Skinned Alive.....so you can look nice and feel good in your new outfit!!

Originally posted by jontap
They should change the laws in China so that NOBODY can have a kid. They should BAN anyone from reproducing over there.

Everything made in China is a piece of JUNK. Made so poorly that a chimp would have done better in all reality. Now its very obvious that they have ZERO morals and ethics over there. How can ANYONE do something like that??? HOW?? How can their authorities and leadership allow such HORRIBLE treatment to living creatures. INNOCENT living creatures!!!

They deserve their poor work conditions, sweat shops, and the chemicals and toxins that industry is doing in polluting their land and drinking water. Good for NOTHING over there.

We should be waging war with them...

This is SICK. They are nothing but INCOMPETENT DEGENERATES in China!!!!

edit on 29-11-2010 by jontap because: (no reason given)

Are you xenophobic towards the Chinese people.

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So it is ok by you to kill people just because someone else's way of life is different to yours, but not animals for food or clothing.

What's that you won't club them with a lead pipe because you have more efficient, modern & humane ways of killing them.

You are a very sad individual. SMEG HEAD.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

But I’d like to point something out.

They should change the laws in China so that NOBODY can have a kid. They should BAN anyone from reproducing over there.

They deserve their poor work conditions, sweat shops, and the chemicals and toxins that industry is doing in polluting their land and drinking water. Good for NOTHING over there.

We should be waging war with them...

This is SICK. They are nothing but INCOMPETENT DEGENERATES in China!!!!

See what I mean?

yes I do...

I didn't mean to incite racial hatred.

some of the responses make me feel really sad.

reply to post by Thurisaz
I think you are being too hard on yourself. You did not incite racial hatred.

Some people are racists and will show it at any opportunity.

reply to post by Somehumanbeing


lol...no, she didnt. She said it took her a bit to realize what was going on bcuz neither of them were fluent in the others language. When she realized what had happened she was mortified and ran...poor girl. Id freak too. It still bothers her. Id still cry too, I think...

I won't watch the video. I have too many cats and dogs!

I won't buy any kind of Chinese fur for many years now. I'm trying to avoid ALL Chinese products for a variety of reasons (economics, quality, ethics). As should we all

reply to post by Thurisaz


Not "Skinned Alive"

If you were that size (small as a racoon) and something 20 times bigger than you smashed your skull with an iron bar bigger than your leg, full force... you would be dead instantly, you probably wouldn't even feel it, it'd be like "WHACK" Lights out.

ALL of that wiggling, and screeching and whatnot is nerves, they are dead don't you worry. Have you ever cut the head of a chicken? Don't let go, they are fully dead but you'll need to run after them.

Truth is, it's sick to see. Truth is, if it's not done out of necessity, it is cruel. But this is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to other things... and least they have the decency to smash their skulls before skinning them. If you know what they did to Dolphins, without even killing them, you'd think this is pretty humane.

Animals die needlessly all the time, don't loose your mind over it, there's nothing none of you can do about it.

Do you think these workers even look at them as animals? No they are trained (like a farmer) to look at it as product, they aren't heartless, they may even dislike their job, but someone needs to make money to put food on the table.

I think the way they are raised is far crueler than their death.


MP

reply to post by mindpurge



yes they were/are skinned alive!!!
Denial is an ugly thing!!
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bumping this cos of the Bear thread. What is worse is the amount of comments where people deny it happens.... or defend it!!

Originally posted by berenike
I won't pretend that I've watched the video, but for anyone who would like to sign a petition about this sort of thing, there is a link in my signature.

I don't know how much good it will do, and of course there are other forms of cruelty going on in the world, but it may help a bit.

thanks for the link... I didnt see this when you first posted it. I am going to add it to my sig too.

Awareness Campaign

www.animalsaviors.org...


OMG I just went and looked at the other site...

AND the reason they skin them alive is on the homepage of the animalsaviour.com
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We have No Alternative but to Campaign!

