reply to post by smurfy
Are you now saying then, that while these cable leaks are genuine, (and so far nobody is denying them as being anything but genuine even if
they are a bit more than embarassing) and that any more leaks by Wiki might not be genuine, but planted info for Wiki to grab onto?
No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that this latest dump is all truth. In fact, I think that it very well could be disinformation and probably
is. Regardless of whether it is true or not, we have no way of knowing whether it's true and since none of it has been proven to be true, I'll just
discount all of it.
In fact, if I had to put money on it, I would say that much of it is disinformation, with some real information for credibility's sake. However that
is just my opinion and irrelevant to the point made in the OP.
What I am saying is that an organization such as WL, needs to be looked at with skepticism and suspicion,just like anything else, though more so due
to the nature of it's charter and the subject in which deals. I'm also saying that there is a very good chance that WL itself could very well be a
disinfo campaign, created by TPTB (whomever you believe them to be) and if they aren't, then the odds are even better that they will be used as a
disinfo outlet, where the disinfo is pumped through WL, completely unbeknownst to them.
I just couldn't see the government not seizing this oppurtunity to pump out disinformation through WL, if they aren't running the whole show to
begin with and to put it quite frankly, there would be nothing to stop the government from pumping out disinformation through WL, again, if of course
they aren't running it to begin with.
So, the chances are pretty high (in my opinion and according to my own observations) that WL is a disinformation campaign, run by TPTB and if it
isn't, then the chances are even higher that they would seize this oppurtunity to use it as a disinformation outlet. Either way, it is ripe for
It's important to note that it doesn't have to be all disinfo or all authentic and in fact, if you wanted to make it look authentic, they would be
wise to either sprinkle it with truth or sprinkle it with lies. In fact, it would be completely stupid of whoever, to make it all disinfo without any
It's also important to note that nothing so far has been discovered that will cause any kind of real backlash and I highly doubt that there will be
anything. So, by sprinkling it with truth, or addign authentic documents, they are only gaining credibility, while negating any real consequences.
Now, you have people saying "well of course it isn;t disinfo because there is some embarassing stuff in there and there is no way that the government
would embarass itself". Mission accomplished without consequence.
In your 9/11 thread you dealt with facts in that they were witness testimony, and quotes from members of the 9/11 committee etc, all very good
and a good thread. This one is in the realm of hearsay and supposition and does not quite gel with the fact that governments around the world are
going nuts, and they still don't know all that was actually stolen on hard copy.
Which 9/11 thread is that? I have maybe 50 threads on 9/11, though all of them deal with the facts. This thread is completely different, hitting on
two very different topics and certainly two very different issues, subjects, points and logic.
This thread here is a logic based thread. I'm not going over evidence (or cables) and pointing out which ones are true and which ones are false,
because for one thing, that would be impossible and pointless, at least according to the point made in the OP. Instead, this thread is about the flaw
in the system that is set up by WL and I go in to explain how either this flaw is likely to be exploited by the government or it could just simply be
created by TPTB from the get go. The point is, we don't know, though what we do know, is that it could be easily exploited by the government, thus
calling their whole operation into question. One has to wonder why Assange wouldn;t have built the system that wouldn't have such an obvious flaw in
Look, when I create my 9/11 threads, one of the main points that I always make, is that you shouldn;t reach a conclusion based on faith or based on
someone's word, which is what is required to believe the official conspiracy theory. If you have doubts, then the criteria for truth has not been
satisfied. The same case here, where the criteria for truth in this case has also not been satisified and in fact, there is a huge likelihood that
disinformation is seeping into WL.
Am I claiming that I know for a fact that WL is spreading Disinfo? Absolutely not. That claim has not left my fingers. What I am claiming though, is
that it is a real possibility and the potential is there. In fact, not only is the potential there, but the odds are in its favor.
Are you old enough to remember those ziplock commercials of a few years past? Remember how the lady would put pasta in the bag and then seal it just
before putting it over her head? Yeah, she didn't want to do that, unless she was abolutely sure that it would hold and with the generic brand or
"brand x", she wouldn't do it all, as there zip-lock had a flaw in it that had the potential to douse her in red sauce. In effect, it was dangerous
for her to do that with a brand of bag that had a flaw in the zipper. Therefore, the ziplock company was telling you that "brand x's" bags were no
good because you couldn't be sure that their locks would hold, thus you need to buy their brand of bags, where you could be sure.
WL has a huge flaw in their zipper that almost ensures disinformation would flow through it, thus defeating the purpose of their bag (data) all
together. One has to ask why they would set up a system with such a flaw? Sure, it could be by accident but the flaw still exists and we can't be
sure how trustworthy the information is. All of this is in spite of the very real possibility that WL itself is disinformation operation from the
start. Again, either way, the chances are real good that disinformation is being dumped through WL, regardless of whether they are aware of this
Lets just suppose that WL is on the up and up and they are completely trustworthy. If I was an elite in government, I would then come up with the
bright idea (or not so much) to intentionally leak information to the organization, in an off-hand effort to mislead and keep people off the trail.
Yes, disinformation is one of the most effective ways to keep people in the dark. If I did this, there would be little Assange or WL could do to root
this disinfo out. They simply wouldn't know about it.
Now, to move away from that scenario, we then have the very real case that WL itself is a disinformation campaign that was created as such. Think
about it for a moment... If you were a member of the elite in government or just simply a member of the elite and you were trying to hide things, you
would be figuring out ways to spread disinformation. Maybe you feel like too many people are rooting up the right tree on those darned conspiracy
websites. So, you figure out a way to effectively spread disinfo and you do so by having a credible front man, such as Assange. It's really no scret
that many hackers are recruited by the government, particularly the intelligence agencies. You then create this elaborate front and to gain him some
credibility, you start him off with a bang, such as allowing him to release a very emotional Iraq video showing misconduct.
That way, there aren't any real repurcussion for you or the rest of the elite, yet people still think it is damning enough to give your front man
-and his operation- a little credibility. Then, once he has some credibility, you then procede to dump disinfo through his believable organization,
while maintaining street cred by sprinkling it with truths, though so long as those truths don;t really get you in hot water and instead just
superficially embarass you.
So again, I'm not making the claim that I know for a fact that WL is a disinfo campaign, only that it is a very real possibility, especially with all
of the red flags pointed out in the OP. What's more, even if it isn't a disinfo campaign, it has an even better chance as being used as a disinfo
outlet, with Assange being completely ignorant that what he has is disinfo. There is no way that he would know it if the government decided to leak
disinfo through WL, due solely to the nature of how the operation is set up.
I have an unfortunate feeling that you are allowing your biases to interfere with the data in the OP, ultimately tainting the results in which you are
concluding with, something that I also said would probably happen in the OP.
The only claim being made here, is that there is a very real chance of WL spreading disinfo, whether intentional or unintentional and which basically
negates their whole purpose. How can you seek the truth from something with no way to confirm that truth, especially when the chance for disinfo is
much greater than the chance for truth? I also hinted at how people are also putting too much faith in the organization, thinking that because WL is
dumping apparent or supposed classified documents, that government secrets are now being revealed and transparency is now being forced, which just
isn't. Far too many people are thinking that the government is now being fully exposed and it is ultimately turning them off to the idea that the
government may be into some serious # that it shouldn;t be into, after all, if there are secrets in government, WL will sure expose it now.