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Originally posted by King Seesar
What does symbolism do too you???....I guess it depends on ones perception of such, on the surfice a symbol might just be a symbol but if it were to be thrown together with magik or some type of mind control device or some kind of occult meaning then it's different...is a symbol just a symbol depends who you ask, i would say no there's meaning behind some of it but deciphering who or what has a agenda through it again depends on ones perception.
Originally posted by Misterlondon
reply to post by missvicky
Yeah I did a little research... Found a few different points and there meanings but can't find the meaning of 8.. Although a few posts here have been useful I'll research some more.. Thanks for your reply..
Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by Misterlondon
It's one very recent interpretation of it.
At one point it was also a symbol used to ward off evil.
reply to post by fordrew
Only if they are taught what the symbol means by someone else, the reason why there are so many interpretations of what symbols mean is due to people adding their own interpretations over it when they don't recognize it.
symbols do nothing, period. Some people use symbols to communicate to one another, like the Jesus fish, or cross, may not mean must to us now, but perhaps back then, it was a sign of some brotherhood, or understanding, that we cannot comprehend. Evil, doesn't exist, it does, but it kinda doesn't.
Originally posted by Misterlondon
Does anyone know what an 8 pointed star with a circle in the middle means, or what it is associated with.. It's a long story why is so important to me, and it's a little 'out there' and personal to just put in a post.. I have tried to research it with little joy.. If anyone knows what is means, I would very much appreciate it..
Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by network dude
Thank you for the ernest reply
I in no way am saying it is "satanic" symbolism. I find it obnoxious that whenever confronted with an idea that challenges the Christian dogma it is immediately castigated as satanic. IMHO many Christians assign to much to "satan" and undermine the greatness of an all powerful God to equate Christianity as a dualistic philosophy with "satan" as a yin to God's yang.
I detest dualism in general but that is off topic.
Masonry seems to be all about symbolism and thus the whole impetus for this thread. Manly P. Hall said: "It is neither historical nor archaeo- logical, but is a divine symbolic language perpetu- ating under certain concrete symbols the divine mysteries of the ancients."
So symbolism is then, to you, the key to understanding everything... no?
A person is not meant to leave any of the rites knowing any more than he came in. It is the reflection upon the symbolism of those rites that leads to higher understanding, or enlightenment. To again quote Hall: "The true student realizes most of all that the taking of degrees does not make a man a Mason; a Mason is not appointed, he is evolved, and he must realize that the position he holds in the exoteric lodge means nothing compared to his position in the spiritual lodge of life. He must forever cast out of his being the idea that he can be told or instructed in the sacred mysteries or that his being a member of an organization im- proves him in any way; he must realize that his duty is to build and evolve the sacred teaching in his own being: that nothing but his own purified being can unlock the door to the sealed libraries of human consciousness, and that his Masonic rites must eternally be speculative until he makes them operative by living the life of the mystic Mason."
I am baffled that you claim not to know or understand the symbolism. Is it just so you don't have to talk about them here or that you truely do not understand them? Or was hall right when he wrote this?
"The initiated brother realizes that his so-called symbols and rituals are merely blinds built by the wise to perpetuate ideas incomprehensible to the average individual. He also realizes that few Masons of today know or appreciate the mystic meaning concealed within these rituals. "
edit on 29-11-2010 by pianopraze because: editied quote
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Extant Taxon
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Conspiracies have become somewhat mainstream. If Jessie Ventura can have a TV show about conspiracies that goes for more than 1 episode, I think that proves it. So given that the public digs conspiracies, the media engine can use that to their advantage. And the smart ones already have. Namely JZ and the others mentioned in your post. Yep, whatever shoes sell the best will be worn by all.
As usual, your insight is 4 dimensional.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
reply to post by Majestic23
I'm saying that there is manipulation of occult symbolism occurring in the entertainment industry, but perhaps without the focus that is traditionally applied in conspiracy theory circles.
Originally posted by Majestic23
This is a very lax concept and one that comes instantly to mind when we see the prevalence of such symbolism. It does not explain why it has been around for so long though does it? Or the clear process of initiation some unwary idols fall into.
Are you saying Jay-Z is not in the secret societies and is just interested or playing up? Possible, but it does not explain how his lyrics suggest higher knowledge and premonition of events or how convenient it is to have such a noxious group of people control such a large chunk of pop culture, it does not explain why quite talentless people are worshipped. It does not explain why they take to playing their world stage parts so well "Kanye playing the joker".
I never claimed not to understand the symbolism, just that it can change with interpretation or could mean something completely different to another person. M.P.Hall was spot on with this paragraph. We will never achieve all the knowledge we were meant to have. We will die searching for our truth. He is saying that we must try to live and lead by example, but to never be so arrogant as to assume we are above anyone or anything. We as masons are trying to make ourselves into the perfect ashlar. We know that we are always going to resemble the rough ashlar in the plane of existence, but we should never stop working that stone.
as I said earlier, you must search for the knowledge. Nobody is going to dump the meaning of life in your lap. And if they did, and you weren't ready to hear it, it would be wasted. You search, you study, you learn, you live, then you understand. Nobody takes the place of "you" in that equation.