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Originally posted by Majestic23
What do you think they are there for?
They pissed me off since I found that my favourite childhood shows and games (video and board games, check out MB and the like) and films and and music is full of it. They formed my worldview.
I used to watch an American cartoon called GI JOE (I think a certain massive toy company owns this license). The tagline was "the real American Hero!". Well of course all young lads love to play army and fight etc... but get this......the bad guys were a group of mysterious terrorists who waged proxy wars from underground cave bases. They were called Cobra. It turns out it was full of symbolism and gives a clear referance to 9/11. Again a strong licence that hasnt waned with time and has had big Hollywood movies made (these companies very rarely go out of business).
Programming? I think so, in retrospect this becomes very clear. Not enough on its own though, but then I can do pretty much the same with all such media characters aimed at children in that era.
And some happen to believe 9/11 was a magical ritual, which is quite compelling because a hughe amount of media forshadows 9/11 also ( literally hundreds, maybe thousands). And the secret societies practice this type of magic. You would be foolish not to entertain the idea that 9/11 was some sort of attention grabbing ritual sacrifice.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I find that the laxity comes into play when a single take on the reason such potent esoteric symbolism features in the mainstream then becomes codified, letting no alternative perspective in. Not saying that this is so in your case, just within conspiracy circles in general.
No one thing in reality is on its own, everything is beautifully connected. This applies to the agenda well because they never have only one reason for the use of something, they never only have one method of reaching their goals. People who plot and scheme to this level nearly always get it right because they can extrapolate so well. Even so there are always variables that are a choas factor and painful to the r-complex. The web of illusion loves to distract us and keep our attention so it is all set up like that from genetics to schooling to entertainment and politics etc...However we are looking at a level of cohesion that outlives civilisations and in the end there must only be one truth so it is hardly surprising we see this "codification" in conspiracy circles.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The reason I am highly suspicious of the idea you put forward is that it's so prevalent within the conspiracy community, particularly those fully involved in the Christian Right's battle aginst the occult/New Age/Gnosticism, and that it comes from a place that has (ironically) a strictly dualistic view. Black and white. Us and them. Polarised dilemmas that stultify more complex or less cosmic, more pragmatic, worldviews.
But what you say is proof of its effect. We the audience see the duality as thing to emulate, emulate our idols and their emotive "art" yet those who made the picture and understand it see it as a totally differant thing. They see duality for the quagmire that it is and instead of using their knowledge and considerable power to tell us the meanings directly and the mechanism by which they work they use it to toy with us morons who are paying 50 to take our kids to see some sh*t 3D high-def beam-o-vision pixar nonsense filled with symbolism that laughs in our ignorant faces. Letting their absurd ideas slowly trickle into our heads until we think that everything out of the ordinary is a fairytale and that if you look slightly middle eastern you should have a schimitar between your teeth and an AK in your hand.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Religion is being liquidised and the war on altered states of consciousness is in full swing. Materialism is the new way, if symbols charged with spiritual power are degraded and changed to be resonant with money and base instincts then that makes a lot of sense in magical terms. It is like putting your goldfish's old castle in his new water tank. The magicians brings your attention to the tip of the wand and then points it in the direction he wants you to look. Transmutation of energy is as useful as gathering it and sometimes more convenient. Notice how most currency is a patchwork of sacred geometry?
To take the spiritual and muddy it with the ego is always a top priority.
In truth I cannot see the agenda allowing its symbols to be used in a way they did not approve of.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The tool that symbolic language is is merely neutral, and the intent behind much of it may indeed be to dominate and control the world in a corporate sense, but those who employ it have no grand magickal grimoire to circumscribe the globe, square the circle, and seal it with a planet-wide sigil; they just have have a twenty year business plan, blue chip stocks, share forecasts, financial advisors, and the ability to cloak themselves with whatever meme will most likely become the norm.
But I think they do. I think the massive amount of media hinting at 9/11 and the concept that the towers were on a leyline and the tuning fork contruction and the ceremonies where people walk around and cause vortex energy. Think the Ka-bah at Mecca and the throngs of people who circle it and worship, this building is also on a powerful leyline (you can see this circling in the film Return to Oz and in the ceremonies following the disaster).
So attention, vibration, vortex energy, links to mystic societies, every news channel in the world watching, human sacrifice AND it was fortold in the media that the same people invented AND it as the catalyst for our current position.
