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Leaving America As The “Most Effective” Way To Fight The Battle With “The Mob-Installed Govern

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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Tell me mnemeh1, is there just an automatic response that whenever a socialist posts anything you have to immediately jump into corporate apologist mode?

Your response to my post was a textbook example of the informal logical fallacy of the straw man argument. You have failed to negate the thesis of my argument and lowered the discourse. Well done mate!

I do still wish you luck though in your quest for an Anarcho-Libertarian utopia. So long as nobody gets hurt making it, and it does not result in war, build your nation! Examples speak far louder than words, and as of right now there is no example of the world you want to live in to hold up against the examples that I could show for for the one I want to. So I am hoping you get your country, really I am.




posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


Tell me mnemeh1, is there just an automatic response that whenever a socialist posts anything you have to immediately jump into corporate apologist mode?

Your response to my post was a textbook example of the informal logical fallacy of the straw man argument. You have failed to negate the thesis of my argument and lowered the discourse. Well done mate!

I do still wish you luck though in your quest for an Anarcho-Libertarian utopia. So long as nobody gets hurt making it, and it does not result in war, build your nation! Examples speak far louder than words, and as of right now there is no example of the world you want to live in to hold up against the examples that I could show for for the one I want to. So I am hoping you get your country, really I am.


You tried to use a book written by a socialist that is nothing but a bunch of lies to make your point.

YOU are the corporate apologist.

YOU are refusing to acknowledge that the meat packing industry lobbied heavily for the regulations to drive their smaller competitors out of the market.


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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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Come on galtian-dudes, you have your answer already...

seasteading.org...

Donate the few measly dollars you have after being 'violently' taxed and make this happen!

I'm really looking forward to it - should be good fun.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


Tell me mnemeh1, is there just an automatic response that whenever a socialist posts anything you have to immediately jump into corporate apologist mode?

Your response to my post was a textbook example of the informal logical fallacy of the straw man argument. You have failed to negate the thesis of my argument and lowered the discourse. Well done mate!

I do still wish you luck though in your quest for an Anarcho-Libertarian utopia. So long as nobody gets hurt making it, and it does not result in war, build your nation! Examples speak far louder than words, and as of right now there is no example of the world you want to live in to hold up against the examples that I could show for for the one I want to. So I am hoping you get your country, really I am.


You tried to use a book written by a socialist that is nothing but a bunch of lies to make your point.

YOU are the corporate apologist.

YOU are refusing to acknowledge that the meat packing industry lobbied heavily for the regulations to drive their smaller competitors out of the market.


edit on 30-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)


You really are not getting my point at all here are you?

My point is that the work of Upton Sinclair is part (and a relatively small one at that) of why the American people voted and demonstrated for government constraints to be put on business, that is all I was saying with that at all.

Did the lack of oversight on business in the 19th Century lower the quality of life for the majority of people over what it could have been? Absolutely. We in Europe are still very wary of corporatism because of that, as are many in the United States. That was the overarching point, an explanation of why Europe and America are not fully accepting of Anarcho-Libertarianism.

My main point though, the one I want to stress above all others is that you should make this country you want to. I think it will be the best test of your political and economic views against mine. Talk is cheap, and you seem to always fall back upon it when called to action by others.

I've got several Socialist nations I'd love to compare to a real Anarcho-Libertarian one but I can't because there isn't one yet.

Let's do this, and may history declare the winner!



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Anttyk47

Originally posted by jrod
I can't leave the US legally or else I would be in violation of probation. The system has me by my nuts right now and all I can do is be a good sheep or go to jail. I am also suppose to work full time but I can't work outside the state of Florida or take a job on a boat, lost my security clearance so I can exactly work on avionics anywhere. I do believe the US has become a police state.


I'm sure leaving out the reason you are on probation will make people not agree with you.
I'm sure you did something that deserves punishment



How are you sure he did something that deserves punishment? What if he had marijuana? Does that DESERVE punishment? Of course not...

That said, I wouldn't let some petty misdemeanor nanny state law keep me from living my life the way I want.

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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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"The people" supported cartelizing agriculture because they were duped into it by lies and deceit. - Government lies and deceit.

As with all government regulations, they never act to benefit the people, they always act to benefit the existing big market players.

Take our criminal healthcare bill - over two thousand of pages of legalize.

Do you think Nancy Pelosi wrote that bill?

Do you think Barney Frank wrote that bill?

Who do you think wrote that bible of regulations?

Do you think our glorious leaders in DC had "the people's" best interest in mind when they put their names on that bit of industry written garbage?


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posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Can't self medicate without fear of going to jail either. Like I said, the state has me by my balls right now, it sucks but things will get better.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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Sure. Force a 'brain drain'. Smart.

But... Go where? Most countries that can maintain a standard of living that the educated would require are just as likely to profit from 'debt and taxes'. Same system.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by redhorse
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Sure. Force a 'brain drain'. Smart.

But... Go where? Most countries that can maintain a standard of living that the educated would require are just as likely to profit from 'debt and taxes'. Same system.


Jim Rodgers believes Singapore is a good destination and has already moved his family there.

Other economists say New Zealand is worthy of consideration.

I personally think any of the Asian countries that have strong property rights in place will do well in the future. Rodgers thinks China will move further towards capitalism as its citizens realize the benefits of freedom.



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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well first you need a global community that has seceded from all government influence. somewhere on the planet that has a neutral attitude, that shares amongst itself, that doesn't rely on outsourcing, that answers to noone but its self. the best concepts Ive seen is large luxury liners that constantly stay on the move in places most shipping never frequents, with bases of operation unclaimed by any country.

theres no law that prohibits the creation of islands anywhere in open ocean outside their territorial markers. you just need to find a nice comfy spot in a shallow hospitable part of the ocean, then start dumping landfill until you reach your desired engineering goal. build your community and tell the rest of the world to mind their own business.

you can name it atlantis



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
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"The people" supported cartelizing agriculture because they were duped into it by lies and deceit. - Government lies and deceit.

As with all government regulations, they never act to benefit the people, they always act to benefit the existing big market players.

Take our criminal healthcare bill - over two thousand of pages of legalize.

Do you think Nancy Pelosi wrote that bill?

Do you think Barney Frank wrote that bill?

Who do you think wrote that bible of regulations?

Do you think our glorious leaders in DC had "the people's" best interest in mind when they put their names on that bit of industry written garbage?


edit on 30-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)


I'm not arguing with you about this. We've been through this all before and it is just so very boring to do it all over again. We had some good ones before, but there's nothing new in your goading today.

In the end man, I disagree completely with you and you disagree completely with me, which is why I am actually excited for a chance to see our opposite views actually put to the test. May the best country win!



posted on Nov, 30 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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Not only america has a heavily mob controlled government. Does anyone know what continent is the least mob controlled?




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