posted on Jul, 3 2004 @ 11:28 AM
In the King James version of the socalled Hebrew Bible (OT), the term THE LORD is the way the court of King James I in 1611 translated the term YHWH
(Yahweh) when they came across it in the Masoretic version of the text they were consuilting, following the custom of the Greek LXX (Septuaginta) who
used "Kurios" ("lord") most of the time except in Exodus chapter 3 (Burning Bush Narrative) where (Iaue) was used.
When they came across ELOHIM the 1611 English translational team in London wrote the word "God".
They had trouble when they came to the word ELOAH in the strange poetical sections of the book of Job (chapters 3 to 42) so they settled just for
plain old "God".
When the translators came to El-Shaddai or El-Elyon in Exodus chapter 3, they used other names like God Almighty etc.
All of this masks the fact that many different gods were originally worshipped by "Jews" in pre-Exilic times (i.e. before 587BC)
Either way, it is confusing people on this thread when people use the term "GOD" always to refer to Yahweh, the vicious clan god of Israel.
Please do not refer to GOD as GOD, but name the god you are talking about. If it is the "god of the post Exilic Israelites" then the name is Yahweh
(or YHWH, since Paleo Hebrew lacks vowels for the most part). If it another god (e.g. Allah, Brama, Shiva, Amon-Ra etal. ) please say so by NAME.
In other words, use the "proper" name when referring to "god" so we won't think you're talking about Dionysius or something.
The "clan god" worshipped by R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean ("Jeeeezuzzz") was of course Yahweh, and most of the references to "the god of
Israel" in post Exilic Judaeistic texts was edited down to refer only to Yahweh and no other deities:
Deuteronomy chapter 6:4 the socalled Shema'q is written in late Hebrew, i.e. after 480 BC and is correctly translated as:
"Hear O Israel, Yahweh is our clan-god. Yahweh alone"
(some translations of the Shema'q mangle the meaning in English (e.g. KJV) to as to appear not so overtly Zionist or "clannish" in tone: e.g.
"Hear O Israel, THE LORD our GOD the LORD is one" or other such ungrammatical nonsense.)
At any rate, when referring to "god" in this thread, if you are referring to the brutal, sexist, racist, temperamental, inconsistent and
war-mongering-genocidal maniac god YHWH (as this clan god is depicted in the Torah and other places in the Hebrew scriptures) , then please use one of
the following terms so we will know which god you mean:
l. Yahweh the clan-god of Israel
2. YHWH, the god of the "Jews"
3. YHWH (or "Yahweh") the god of the Bible
4. Yahweh, the god of Jesus
5. The Jewish god
6. The Hebrew god (or god of the Hebrews) as in Exodus 5:3
Avoid the misnomer "Jehovah" if you can, since it makes little sense for us in the West these days to have the vowels of "edonai" (my Lord) placed
into YHWH just to make a name up.
In other words, 90% of the world does not believe that the pernicious clan god of the "bible" is universal or relevant today, so if you are talking
about the god of the "bible", then please use what later became his proper name after 480 BC.
Before 480 BC, the Israelites worshipped a whole slough of other gods (e.g. Dagon, Chemosh, all the Baals, Asherah, Nebo etc.) but when the exiled
priests came back from Babylon, they forced Yahwism on the people, and then had the "old testament" set in writing and heavilly re-edited most of
it to fit into their new "Yahwistic" theology, including some of the psalms (e.g. psalm 29) which were originally Psalms to the god Baal.
Just try to be a little more accurate so we can address these points with more precision, is all.