That is something like the planet wide sigil you refer to I think.
Originally posted by Majestic23
It is paradigm crushing concepts, the answer to all questions, the truth about religion, it WILL change the world for the better. It is our one and timeless victory against the immortal enemies in the physical mental and spiritual dimensions. It is realisation after realisation and the ray of hope in the dark. It is endless possibilities. It is the third eye opening on a galaxian scale. It is our last chance and once you see the vastness you can never look back.
Yes, it is the greatest story ever told, it entertains me.
When was the last time X Factor sent you on a voyage of self discovery?
Originally posted by Majestic23
If there is only one person at the top of the pyramid there is only one person who needs to know the real meaning.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The other idea I would present, as a thought experiment, is that the base archetypes expressed through the use of symbolism, may be exercising power through the very people that employ them, who knows what may be acting on them in a metaphysical sense. Plato once said that men are toys in the hands of ideas (archetypes)....
Plato spent a lot of time in altered states of mind. Now it seems so did the people who currently comprise the agenda (shamanic bloodline familes, the magi) and probably always have did also. Hence why they know so much about the mechanics of reality. So my take on that is that a luciferic consciousness of some kind (maybe a perverse force of duality or gods, hilariosly names after astral bodies) is the evil idea in the hearts of men. Is it a conscious force? All I know is that the shamanic dynasties went into the astral planes and were transmitted or possessed with the knowledge of how to form civilisation with science and art and higher knowledge based on irrefutable laws of reality, magic (this is just a highly advanced form of naturalistic engineering) and symbolism (maybe the consciousness that taught the shaman created the reality we reside in, they certainly know a lot about it). Maybe these ideas are imbued with a consciousness all of their own.
'But in seeking the liberation of the individual through the destruction of social maya, the advocates of the new apocalypse appear to have made one signal error. In the original form, the idea of liberation is Gnostic in nature. That is to say, it is world-rejecting. At the center is the divine spark trapped in heavy matter. The situation could be described as a point enclosed within a circle. In the original idea, the circle is broken and the spark escapes through a different way of looking at the circle. This is what is meant by "revolution in consciousness." The trapped human executes some spiritual acrobatics and sees that he is not trapped after all - all the time the circle was broken, and indeed he may have created it himself. But this change in the relationship of the point (Man) and the circle (Matter) is achieved through operations taking place within the individual - within the point. The circle is illusion, nothing more. The theorists of social liberation are trying to produce the necessary changes in the point by manipulating the surrounding circle, the existence of which has traditionally been seen as the product of wrong being, of a wrongly perceived relationship of man and the universe.
The construction of a new social reality would seem to be, from the point of view of all systems of liberation, merely another articfact of illusion. On the other hand, the exponents of material reform proclaim that to concentrate on "spiritual" goals is to distract attention from goals that are realizable in the present. Both the spiritual aspirants and the social reformers seem to have admirable motives which it is not for this book to judge. But the application of of the spiritual theory to material ends must end in disaster. If it is the social system which prevents man from "experiencing liberation," the construction of a new social system - even the system which defines itself in opposition to to that which has previously existed - is merely to reforge the fetters which have been struck off.'
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Who is in control? Is anyone? The latter question many conspiracy theorists fear more than anything I think.
Most likely there will be a cyclical nature to this "who is really in control idea". We born alone and we die alone, in then end there is only yourself to answer to.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Plato spent a lot of time in altered states of mind.
Pharmakon traces the emergence of an ethical discourse in ancient Greece, one centered on states of psychological ecstasy. In the dialogues of Plato, philosophy is itself characterized as a pharmakon, one superior to a large number of rival occupations, each of which laid claim to their powers being derived from, connected with, or likened to, a pharmakon. Accessible yet erudite, Pharmakon is one of the most comprehensive examinations of the place of intoxicants in ancient thought yet written.
Originally posted by mysticalzoe
reply to post by network dude
I believe that the symbolisms that you are referring to are for anyone who understand and know their meaning, and get it.
Originally posted by network dude
So after that, nothing affected you personaly in any way other than now that you know they are there, it makes you angry.
Originally posted by network dude
I think looking into Hasbro's storyline is looking for a nail while holding a hammer. Eventually you will find a nail.
