Wikileaks starting to smell funny

Originally posted by Sly1one
I've found it increasingly suspicious that wiki-leaks is still a capable entity. Honestly if the information they have is as highly sensitive as it seems and was truly "not intended" to be released then the existence and capability of wiki-leaks should have been destroyed.

I agree.

With the government shutting down websites left right and centre at the moment, are we really to believe that Wikileaks is less of a threat to them?

CX.

When I was a PFC I worked regularly with top secret equipment.

Just, FTR. There were E2s just coming in doing the same. A few e1s that had been sp4s that had been busted on drug tests, back before they threw you out for that.

every single person in this thread needs to use the search function.


this topic has been covered to DEATH.

WL smelled like crap from the start, because they are the biggest fraud of the year.


and no im not going to say why, again use the search function theres countless threads on this

Originally posted by Zaanny
If Wiki was not part of the " Big Plan " it would not be here still.

This is a tool for them to use...

Absolutely. Nothing in government happens by accident.
This release could be a pretext for any agenda...including a new war.

Julian is just one man, and he couldn't possibly be clever enough to maintain his
web-site and himself if TPTB ~really~ wanted him silenced...he'd be fish food if he
was truly a threat.

Originally posted by Zaanny
If Wiki was not part of the " Big Plan " it would not be here still.

This is a tool for them to use...

THat is not true!!! Assange gets murdered then what??? WIKI LEAKS would STILL BE an Entity!!!!

S&F

I wrote an article a long, long time ago, similar theory.
I will add it here for extra discussion.



This is how I perceive the Universe based on the information I have. Let’s keep this simple and as detailed as possible so no confusion is aroused.

First of all, the information which I have, tells me that the universe is a giant hologram:

According to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time - the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into "grains", just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in. "It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time," says Hogan.

(Marcus Chown, 2009)
That information is self explanatory, for individuals who still didn’t get it:

If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: "If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."

(Marcus Chown, 2009)
This information should make it as clear as possible into what we are talking about.

To continue let us analyze this information with other information available such as past lives. No doubt many people would be confused into why such information which is not credible and dubious at best (past lives) should be mixed to form a wider picture of how the universe is really constructed. The answer lies within us, one should understand the limits of science. Once you have studied this article you would understand the limits of Science therefore would be appreciative of the idea of past lives.

from using the techniques of a detective or investigative reporter to evaluate claims that a young child, often just beginning to talk, had spontaneously started to speak of the details of another life. In a fairly typical case, a boy in Beirut spoke of being a 25-year-old mechanic, thrown to his death from a speeding car on a beach road. According to multiple witnesses, the boy provided the name of the driver, the exact location of the crash, the names of the mechanic's sisters and parents and cousins, and the people he hunted with -- all of which turned out to match the life of a man who had died several years before the boy was born, and who had no apparent connection to the boy's family.

(Tom Shroder, 2007)
Note: Past lives can’t be proven physically, but any individual with a brain can connect the dots and see the wider picture.

How can we connect past lives with the discovery that we live in a gigantic hologram? Does anything come into mind? Anyone played videogames? Well let’s see how developed we are in that field.

All the dots can be connected if we sit back and think about Virtual Reality for a while:

Brain-computer interfaces offer liberating possibilities like faster 'thought typing'.

(Science Daily, 2009)
These days we can use our brains to control things, which mean in near future we would be able to fully use our brains to control different parts of our virtual bodies and virtual objects.

Computer Scientists Create System That Gives Users A Sense Of Touch

(Science Daily, 2008)
That would give you a hint of how far we have reached to creating virtual reality. Now keep that information also in mind because soon everything will make sense.

Let’s drift off to the land of Evolution where always it causes controversy between creationists and the rest. Taking all the information available above how would you perceive Evolution? Keeping the information above in my mind, evolution would become nothing more than an update. Before humans weren’t able to build cities, but why? It is because of the fact that we could not have made it without the available updates. That is the reason behind all this commotion because when updates occur, anyone familiar with games would know that either new objects are added or old objects are improved or some objects for whatever reason are removed. That is the controversy behind evolution, we can’t seem to get how an object can just suddenly come to existence.

All the problems of evolution are easily solved with this theory.

Now to bring it all together let us examine this drug which can destroy memories, temporarily or not we don’t know yet.

Scientists recently used an experimental drug in animal testing that when delivered to the brain, could block the activity of a substance that the brain needs to retain information in such areas as emotional associations, spatial knowledge, or motor skills. If enhanced, the drug could potentially help ward off dementia and other memory problems.

(Heather Tomko, 2009)
So we are not there yet but we are close to creating such a drug that allows us to erase which ever memory we please. This just shows to the extent on how far we have come to achieving such a drug.

