreckage, if it's not already buried under the sea floor.

Another question I asked was... well where did the sixth plane go, that disappeared? The PBM! Then I thought, if this thing managed to fly into the left over field of what Flight 19 experienced, there's a good chance it also could have transported mistakenly. The only glider that matches the same hull structure of the plane is the Saqqara Glider, granted the tail is different, but if this plane managed to fly back to 200 B.C. and land in the desert, perhaps the tail wasn't even remaining and the Egyptians had to figure that part out on their own.

I know this might be pushing the limits between fantasy and some sci-fi theory, but it makes sense if you chronologically attatch the events together. I plan on continuing my research on these subjects and this is the first real research theory I've ever posted so please be polite if you're adding any critiques or different opinions.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:06 AM
Good read and definately food for thought. Perhaps the planes landed and they lived like gods.


posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:22 AM
I absolutely LOVE this theory and wish I'd thought of it...

Now we know where to look for wreckage!

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:28 AM
I have often wondered about those artifacts and AAT. why have "UFO's" changed from "planes" to disks etc.

My theory was that the "god's/aliens" evolved here on earth, underwater, and we have been witnessing the evolution of their technology!!

Great theory!! Keep up the good work!

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:30 AM
Excellent theory...

The Philadelphia and Montauk experiments are some of my faves to read about.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 05:48 AM
reply to post by Shikamaru

Carbon-dated to be from 200 B.C., the Saqqara Glider was discovered (apparently after being forgotten somewhere along the late 1800's). It was made of Sycamore and has the capability of flight. Thought of as an ancient toy, there have been several more discoveries of these over the years and according to hieroglyphics, gives credence to Egyptians for understanding the science of flight.

What you are saying is blasphemy and I hope you know that you are going to go to hell for your outlandish remarks.

I decided to have a little time away from this site and just collect my thoughts as it appeared more and more idiots were coming here to spread their one liners, however, I have returned. and I very pleased to read your thread, Of course if you research the brains behind the philidelphia experiment you will see some of those names repeated in historical testing events.

The fact that we hu-mans think that we have just invented this new kind of technology is a complete joke. If only we could look at ourselves 200 years in to the future and then look back at us now. How we would see what chaos we brought to the world with every advancement we made based on self assurance and greed. Would we change our ways ? No...Evolution Fate whatever you call it will always take us along the same path until such time we acknowledge that we are indeed on a path.

It is my understanding and belief that we have trodden the same path for many many many years planes trains and automobiles you name it we have done it, we live,we breed, we destroy,we are destroyed and so on and so on.

What fascinates me about the Inca planes is that they are so perfectly balanced and created in such an intricate way. Perhaps there were more to them than just paper weights.

What fascinates me about the Bermuda Triangle is that back in the 80's there was a massive push to prove that it was fake and that there was nothing mysterious happening around that area. Of course looking closer we can see that there most certainly is.

Time will tell whether or not these ancient secrets are disclosed. Of course if they are then the world might never be the same again. I mean planes existing in the years BC, Flying saucers, Gods procreating with Hu-mans, STARGATES to take us to various different parts of the galaxy....whatever next

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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 06:54 AM
Totally AWESOME theory!! s&f s&f

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 06:54 AM
Totally AWESOME theory!! s&f s&f

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 07:56 AM
It's nice to see a researched and thought out thread on here
kudos to you!

I always love the AAT and The Philadelphia Experiment is just fascinating. It's funny how some will stay say it's rubbish yet there is so much out there to prove it isn't. As for the Bermuda Triangle, interesting place. Also isn't there a place just like it near Japan that is supposedly suppose to be more mysterious? If I remember correctly it's directly on the opposite side of the Bermuda Triangle.

Ok found it, Dragon's Triangle


posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 09:21 AM
reply to post by Shikamaru

Great read and a fascinating topic subject, I have to admit I had not thought of Flight 19 being a part of the Project Rainbow Time Travel Experiments, but it makes perfect sense.
I do know what the ones running this show did a lot of things that should not have been done, and in the process, they opened some doors that should have remained closed. Our present time line has been manipulated and we cannot even tell that it has.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:10 AM
nice to see threads like this. i think the saqqara glider looks more like an interpretation of a bird. but the inca gliders with their delta wings, i always wondered where the inspiration for those could've come from.
I'm not buying this theory but is good food for thought.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 12:20 PM
I really appreciate all your insight and opinions ladies and gentlemen.

I enjoy that people can understand my thinking, even if they don't agree with it. I know my brain is a little space with a lot of mess haha, but I was always told that some of the brightest people in this world were messy themselves so I guess I aspire to stay the way I am.

As I said, I'll continue to research more on the topic, but seeing all of you enjoy the thread, really motivates me to find out as much as I can!

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 05:45 PM
Additional Information Regarding Locational Exits

I began to ask myself what was responsible for the locations where I theorized these planes went, and thanks to an earlier poster (mblahnikluver), I was introduced to the Vile Vortices! I've placed insert from a website that gives a general explanation of these locations:

Explaining the Vile Vortices
By definition, the Vile Vortices would be miserable whirlers but actually they are twelve vertex points of a planetary grid (see Figure 1) originally plotted by Ivan T. Sanderson, a naturalist and paranormal investigator. Sanderson first coined the term, “Vile Vortices”1 in his article “The Twelve Devil’s Graveyards Around the World” (Saga magazine, 1972).

The best-known Vile Vortices are the Bermuda Triangle, the Dragon’s Triangle (Devil's Sea), and the South Atlantic Anomaly. However, each of these twelve geographic areas is credited with instances of magnetic anomalies and other unexplained phenomena.


Now looking at this map, you'll notice a similarity with my theory and Mr. Sanderson's points.

