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It would be absolutely crazy for anyone to think that there should be no secrets in government. I do however believe that the public is entitled to know everything about government, as the government is supposed to be by, for and of the people. However and with that being said, such a notion isn't very practical in our current socio-political climate, as there is a very real danger that some people, both domestic and foreign, would want to do harm to not only our country, but also our way of life.
However, in a Democratic republic (which is what we have), the government should be completely dependent upon the will of the people. We don't simply elect our politicians to make decisions for us, so much as we elect our politicians to make decisions by us
A monarchy, aristocracy or despotic dictatorship, is one in which a governing body or governor makes decisions for the people, in spite of and independent of the public will.
However, any adult with an intelligence level worth its weight in salt, knows that people have to be well informed to make good decisions, thus we have to severely limit what is and what isn't kept secret, lest we not make good decisions.
We also have the problem of certain interests, entities and people who will use this secrecy to hide their corrupt deeds. Because we, the public, allow these people to have some secrecy, this basically gives these corrupt entities the ability to hijack our country and keep their deeds under wraps, essentially hiding under the cloak that we have given them..
The media seems to be paying a lot of attention to WikiLeaks and not just to ridicule the organization.
The media seems to be only focused on the danger that this might hurt troops or national security.
The government isn't denying any of this information.
There has been no real effort to discredit the organization.
Julian Assange is still walking around.
The information is apparently making it out to the public.
The DoD was apparently "hunting" Assange, yet couldn't seem to find him, in spite of the fact that he was moving in and out of certain countries, even giving an interview here in America to an MSM outlet.
The information leaked through WL is a far cry from causing change or any kind of backlash against government.
Originally posted by Fiberx
I am very wary of my government (U.S.), but I have to say that, the more of these releases I read, the more I think WL is misguided.
Also, ironically, the more I read the more I am feeling that I should be more on board with my government. The honest view of events brings more of a human touch to what is usually very a dry representation given in the press or alternatively a very biased and confusing mess presented by my fellow Americans, or foreigners that have alternate view points and motives.
I do not like a lot of things that U.S. has done, especially in the last decade, but opening these windows into the human relationships going on behind the scenes and letting some of the secret info out of the bag has made me realize that I can not know all the details and that being the case, i can only offer a partially valid opinion.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by airspoon
Disagree, the only way we will learn to stop wars and corruption if the information is widely available to independent media organization, widely available to the public.
Originally posted by Crutchley29
Wikileaks have my support, it was only today that the US are calling to designate Wikileaks as a terrorist organization.
Originally posted by Myendica
heres my problem with WL.
I had some expectations of these cables.. I expected atleast 1 of 5 things to have been mentioned;
1. conversations leading up to and right after 9/11.
2. up to and after Madrid.
3. up to and after London.
4. anything about Polish plane crash.
5. and anything leading up to or after Mumbai.
Nothing. so, for the moment, I see the information leaked to be a background story for what they want us to know.
I still expect these issues to be mentioned.. we will see.
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Fiberx
I think that's the point, they are incredibly genius. In fact, they are arguably the most genius organization on the planet, seeing how they attract only the brightest people with an unlimited amount of resources. Why You may be sales clerk, police officer or mail-carrier (thus know your job perfectly), they are intelligence professionals and do this kind of thing for a living. It is their job!
I only have one question then, if they are incredibly genius, and they have the brightest people, with an unlimited amount of resources, then WHY, did 9-11 happen?? And, why can they not find a kidney patient hidden in caves somewhere in the desert???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Myendica
If you are waiting for WL to release any kind of information that would be a game changer or that would even lead people to start asking question, then you are only holding your breath for nothing.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Could you point out one specific leak with link and explain exactly how it endangers someone? I'd like that instead of just a pure analysis. You should've put those in the OP.
Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.
A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.
The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.
At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership.
These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches, which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.
Originally posted by RedBird
reply to post by Baldur
Please forgive my presumptions, but do you by any chance have a professional or official association with Wikileaks?
I only ask because you are a recently joined member with 11 posts - more than half of them well-timed defenses of Wikileaks in response to suggestions that the organization may not be what it appears.