What if this drug was used in the future to block our memory from remembering your previous life in this hologram? This hologram is a game of a sort, but much more advance, hence the product of humans in future. Maybe this game is a test of a sort, or maybe this game is to punish all the sinners, and give the ones who recompense a good life here and the next. But that is just a what if, what if this game is created for a more humanistic purpose, anything is possible. Think about it and prove me wrong.


Source:
(Marcus Chown, 2009), www.newscientist.com...

(Tom Shroder, 2007), www.washingtonpost.com...

(Science Daily, 2009), www.sciencedaily.com...

(Science Daily, 2009), www.sciencedaily.com...

(Heather Tomko, 2009), www.thetartan.org...





I did a little research based on this subject and came across a scientific theory Biocentrism which proclaims the following:

Biocentrism is a scientific theory that posits that life creates the universe rather than the other way around. In this view, current theories of the physical world do not work, and can never be made to work, until they fully account for life and consciousness.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now this even more supports the idea of us human living in Virtual Reality of a sort, or a hologram.

Now let us try to understand this:
I suggest that maybe we are in this hologram because we have done crime in reality and being punished for it. I suggested that we are in hell and as long as we don't change we will continue being in hell, 'past lives' backs my point. But maybe just maybe, this body of ours is given so we can create the universe.

For example designers now have gloves that they wear which allows them to design easily, they are not fully inside the virtual reality but their hands certainly are.

Researchers at Engineered Fibre Structures (EFS), a University of Manchester subsidiary, have almost completed the development of a soft-fabric electronic glove that remotely controls PC-related devices via a Bluetooth connection.

Now, imagine what you could actually do with this cool glove. Just snap your finger towards the desired device and suddenly your iPod plays music, the PC switches off in no time and those wireless speakers pump up the volume. Or even better! Forget about that Wiimote and interact more naturally with your console.

news.softpedia.com...

This glove is already being used to design cars, the article was written in 2007 so it is out of date.

Many religious scriptures pose the idea that this life is a test, maybe this life is a test, every time we are reborn it is probably because we failed the test. And what would be the test? Look at our creation now, look at the high skylines across the world, they actually reach the clouds. That is the ability we have, the ability to create, to design. Everything in this universe can be used to 'create'. Maybe that is the test, the test is to see if we can create.

Now have a think, why do we have the ability to manipulate the universe. Maybe just maybe we are software engineers, but engineering the Universe. Needs more thinking and more thinking will be done in my parts. I will add my thoughts on this subject frequently in this thread.

Thanks for your time

oozy


Enjoy the read.

oz

I think this should be repeated more to get people's attention

Originally posted by mayabong
Wikileaks smells of AIPAC

www.veteranstoday.com...

veteranstoday.com

LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”

Let’s cut this short. Wikileaks is simply another ploy by the ultra powerful Israel lobby, a cheap game meant to humiliate the United States, destroy Pakistan and build a reputation for a puppet. I suspect it will fail. I hope this effort is useful in that endeavor.

and I also think this is highly probable scenario (it smells too)

Wikileaks has smelled odd since its first release of classified info. I have always found it odd that they have been "permitted" to continue on after each release all leading up to the new mother load of data with this latest.

Our govt. can shut down a hundred plus web sites for selling counterfeit purses and perfume etc. without a court order but they can't silence Wikileaks. Hmmmm....!! Counterfeit merchandise or a risk to our national security and the security of other nations. Go figure... DHS chooses frada prada.

Ask yourselves why Assange has been allowed to even exist? Why has INTERPOL given Assange a free pass?

Destabilization...of govt.and military structure...aimed to compound the collapse of the economic structure of nations around the world.

reply to post by jibeho


Because:

WL has broken no laws
WL isn't located on US soil
WL has leverage (insurance file)
Outright banning it would interest even more people
give it more credibility
and give the feeling the US has something big to hide.

Originally posted by TheOracle
reply to post by jibeho

 

Because:

WL has broken no laws
WL isn't located on US soil
WL has leverage (insurance file)
Outright banning it would interest even more people
give it more credibility
and give the feeling the US has something big to hide.

WL has classified state documents that were stolen from countries...I dare say that is against the law from every country they are taken from.

WL didn't always have the leverage file. So that point is mute and I honestly think it's a joke. For all we know reruns of mash could be in the file.

Like I've said a few times already when they only go after the US on major annoucements or everything relates to the US then someone is out to get us. And if we haven't shut them down, and other countries haven't then I think we know who is coming after us...maybe it's just us going after our own people? Power struggle anyone?

If

Israel says Wikileaks proves that Arab States are United against Iran.


news.yahoo.com...