Persuade the Chinese Government to:

Prohibit the Brutal and Sadistic Practice in China of Skinning Animals
Alive for their Fur.
Ban the Export and Sale of Cat and Dog Fur and Products Wholly or Partly Manufactured With the Fur.
Ban the Use of Cat and Dog Fur in the Manufacture of Products and for Any Other Purpose Whatsoever.
Enforce the Law with Heavy Penalties.



Persuade Other Governments (where Cats, Dogs and Other Animals are Skinned Alive in their Countries) to Adopt Similar Laws.



Persuade All Other Governments to:

Ban the Import and Sale of Cat and Dog Fur and of Products Wholly or Partly Manufactured With the Fur.
Ban the Use of Cat and Dog Fur in the Manufacture of Products and for Any Other Purpose Whatsoever.



Create Awareness Everywhere of:

The Horrors of the Chinese Fur Trade.
The Dangers of Buying Fur Products Whether Made in China or Elsewhere.
The Immediate Need to Stop Buying Fur of Any Nature.

How Will We Achieve Our Aims?

With Your Help and the Animal Saviors Awareness Campaign!

we should focus on human rights. before ever thinking about animal rights.

As long as a I look nice and feel good, it doesn't matter the torture that innocent animals went through to give me there stylish skin coat.

/sacarsm

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


a lot of people wont wear fur anymore...so China and some other countries mislabel the clothing and accessories...people think they are wearing fake fur but it is dog or cat fur....

they are deliberately deceiving people and if people are aware of what they are doing...they won't buy it so....if there is no demand then they will have to find another industry.

reply to post by badw0lf


A bit like lawyer's really!

and on the topic, I have also seen this and i cant watch it, brings tears to my eyes when i hear there squeeks!

also the bear bile one its horrid :-( makes me very sad indeed.

Originally posted by mindpurge
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

Not "Skinned Alive"

If you were that size (small as a racoon) and something 20 times bigger than you smashed your skull with an iron bar bigger than your leg, full force... you would be dead instantly, you probably wouldn't even feel it, it'd be like "WHACK" Lights out.

ALL of that wiggling, and screeching and whatnot is nerves, they are dead don't you worry. Have you ever cut the head of a chicken? Don't let go, they are fully dead but you'll need to run after them.

Truth is, it's sick to see. Truth is, if it's not done out of necessity, it is cruel. But this is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to other things... and least they have the decency to smash their skulls before skinning them. If you know what they did to Dolphins, without even killing them, you'd think this is pretty humane.

Animals die needlessly all the time, don't loose your mind over it, there's nothing none of you can do about it.

Do you think these workers even look at them as animals? No they are trained (like a farmer) to look at it as product, they aren't heartless, they may even dislike their job, but someone needs to make money to put food on the table.

I think the way they are raised is far crueler than their death.


MP

edit on 3-12-2010 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)

edit on 3-12-2010 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)

YES skinned ALIVE!!! did you watch the video? you see that animal at the end? you telling me looking at the camera and blinking is nerves!! its alive still..

ARGH I wasnt going to watch it, but I did! ARGH..
speachless...........

Okay, a medic here but that managed to turn my guts! just plain wrong

ETA: for those that are denying this, you really over estimate the power of Photoshop!!!

reply to post by StarTraveller


yeah... most of them come into the thread say it isn't real, abuse me and others for being shocked and upset by it then they go off and don't return....

Originally posted by mindpurge
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

Not "Skinned Alive"

If you were that size (small as a racoon) and something 20 times bigger than you smashed your skull with an iron bar bigger than your leg, full force... you would be dead instantly, you probably wouldn't even feel it, it'd be like "WHACK" Lights out.

ALL of that wiggling, and screeching and whatnot is nerves, they are dead don't you worry. Have you ever cut the head of a chicken? Don't let go, they are fully dead but you'll need to run after them.

Truth is, it's sick to see. Truth is, if it's not done out of necessity, it is cruel. But this is nothing, absolutely nothing compared to other things... and least they have the decency to smash their skulls before skinning them. If you know what they did to Dolphins, without even killing them, you'd think this is pretty humane.