Originally posted by network dude
Ritual Sacrifice? I am probably the wrong guy to respond to that since I don't believe in magic.
Originally posted by network dude
But other than feelings, you haven't been affected that you know of by symbols in your youth.
Originally posted by network dude
I do agree that should there be an answer to this that falls on your side of the fence, it could open up pandoras box. In order for me to look for it, I would have to believe it first. So far, I am not convinced. but thanks for your input. I have learned a lot so far.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Is this type of thing impossible? Absolutely not. Was there an MKULTRA program, most likely? Where did the drive for such research come from? The secret societies who had been practicing it for years.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Again our opinions dont matter. The people who run the world clearly believe in it. Think about it, why did all the older Gods ask for blood sacrifice, life force sacrifice? Their thirst was not sated hence WW2 and 9/11 and such.
Among the Wiccan Sabbats, Beltane is a cross-quarter day; it is celebrated in the northern hemisphere on 1 May and in the southern hemisphere on 1 November. Beltane follows Ostara and precedes Midsummer.
Teutonic goddess Eostre, whose name is probably yet another variant of Ishtar, Astare and Aset
Originally posted by Majestic23
sh*t 3D high-def beam-o-vision pixar nonsense
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Must there be only one truth? How would we know?
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Why should we think that anyone on the lower levels of the pyramid structure, if this is what it is, have the perspective or real knowledge to know what that "truth" is?
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The codification I refer to is perhaps more akin to dogma, where birds of a feather flock together in respect of a handy belief system.
The steadfast belief that many in the conspiracy community have as regards the truth implies that they already have it and presupposes the philosphical notion of universal truth, which slipslides into another quagmire of conspiracy culture, absolutism. The idea of conspiracy theory being, to many, not all, a type of secular religion is quite valid I feel.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The number of arguments of a metaphysical nature predicated on the conception, or lack thereof, of an absolute truth that I've seen on conspiracy message boards I can't keep track of.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I agree that the the modern rationalist materialist mindset is prone to sever relations holistically, to compartmentalise knowledge and understanding, to maintain the illusion that the science (that is, knowledge) of life can only be conducted piecemeal. I am, however, hopeful that the scientific community is becoming aware in some circles as to the wisdom to not segregate in this fashion, but to come to together.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Iam quite interested in the discipline of Biosemiotics, where there is a confluence of scientific disciplines in many different fields to approach a general, even unified, understanding of the living semiotics (semiotics, the study of signs) of the natural world. If you go to Alexei Sharov's Biosemiotics website you'll notice a familiar alchemical icon being discussed and why it is considered the symbol of the discipline.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
As regards the potential agendas of any Powers That Be, I'm not sure that there is any singular, unified globe spanning one. I just see the old story of man exploiting man, conflict driven by the desire for power and profit, casual, callous evil winning over what should be our better natures, and I don't know if this is all the work of single eye atop the pyramid, if this is the metaphor we're using.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I'm open to possibilities, I just tend to more reductive answers on the availale evidence if I'm going to stick my neck out.
I'm not averse to wild speculation though, I'll link you something in one of my next replies here...
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The dialectic we both see is more unfortunately a tendency, and weakness, of the human perspective, and can be entrained to be the majority view, if we let it. Therefore the dialectic wranglings seen both in the MSM and within the conspiratainment industry are the antithesis to the approach that should be taken.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
The dualistic mindset that these conspiracy "researchers" I have mentioned promulgate is part of the very same complex as the corporations. That, in the end, they lead to the same place, using the same philosophy.
But I do see that there will be those with an understanding of the dualistic nature of human thought processes who can and will use that deliberately against others. And the reason they employ this? Maybe because they think dialectically themselves...
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I mentioned my tendency for liberal speculation earlier, so here's a link you may find interesting, from the ATS Skunkworks. A very early ATS thread of mine, a thought experiment (a shameless self bump):
9/11 - The American Continent as Monolithic Grimoire of the Cryptocracy
It's representative of a mindset I don't hold to any more, but I think it's an interesting myth.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
If we take your reply here is a basic premise to explore then: what would be the consequence of those who apparently exercise power (through, using the example here, the use of "higher knowledge" gained from transcendent experience exercised via occult symbolism) being as much slaves to the power they exercise as those they apparently enslave?.....................