Wiki-releases planned in advance: Iran‎

Iran's President has questioned the recent leaked documents obtained and published by the Wikileaks website, saying the US administration "released" material intentionally.


In response to a question by Press TV on Monday over the whistleblower website's "leaks," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said "let me first correct you. The material was not leaked, but rather released in an organized way."

"The US administration released them and based on them they pass judgment …. [The documents] have no legal value and will not have the political effect they seek," the Iranian chief executive added at the press briefing in Tehran.

Ahmadinejad stressed that the Wikileaks "game" is "not worth commenting upon and that no one would waste their time reviewing them."

www.presstv.com...

WikiLeaks revelations not worth comment - Kremlin

The documents relating to Russia released on Monday by the WikiLeaks whistle blowing website do not merit comment, the Russian president's press secretary Natalia Timakova said on Monday.

"There is nothing interesting or worth commenting on in the publications released on the WikiLeaks website and in the papers," Timakova said.

"Fictional Hollywood heroes hardly deserve comment," Timakova said, in reference to a document leaked from the U.S. embassy in Moscow that claimed Russian President Dmitry Medvedev "plays Robin" to his strongman Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's "Batman." Another document called Medvedev "pale and hesitant" in comparison to the "alpha-dog" Putin.

en.rian.ru...

There are more leaks to come this week. This is really only the beginning. Wikileaks has promised 7x the size of the Iraq leaks. We're talking millions of documents.

All Wikileaks is doing is publishing documents that loads of government workers already had access to. It's not hard to see how this digital info could get leaked to a website.

People are saying they could shut down Wikileaks like music sites. But no, not really. Wikileaks already has contact with The Guardian, Der Spiegel, The New York Times, and more. If their site gets shut down, they can just send the info to those news outlets.

If you think Wikileaks is suspect, perhaps you should watch this video:

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by HereIsTheInfo
There are more leaks to come this week. This is really only the beginning. Wikileaks has promised 7x the size of the Iraq leaks. We're talking millions of documents.

That is what I thought as well, as the short blurb on their twitter made it appear that way, but if you take a look at the current Cable Gate Site you will see a clarification of the claim.

The full set consists of 251,287 documents, comprising 261,276,536 words (seven times the size of "The Iraq War Logs", the world's previously largest classified information release).

All you did was copy and paste in its entirety an article from the associated press. You didn't even link to the original article. What's the point of this?

www.google.com...

Originally posted by TheOracle
reply to post by jibeho

 

Because:

WL has broken no laws
WL isn't located on US soil
WL has leverage (insurance file)
Outright banning it would interest even more people
give it more credibility
and give the feeling the US has something big to hide.

Years ago in lands far away (the US and allied nations during WWII) this would be considered an act of treason!! and Assange and those who have given him the intel would no longer be sharing the air that you and I breathe.

Sure, WL is not on US soil... Hence my mention of INTERPOL. They should be breathing down this man's neck for reasons other than the charge of Rape.

When a website starts getting more free publicity than Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Justin Bieber combined, I start to get just a tad suspicious. It just so happens that all of the information released always embarrasses the U.S., yet there's never anything there that embarrasses Israel. Golly, I wonder why?! Hmmm!

Originally posted by Sentinel412
Do you know what is not right? That shortly before the release discrediting threads like this is appearing frequently at ATS. Do you believe we're going to buy it? Think again.

This is the second discrediting thread within one hour. But if I must guess, more will come. Well, 22:00GMT is so close.

edit on 28-11-2010 by Sentinel412 because: (no reason given)

So now anyone who questions a supposed whistle blower is somehow involved in a disinfo plot?

Give me a break. Wikileaks has smelled funny in my opinion for some time now.

Please dont be so naive to think that if this Julian Assange character were anything "dangerous" he would be allowed to continue his operations. The government may be incompetent when it comes to many things, but one thing you can count on is their ability to train people to kill. Of course the US government isnt the only one tied into this supposed mess. The Chinese, Aussies, Afghans, and probably another dozen or so governments supposedly have been compromised. You want me to believe that NO ONE can touch this guy?

If this Julian character actually had something that was deemed a national security threat, he would have been eliminated. Its as simple as that. The fact that he's still alive and allowed to continue these "leaks" means this isnt what its made out to be....

Originally posted by dmefoc
Did you read my thoughts at all? did the dumb dork that starred you read what I said?

I am not discrediting Wikileaks at all. Im saying that something is up.. The scapegoat for information is an Army PFC. Noone without a rank of AT LEAST Major or ABOVE has access to all the information released, period.

Not true. If the brass decides that a Private, First Class needs a TS to accomplish his duty, they'll break out the SF-86's and have investigators affiliated with OPM start a background investigation. Clearance is on a need-to-know basis.