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Originally posted by lostviking
reply to post by CookieMonster09
Dear CookieMonster,
I too am against the 'entitlement mentality' that is rampant in this country. However, when banks break laws they should be punished accordingly. When people, like me, suffer a setback, and attempt to make it right.....the big banks are so incompetent, and so corrupt there is no justice. The TARP money that came from tax payers, never helped anyone it was set out to help.
TARP and the new QE2 are bailouts for companies that have dug themselves into the abyss. What is the first thing these big corporations do with the government assistance (0.04% interest loans)? Go out and buy more banks so that they can become larger, more bureaucratic and too big to fail. It is time to let capitalism prevail, and to allow mismanaged banks to become insolvent. While were at it, let's end the Fed. We can unwind this mess that has taken 80 years to become this unmanageable.
The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt
with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
charge.
"FEDERAL CHILDREN"
ARE WE 0WNED BY THE GOVERNMENT?
In 1921, the federal Sheppart-Towner Maternity Act created the birth "registration" or what we now know
as the "Birth Certificate". It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a
law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for
"other purposes". One of those other purposes provided for state agencies in overseeing of it's operations
and expenditures. What it really did was create a federal "birth registry' which exists today, creating
"FEDERAL CHILDREN" .
This government of "Parents Patriae”, now legislates for American children
as if they are owned by the federal government. Through the public school enrollment process and
continuing license requirements for most aspects of daily life, these children grow up to be adults
indoctrinated into those things necessary to carry our activities that exist in what is call a "free country”.
Before 1921, the records of births and names of children were entered into the family bibles, as were the
records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as
"official records”. Since 1921, the American people have been registering the births and names of their
children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law
requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth through the birth certificate serves proof
that he/she was born in the united States, thereby making him/her a United States Citizen. For the past
several years a social security number has been mandated by the federal government to be issued at birth.
The social security number is one of those "other purposes". It serves as a means of lifelong tracking of
the one whose name is on the birth certificate.
Originally posted by daddio
Originally posted by lostviking
reply to post by CookieMonster09
Dear CookieMonster,
I too am against the 'entitlement mentality' that is rampant in this country. However, when banks break laws they should be punished accordingly. When people, like me, suffer a setback, and attempt to make it right.....the big banks are so incompetent, and so corrupt there is no justice. The TARP money that came from tax payers, never helped anyone it was set out to help.
TARP and the new QE2 are bailouts for companies that have dug themselves into the abyss. What is the first thing these big corporations do with the government assistance (0.04% interest loans)? Go out and buy more banks so that they can become larger, more bureaucratic and too big to fail. It is time to let capitalism prevail, and to allow mismanaged banks to become insolvent. While were at it, let's end the Fed. We can unwind this mess that has taken 80 years to become this unmanageable.
That is all part of the scam. Is NO ONE paying attention here?www.save-a-patriot.org...
David Rockefeller is CEO of MOST of the corporations that GOT bailout money.....WHY DO THEY NEED TO BE BAILED OUT? And there IS no money!!!!!
The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt
with a debt. What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
charge.
When will people wake up?
"FEDERAL CHILDREN"
ARE WE 0WNED BY THE GOVERNMENT?
In 1921, the federal Sheppart-Towner Maternity Act created the birth "registration" or what we now know
as the "Birth Certificate". It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a
law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for
"other purposes". One of those other purposes provided for state agencies in overseeing of it's operations
and expenditures. What it really did was create a federal "birth registry' which exists today, creating
"FEDERAL CHILDREN" .
This government of "Parents Patriae”, now legislates for American children
as if they are owned by the federal government. Through the public school enrollment process and
continuing license requirements for most aspects of daily life, these children grow up to be adults
indoctrinated into those things necessary to carry our activities that exist in what is call a "free country”.
Before 1921, the records of births and names of children were entered into the family bibles, as were the
records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as
"official records”. Since 1921, the American people have been registering the births and names of their
children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law
requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth through the birth certificate serves proof
that he/she was born in the united States, thereby making him/her a United States Citizen. For the past
several years a social security number has been mandated by the federal government to be issued at birth.
The social security number is one of those "other purposes". It serves as a means of lifelong tracking of
the one whose name is on the birth certificate.
loveforlife.com.au...
READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take the damn time to READ IT!! Come on people, let's put a stop to this insanity for good!!
I have done this as have millions of others, the Elite are very afraid of everyone doing this. DO IT!! It's very simple if you use an open mind and can comprehend or phathom what has taken place. Please take the time and read the book and share it with everyone.edit on 3-12-2010 by daddio because: spelling
Originally posted by Volcanogrills
I, for one, am tired of the FIAT money system. I believe, although it would cause a depression for a while, that we ought to go back onto the gold standard. I also believe that the mortgage "Crisis" and everyother "crisis" is based on greed.. Money that seems to always come from the "middle class"
Originally posted by nightbringr
The second is that fact that you solicited as you say many lawyers because they turned you down. Laywers are notoriously greedy and tend to take anything they believe they can win. Perhaps there is a reason they turned you away.
Be honest, were ALL you payments made on time?
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
reply to post by lostviking
Sorry to hear about your misfortune, Lost Viking. However, for every honest person that falls behind on their mortgage for a legitimate reason -- such as a medical condition, or a temporary job loss, etc. - there are hundreds of crooked borrowers, builders, and mortgage brokers that were deliberately manipulating the banking system for fraudulent purposes.
Mortgage fraud was rampant - The mortgage broker and borrower both sought to defraud banks by inflating the borrower's income on the loan application, doctoring credit reports, etc.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
And now everyone that does pay their mortgage on time pays the price in the form of decreased home values and a stale real estate market that won't correct itself in many, many years. Not to mention that these are the same borrowers that lied on their loan application. You'll get little sympathy from me - Sorry.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
Those that do pay their mortgage payment through these very tough economic times, and have suffered job losses and ill health and wage cuts, have strong character and honor their commitments. If they were ever to be unable to afford the house, they would do the honorable thing and turn in the keys and try to make honest amends with the bank to bring resolution to the matter. They wouldn't hide behind Mickey Mouse games, dishonest lawyers, and funny games. They wouldn't trash the bank's collateral - the house itself - like so many people do when they lose their homes.
Oh please, the person/institution/corporation lending money is ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE for losses incurred.
House values have always fluctated according to supply and demand.
WHAT AN ABOMINATION OF LIES!!! Fact of the matter is you CAN"T win ANY lawsuit against ANY bank because 99%(except declaring sovereignty, which in itself is nothing short of a bad joke) of the laws favor the banks and wall street firms. Its a crooked capitalist system for a crooked capitalist nation...........
90 percent, and we find that most of the frauds are not induced by the borrower, but they're overwhelmingly done by the loan brokers" Cookiemonster you a misinformed about the facts related to the mortgage mess. I suggest you read my thread in my signature...if you have the time. You may find it enlightening.