................It's all about perspective in a sense I think. I still have to remind myself of this, every day.
My comment is related to my previous proposition, if we temporarily accept the premise in order to explore it. That the power elite are as much controlled by the system they built, where power works through them, they are conduits of power, not the exercisers of it. They then would have built their own gargantuan prison colony, where they have only worthless trinkets to show for their status.
Originally posted by pianopraze
If people on here have not researched Project Paperclip, MK-ULTRA, and Monarch programming they need to research it. This is documented history, not conspiracy. This is another way symbols affect us. Ideas are implanted then triggered with symbols, music, etc...
Originally posted by pianopraze
The Iraq War was a mega blood sacrifice. 5:50pm 555 days after 9/11 the war began on Ostara (old English Eostre) the Vernal (Spring) Equinox on the fullest ingress of Mars (god of war) for that year. 42 days later a 3:33pm EST May 1st, Belantane, Bush announced the end of the war.
And I often hear the figure 555 billion dollars spent aswell. Yes, aside from the power play it seems like ritual and destruction of ancient history were goals. Good linking Praze.
Originally posted by pianopraze
Teutonic goddess Eostre, whose name is probably yet another variant of Ishtar, Astare and Aset
I havent looked into Eostre very much but it makes sense it describes the Isis/Ishtar character.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Must there be only one truth? How would we know?
Because we would not be looking for it were there not a nice concise answer that we could apply to actual gnosis somewhere down the line. If I were to simply think that all concepts are true or a few were then I would already have the answer would I not? I do not see our life experience to be something akin to a meditational question like "if a tree falls in the forest".
But yeah, you have a point, we cannot know at this point.
Originally posted by Majestic23
I assume they have as much knowledge as it takes for them to accomplish the goals of the higher ups, from an average Joe perspective a few tidbits of ultra high knowledge would seem like a massive leap in learning and enough to make them believe just like the scientoligists have just enough advanced info to ensure their acolytes are devoted. I should explain that I believe a luciferic consciousness is "at the top" so it is more like a force of nature that organises this than a group of regular higher ups.
Plus you know they are straight moronic cus they test things with no regard for the safety of the planet or even themselves sometimes.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Just like with the pyramid of control there is a pecking order for belief systems. Highly manipulated religions are not favoured by those in the know or of late stage incarnations, they will move through New Age and Pagan ideas etc... and eventually highly technical belief systems that blur science and religion AND real life experience with inspiration until they get to pure truth (IE the actual way things are). I concur in that conspiracy theory is somewhere on that line and like all religions can lead to enlightenment or entanglement.
Originally posted by Majestic23
True, but this may just be a symptom of "trying to find our feet". Plus our egos want us to be the chosen one, We have to get over this.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Lets hope they get their sh*t together fast. The problem I see is academic left brained people who can actually hadle the data are prone to compartmentalisation and the right brained arty types can see the bigger picture but cant explain it or do anything practical with it. Duality strikes again.
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
Iam quite interested in the discipline of Biosemiotics, where there is a confluence of scientific disciplines in many different fields to approach a general, even unified, understanding of the living semiotics (semiotics, the study of signs) of the natural world. If you go to Alexei Sharov's Biosemiotics website you'll notice a familiar alchemical icon being discussed and why it is considered the symbol of the discipline.
If materialism and spiritualism do eventually get along it will be because of movements like this. I feel it makes sense that the link between aging and genetics will be a flashpoint that brings the two together in the public eye.
Originally posted by Majestic23
The metaphor is for illumination and knowledge. The Masons tell us the eye symbol is good but it feels so bad. People are going to grow weary of the abyss looking back at them.
Maybe it is all just the delusions of man but I cannot accept it because I am one, I know the capabilities and limitations. Humanity has done some amazing things but keeping a conspiracy going for this this long at this level of complexity? Somehow still reaching goals despite the very fact that the organisational structure requires infighting and power play?
Originally posted by Majestic23
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
I mentioned my tendency for liberal speculation earlier, so here's a link you may find interesting, from the ATS Skunkworks. A very early ATS thread of mine, a thought experiment (a shameless self bump):
9/11 - The American Continent as Monolithic Grimoire of the Cryptocracy
It's representative of a mindset I don't hold to any more, but I think it's an interesting myth.
Why do you no longer adhere to this?