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Originally posted by The Chez
Ok this might sound a bit childish, but the other day we saw the new Harry Potter movie at the cinema. I really enjoyed it as I have seen the movies from day one.
In this one I just happened to pay attention to something, the logo for the 'ministry of magic' which is the magic kingdom's government in the story, has a logo, and it looked very familier. Once I got home I gave it some closer scrutany, and came up with this:
Ministry of Magic logo:
The freemasonry symbol:
Originally posted by muzzleflash
I was only half interested till I saw the over - the - top backlash and attacks made at the OP.
The way they totally dismiss the claims automatically without even giving it a second thought.
That is what got me interested in the thread. It seemed, out of place really.
Had the reaction of been more toned down, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.
But now I am intrigued.
Harry Potter is packed full of symbolism, and is a perfect venue to plant ideas into the mainstream.
So yes, I do agree that the movie does appear to have hidden ulterior motives.
There are many secret societies or orders, so it would be difficult to just jump to the Masons off hand. Though I won't dismiss it entirely especially considering the way people scream up and down how you are not suppose to think dirty thoughts about them. It's just super suspicious.
It definately has intrigue.
Thanks for sharing your theory about that movie. It goes to show you how easy it is to find symbolisms, subliminal messages, political agendas, etc in TV/movies/music.
Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by wcitizen
Yet to see proof that it is either, an for some people making accusations due simply to suspicion is a indicator of paranoia.
An example of your statements would be the classic "When did you stop beating your wife?"
1. Please show me where I am making an accusation.
They use very familiar tactics - proof, proof, proof. I have yet to see any proof that many areas of Freemasonry is not rife with corruption....
2. "When did you stop beating your wife?" Only illustrates the point you think you are making IF there is no pre-existing knowledge that wife-beating had previously taken place. If such pre-existing knowledge does in fact exist, the question is perfectly valid. In this case, many statements have been made by ex-Masons about their experience of corruption and downright evil in Freemasonry.
In a Court of Law situation, as you will be aware, such witness statements would be considered valid evidence as opposed to simple denials.
I am suspicious of a certain state of mind by someone who must be aware that such statements exist, but simply pile in with blanket denial, or with demands for the kind of proof they know would simply not be available. I'm afraid to me this is redolent of 'cult' attitudes.
It is pretty much impossible for any mason to know everything that goes on in all the various 'lodges' and 'rites', subs-sections and branches within Freemsasonry because of the structures of the FM organisation itself, and because of its rules and regulations and levels of secrecy and oaths of loyalty relative to all the many sections, subsections, branches, etc.
There is plenty of evidence available through a simple google search, should you wish, that there are corrupt individual Freemasons, corrupt groups of Freemasons and there are testimonies from previous members that very serious corruption exists in some parts of Freemasonry.