Animals die needlessly all the time, don't loose your mind over it, there's nothing none of you can do about it.

Do you think these workers even look at them as animals? No they are trained (like a farmer) to look at it as product, they aren't heartless, they may even dislike their job, but someone needs to make money to put food on the table.

I think the way they are raised is far crueler than their death.


MP

edit on 3-12-2010 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)

edit on 3-12-2010 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. So you understand what is happening but you claim there is nothing that can be done about it? At some point something has to be done about it. It's no acceptable unless we are all destined to be nothing more than really intelligent AI without emotion.

Anyone who can do that to another live creature without remorse or empathy meets the definition of a psychopath in my book.

the biggest concern I have about this is the fact that people don't know about it. They think they are buying fake fur when it is labelled incorrectly.

If people know then there is no way they would support it and they would do something...consumer power is one way....

As for the those who carry out this kind of 'business'... I just don't know.

reply to post by Thurisaz


I think it's disgraceful if people are passing off these pelts as fakes. I guess the only way to avoid that would be to buy any fake fur products from the more better known and reputable high street retailers. They'd be more likely to know their sources, and wouldn't want the adverse publicity of having their fakes exposed as real.

But to see that kind of barbarity in this day and age doesn't just make me angry, it also saddens me greatly. I just cannot help but wonder what (if anything at all) actually goes on between these people's ears. If they can be that harsh to animals are they gonna be any or much better with people.

You often hear it said about the worst sadists, don't you, that they started by torturing animals...

It's not only in the fur trade over there that this sort of thing happens. Do a search on the cruelty in their culinary trade, too. I understand a lot of people over there are poor and have to feed themselves and their families, but still, you'd think that they'd at least put the poor creatures out of their misery first.

It all comes down to a lack of empathy and a lack of mercy, and these traits are very unhealthy, and cause a lot of Humanity's problems.

Originally posted by russ1969
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

 

Then why did you click on it? You read the title and still came to see. now you are complaining about it?


Anyhow, I think people need to Understand, China is not The united states. they have their issues and are trying to better themselves. these things take time. As far as the video goes, It's their way of life so deal with it. If you dont want to see it then tune out. If you feel like you need to go and tell the world how bad it is, Then so be it.

There isn't a person alive that hasn't killed something living within their lifetime. And everytime you step on a bug because it was in the way or annoyed you, Did you eat it? No. Probably not. Did you ever chop through dense woods to get to where you was going? Killing plant life along the way.

We as people should be worrying about how humans are treated and all the bad things that happen to them. You know, Not to long ago here in the good old united states, Seals where killed the same way. Clubbed to death. Very inhumane. But we have gotten better over the years.

If you live in china, then you have every right to speak your mind about the way these things are done. If you dont live there then who are you to say anything about it? Dont buy furs from china then. Buy them from the united states where these animals get shot in the head. Killing is killing no matter how you look at it.

And Peta is a joke in my eyes. these people will be violent towards humans to save an animal. That makes no sense at all. Just like the people saying they would go over there and club these people to death for doing these things, That makes a lot of sense dont it? And people wonder whats wrong with humans.

Do i think killing animals for fur or food is wrong? Not at all. Do i care how it is done. Not in the slightest. I have way to many other issues in life to care about how they do it. Problems like, How to feed my family and keep them warm. On that same note, Why would i want more synthetics in my life. That is a bigger issue to me. Living things become part of the earth. Synthetics do not. They are a hazard and killing us faster than you think.

So who is the real bad guy here?

Im not in the USA...this isnt Ogrish or any other sick website. That was my point. I dont have to watch a video to know that this goes on. And i didnt watch the video in the OP.

It would be like me hunting down some kiddy porn and posting it so you realized how disgusting it is. Sometimes words are more than enough to describe things.

I dont go round killing animals....i may have killed a few bugs in my lifetime but not 1 animal. I respect life far too much. If a spider comes in my house, i dont squash it, i take it outside and set it free.

Anyways, this was posted a while back and i thought id give a quick reply to your post