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Originally posted by the_denv
This is most disturbing to find out that the UK Government are allowing a company in there country to manufacture materials and smuggle them to Iran in that could possibly be used in a Nuclear Reactor!
I thought the UK were trying to stop and prevent such things from happening?
Why would the UK Government be allowing this to happen?
They are more or less helping Iran to manufacture a nuclear reactor. Or, should I say, its quite possible that they are helping them.
Originally posted by the_denv
reply to post by wcitizen
That is the thing mate, no matter what, the UK is to blame for allowing it to happen, weather or not they knew about it or not. It happened in their country, and they should be held accountable.
That is what the court would say.
Imagine if the roles were reversed:
Say: You are the CEO of a company and an employee secretly makes illegal substances in your warehouse and the cops raid the place. Weather or not you knew about it, you will still go to jail, be fined or held responsible because its your business and that is the way the courts would see it.
The finger would be pointed at you the CEO and you would be held liable for prosecution.
Many innocent people in the UK have been jailed for such things (the bosses of companies and normal people etc), so I can not see why the government can not be treated in the same way for being careless in domestic security.
Originally posted by wcitizen
That's like saying the Government is accountable for every crime committed in UK, which is clearly unreasonable.
Originally posted by wcitizen
As long as UK authorities issued the correct information to companies regarding restrictions on trading with Iran, and as long as required overseeing was carried out, if the company then committed a crime the UK Government isn't responsible.
Originally posted by wcitizen
I doubt very much that that's what the Court would say, in fact I believe it is very foolish to ever believe one can know what a Court will say in most cases.
That statement is waaayyy oversimplistic, naive and inaccurate. Unless there is negligeance, collusion, lack of adequate supervision and security checks, the Court would not hold the CEO guilty of a crime. One of the key words in the judicial system is 'reasonable', and they would look at whether a given CEO could reasonably have been expected to be aware of a situation or not.
Originally posted by wcitizen
If a minor commits a crime, is the parent jailed too?
Originally posted by wcitizen
If a UK citizen carries out a terrorist activity in another country, is the PM put in jail or held responsible? No.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Really? Can you point me to some specific cases?
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Originally posted by the_denv
This is most disturbing to find out that the UK Government are allowing a company in there country to manufacture materials and smuggle them to Iran in that could possibly be used in a Nuclear Reactor!
I thought the UK were trying to stop and prevent such things from happening?
Why would the UK Government be allowing this to happen?
They are more or less helping Iran to manufacture a nuclear reactor. Or, should I say, its quite possible that they are helping them.
(S) A well-connected Iranian businessman who owns a
Baku-based oil services company told Baku Iran watcher that a
company called "INSULTEC," owned by UK citizens of Indian
origin, has secretly provided cladding, thermal insulation,
and ancillary equipment to the government of Iran in a
variety of shipments via Turkey and the U.A.E. According to
the Baku source, whose company operates in Russia,
Kazakhstan, and the U.A.E. as well as Azerbaijan, the
materials allegedly sent by INSULTEC in falsely labeled
containers were of type that could be used in nuclear reactor
construction. Citing old Iran and Dubai based business
friends allegedly familiar with the issue, the source said
that INSULTEC has maintained a sanctions-evading relationship
with Iranian government companies for some time. Source said
that the company was officially headquartered in the U.K.,
and has offices in Germany, the USA, and elsewhere, its
manufacturing base and the bulk of its staff are in India.
cablegate.__._
(visit the link for the full news article)edit on 28/11/2010 by the_denv because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by the_denv
lol, did someone really do that?? That's pretty lame..
Ohh, sure looks like a date to me..What else could it be??
Originally posted by remrem
Or, maybe Iran just wants a nuclear reactor for power...many other countries have it so why not Iran?
Originally posted by the_denv
It did not stop them though, and the crime was made under their governance.
Not foolish, but with modern Tyrannical laws; anything is possible.
But that is the problem, there was a lack of security checks and supervision.
Bad example
No, agreed. Though they would get bad press about it and told to tighten their security to prevent such things ever occurring again; which I would like to see. I want justice because if a manufacturer composed of criminal Indians in mainland England were making nuclear reactor parts and there were to be an accident to occur it would be catastrophic.
Originally posted by wcitizen
They MAY get some bad press, depending on the circumstances, but that's beside the point. You asserted emphatically that the Government would be legally held responsible for the nuclear parts sent from a UK company. I replied that such a statement was completely inaccurate - and this proves it was.
Originally posted by the_denv
Originally posted by wcitizen
They MAY get some bad press, depending on the circumstances, but that's beside the point. You asserted emphatically that the Government would be legally held responsible for the nuclear parts sent from a UK company. I replied that such a statement was completely inaccurate - and this proves it was.
You don't get it do you?
If you read my original statement I said "They should be held accountable".
Your very argumentative, all I am doing is trying to have a conversation.
Your statement proves as much as my statement, all it is; is an opinion; so you can not prove anything.
edit on 30/11/2010 by the_denv because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by the_denv
reply to post by wcitizen
Funny I was going to include Pot and Kettle in my last post.
I am not arguing, I made the thread and I am merely replying.
So, this happens in the UK and you don't think someone of legal stature in the government should be told "Heh, why didn't you know about this? Why wasn't I informed about this and how the hell did it make it past customs"? That is what an official would have said behind closed doors to the person who would be in charge of overseeing businesses that manufacture objects of that nature.
edit on 30/11/2010 by the_denv because: (no reason given)