At point 18, is the Bermuda Triangle.
At point 20, is the Algerian Megalithic Ruins
At point 47, Easter Island Colossi

Now are you ready to get your mind blown?

Point 18 is the Bermuda Triangle. Now that distance is just over about 1,000 miles long streaming to each point on the triangle. Now Mr. Sanderson believed there were many of these points, in which he marks on the map above were all connected via a planetary pattern grid. They all were responsible for heavy anomolies in electromagnetism and weather patterns. He claims they are the reason so many airplanes and ships end up missing. A bunch of "Bermuda Triangles" if you wish to call them that.

Now I'm going to show you a map from Point 47 to the Eastern Coast of South America where the Inca civilization was believed to have lived.

If you plot 1000 miles from Point A listed on the map, in any direction, you get the possible point at which Flight 19 could have exited their transition. Now the TBM Avengers developed at the time were only capable of a max distance of approximately 1000+ miles or 950+ Nautical Miles, according to:

If Flight 19 Exited at the east foremost area of the energy field, then they could've atleast made it to the coast of South America, at this point extremely low on fuel (or gliding to an uncertain death). Thus, they would either make it to land or atleast have time to be viewed by some ancient spectators on the ground.

Now for point 20, This also matches the theology behind my thinking. It plots what would be the PBM that went after Flight 19 right over Northern Africa where, it could have easily crashed in Egypt, or flown into a deadly sand storm.

I believe these points act as a highway when using the technology behind the Philadelphia Experiment. And without a field to attatch itself to, like being in a shipping harbor in Pennsylvania where no electromagnetic field lies, the USS Eldridge was incapable of completing a full permanent teleportation to any paticular point, because there was no field in Norfolk Virgina's port to hold the ship once it appeared.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 08:43 PM
Great post! Well put together. Well thought out. S&F. I've not seen these tied together like this before. I would like to see you get some traffic on this one. It would be an interesting discussion.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 09:44 PM
reply to post by Klassified

As would I friend, but I don't think many people are in for the long-read.

At least I know few people got to read it and enjoyed it.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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Oh, c'mon! No one knows why the Incas built those objects. Perhaps they were trying to replicate birds, even with the unusual vertical tail. Flight 19 disappeared because orders were not obeyed and the lead pilot was known as a rogue pilot. The Philadelphia "Experiment" has no basis in fact.

Sounds like a major case of gullibility on your part. And not even basic research.

posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 11:45 PM
reply to post by The Shrike

Quite unsporting of you to come in and accuse me of being guilable, then provide no basis for your own perspective. All while being completely rude. Impressive.

Second, I'd like to reiterate that this thread is supporting a theory. While I am open to different opinions, I am against those with no sources to back up their ideology.


posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 12:14 AM
The Philadelphia Experiment is an exposed hoax.

Flight 19 crashed in the North Atlantic because the new to the area flight instructor mistook the Bahamas for the Keys. His course back to Ft. Lauderdale from the Keys took the flight out over the Atlantic where they ran out of fuel. Why he thought flying east 100 miles would put him over the Keys remains a mystery. It is known he tried to get out of the flight without giving a reason. Radio traffic showed some of the other pilots in the flight knew where they were and where they were headed but flew to their death rather than disobey orders. There were several radio fixes achieved as the flight flew out into the ocean. The last one had them east of Vero Beach, some 200 miles north of Ft. Lauderdale.

The Incan artifacts could be models of birds or insects or purely fictional. The fact is they don't fly, at all. If you make the design larger and out of some much lighter material and tweak the design a little you can make something that will glide, but that's not what the Incans did is it?

posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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Charles Carroll Taylor, Lieutenant (A1), U.S. Naval Reserve, File No. 114685, was the authorized pilot who signed for and accepted for flight TBM-3, Bullo, for Flight 19 on the afternoon of 5 December 1945.

Charles Carroll Taylor, Lieutenant (A1), U.S. Naval Reserve, File No. 114685; Edward Joseph Powers, Jr., Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, File No. 09789; George William Stivers, Captain, U.S. Marine Corps, File No. 010959; Forrest James Gerber, Second Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, File No. 047223; Joseph Tipton Bossi, Ensign (A1)L, U.S. Naval Reserve, File No. 470677, were qualified naval aviators on 5 December 1945.

Charles Carroll Taylor, Lieutenant (A1), U.S. Naval Reserve, File No. 114685; was the authorized and assigned instructor in charge of Flight 19 which departed from the U.S. Naval Air Station, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, at 1410R on 5 December 1945.

But Most Important Of All in my opinion.

Charles Carroll Taylor, Lieutenant (A1), U.S. Naval Reserve, File No. 114685; was a naval aviator whose flight log indicates a total of 2509.3 hours flying time, and his officers qualification jacket indicates that he served approximately one year with VS-62 as a scout pilot based at Key West, Florida, and had completed a recent combat tour as carrier-based torpedo plane pilot attached to the USS Hancock.


Perhaps you'd like to explain how this man was a "rogue pilot" as you so casually accused his credentiality. Perhaps you'd like to explain why they a government body would trust a "Rogue Pilot" to fly anywhere near 2509.3 hours worth.
And what I'd really like, is for you to explain why this "rogue pilot" would be trusted with the life of his fellow crew in a training excercise, if he was indeed a "rogue pilot".

Now that I've brought some background to the table on my side, how about you find me an article, a link, and official source telling me that he was a so-called "rogue pilot" who managed to achieve Lieutenant and serve as a Flight Lead on numerous occassions?
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posted on Dec, 1 2010 @ 12:21 AM
Read this and tell me Flight 19's disappearance is a mystery:

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