reply to post by bogomil
Actually I read the whole post starting from the OP. I apologize about the 50,000 comment towards Y2KJMan as it should have been to you.
So when I say it is a trap but when you are saying your opinion it is reason and logic and not a trap?
No, I didn't miss it, but I can't see how this relates to christianity's killing millions before modern science was even thought of, or how 'science'
was brought into it all. Except ofcourse, that you by misquoting me wanted to score a debate point. You certainly are a very clever person, who can
make such elegant traps.
You can't see how Christians murdering relates to tools designed by science to harness our ability to murder? I am not saying Christian past is all
glory and no regrets, at all. In fact, I claim the opposite. I condemn those murders and if I was there I would have been against them. But through
their mistakes many people evolved for the better. not everyone, but many.
A lot of Christians are against the wars being waged by the world against Afghanistan and Iraq.
I said in my post to Y2KJMan thusly: " Seen from a rational and logical perspective, your (religious) beliefs ARE undoubtly inferior to secular ones."
I didn't especially point to science, because I find the 'satanic science' debate rather moronic.
But I'll still stay with my opinion, that christian beliefs are inferior in a RATIONAL and LOGIC perspective. You get it this time? (In case this is
beyond you, what's rational about a 6.000 year old geocentric universe????)
Okay. I never ones mentioned satanic science, that is just you trying to paint a biased opinion on all of us. 6,000 year old geocentric universe?
Since when did I mention the world was 6,000 year old? Again you have painted me with biased before you knew my stance on my belief. You think
Christian is someone who always holds true to creationism and the old testament of women are not equal. I am the opposite, I think everyone is equal.
We must change with the times but we must maintain our love for one another and for God.
That is my stance. Nowhere did I write that I believe in creationism. I would also like to add that many people I know don't believe in creationism.
They respect the idea but when it comes down to it they have no comment on evolution or creationism.
I actually don't agree with creationism being taught in the school system at all. It should be taught as a myth and a myth only.
Furthermore you enlightened us:
"It isn't a smokescreen it is the truth. Jesus said:..........."
You really so bad off, that you don't know what circle-argumentation IS? Sorry, I'll not even try to waste my time on explaining it to you. For
further communication I can cite any old holy book of my choice and you can use your book. An approach which certainly will commend christianity to
non-believers, who only are waiting for a chance to be saved through listening to a selfcontradictory bunch of non-sense which is true, because it
says it's true.
Well than you disagree with that quote? You are right I don't know what circle-augmentation is and if you don't want to explain what it is than don't
bring it up. The quote simply describes that you shouldn't be a hypocrite. You are pointing fallacies in my argument when your has fallacies as well.
That was all I was saying. Yet you come in here and say your all WRONG! Christianity is EVIL! Christianity will destroy the world!
Tell me if you agree or disagree. Most, if not all, atheists who ruled, ruled with an iron fist.
"They" (=liberals) don't hold ultimate power. That's the whole idea of liberalism. Whereas ultimate power is the political system examplified by all
fascists ideologies (amongst them christian theocracy).
Your further comments about individual spirituality I can ofcourse only agree with. That's part of the inclusive liberal system, but if you had read
this thread from the start, instead of jumping in somewhere from halfread posts, you would have noticed, that the OP topic was about social contexts
and social consequences of christian missionary or invasive attitudes. Not your personal spiritual life, which may be interesting for some people, but
not for me as a posting opponent.
I am glad we can agree on something.
edit on 28-11-2010 by Equinox99 because: typo
edit on 28-11-2010 by Equinox99 because: sorry re-read part about 6,000 beyond